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[Porkie]

[nono]

[andyrs500]

top quality fabrication!!! simply amazing!!!!

[AlanN]

Absolutely fantastic work as usual, fancy popping over here to me a hand.

[Twellsie]

Originally Posted by Zzz...Zzz

Of course there will be some load on it,but as Stevie points out, not that much, and definately not as much as a PAS pump.

But if this weld let´s go, i will be very surprised.

The welding was done with a very powerful and very exotic micro-tig(virtually impossible to do this job with a normal one due to limitied space), standing alongside the tools and equipment used to service the norwegian air force´s F16´s

The F16 materials expert did not have any concerns in regard to this weld, and frankly, then neither do I :P

But Tewllsie, IF if breaks, you´ll be the first to know, and you can have the pleasure of saying : "Told ya"

And i see your point, as this is stuff one should take into consideration!

I would never want to be proven right in a situation like this, having worked with aircraft my self for many years, i am very aware of mismatched materials and would hate for this to cause any failure.

is the pulley section (the bit thats welded to the turned part) cast? as it looks to be from the picture?

[Zzz...Zzz]

Originally Posted by Twellsie

I would never want to be proven right in a situation like this, having worked with aircraft my self for many years, i am very aware of mismatched materials and would hate for this to cause any failure.

is the pulley section (the bit thats welded to the turned part) cast? as it looks to be from the picture?

Thanks for the feedback mate, i will give it a more thorough look in the coming week.
Quite frankly i don´t know/remember if it´s cast or not.
On the other hand, it is no problem to drill a hole in the senter og it and tap it, then i can secure it with a bolt and locktite.

[Jimbo.]

I check this thread all the time for updates and it never dissapoints!

Incredible

[focusjames]

just read this for the first time and WOW simply awesome

[COLEYST200]

stunning mate just stunning

[Glenn.]

Its getting there now.It looks mint.

[mercgrey]

amazing stuff mate, just reads the whole thread! i wouldnt of thought the weling would cause any problems mate altho id of bored out the small pully and made it a press fit on the steel part and welded the front face, or keywayed it and made a cap and bolted it on for ease of removal/replacing

[madmanx]

HELT RĹTT!! Gleder meg til ĺ se den pĺ Rudskogen etterhvert

[czechmike]

amazing work there .!! looking forward to see it on the rollers ...)

[Joshy]

:cont ent: WOW!

[fezzajsy]

very nice

[prasac]

some great work there. i'm doing something similar in Australia, a 4.6L Twin GT42's, good to see what power she makes with the GT40's.

[andy escos]

Originally Posted by prasac

some great work there. i'm doing something similar in Australia, a 4.6L Twin GT42's, good to see what power she makes with the GT40's.

engine looks mad what car & what engine you using

[COCHYN]

Mental car, any updates???

[prasac]

Originally Posted by andy escos

engine looks mad what car & what engine you using

thanx, this is in a full tube chassis drag car, has a 1991 Dodge Daytona shell, i will however be putting this in a 1969 Ford Capri to drive around on the streets in a few months when the good 2500hp 4.6 is done. i am using the 1997 Ford Mustang Cobra 4.6L almost exactly the same as the Koeni engine.

[Zzz...Zzz]

Originally Posted by prasac

thanx, this is in a full tube chassis drag car, has a 1991 Dodge Daytona shell, i will however be putting this in a 1969 Ford Capri to drive around on the streets in a few months when the good 2500hp 4.6 is done. i am using the 1997 Ford Mustang Cobra 4.6L almost exactly the same as the Koeni engine.

Nice,and good luck finishing it up

I dont think 2500hp is a problem either, altough i think you are pushing the good and stable working envelope of the engine at theese levels, and you get crazy amounts of drive line splattering torque.....that is why i kept mine at 4.7liter and don't go for even larger turbos at this state.
Fuel delivery/capasity is also an issue, as fuel need at theese power levels are mental, and especially for me who need to deliver 30-40% more fuel at all times due to E85 beeing the main fuel.

I assume you have done some serious work with the heads? And i hope you are using Type B heads as theese actually make the best founadtion for a race head , despite the uncommon and odd looking solution of the inlet ports...
They have an absolutely mental potential over stock when ported right, we achieved some really crazy flow numbers on my heads - thanks again to SWR!

This is not almost the same as the Koenigsegg, it IS the same.
Only exception is the latest CCXR wich uses a slightly lighter block that is not a ford production block. They kinda had to, as the teksid block(Teksid is a eurpoean factory where ferrari and ford made they're baddest alu blocks together) became obsolte because it was to expensive to use on regular road cars for ford.
I know this bcos I know the company that makes the block for koenigsegg.


Fast update on my project is :
Hoping to start my engine in about 4 weeks

[daviddunlop83]

Looks awesome project.

[LINCOLN]

Originally Posted by prasac

thanx, this is in a full tube chassis drag car, has a 1991 Dodge Daytona shell, i will however be putting this in a 1969 Ford Capri to drive around on the streets in a few months when the good 2500hp 4.6 is done. i am using the 1997 Ford Mustang Cobra 4.6L almost exactly the same as the Koeni engine.

Have seen your car in Zoom mag. Well done!

[LINCOLN]

And to Zzz sorry for any disrepect on reply to your thread but have said before and again - awesome!

[Zzz...Zzz]

Originally Posted by LINCOLN

And to Zzz sorry for any disrepect on reply to your thread but have said before and again - awesome!

Don't mention it!! =)


Thanks =)

[andym209]

fair play looks the bollocks

[749steve]

this car was mentioned in quenten wilsons bit it the paper yesterday

[stu21t]

what paper?
got any links?

[Munch]

Awesome

[prasac]

Originally Posted by Zzz...Zzz

Nice,and good luck finishing it up

I dont think 2500hp is a problem either, altough i think you are pushing the good and stable working envelope of the engine at theese levels, and you get crazy amounts of drive line splattering torque.....that is why i kept mine at 4.7liter and don't go for even larger turbos at this state.
Fuel delivery/capasity is also an issue, as fuel need at theese power levels are mental, and especially for me who need to deliver 30-40% more fuel at all times due to E85 beeing the main fuel.

I assume you have done some serious work with the heads? And i hope you are using Type B heads as theese actually make the best founadtion for a race head , despite the uncommon and odd looking solution of the inlet ports...
They have an absolutely mental potential over stock when ported right, we achieved some really crazy flow numbers on my heads - thanks again to SWR!

This is not almost the same as the Koenigsegg, it IS the same.
Only exception is the latest CCXR wich uses a slightly lighter block that is not a ford production block. They kinda had to, as the teksid block(Teksid is a eurpoean factory where ferrari and ford made they're baddest alu blocks together) became obsolte because it was to expensive to use on regular road cars for ford.
I know this bcos I know the company that makes the block for koenigsegg.


Fast update on my project is :
Hoping to start my engine in about 4 weeks

i thought the Koeni engine was .020'' over bore, i just kept it standard. i am using the 'B' heads for this engine however i will be switching to the GT Supercar heads with the new engine at the moment it is making 200hp more than the 'B' heads though they are doing more R&D in the US especially on the valve seat, i have been fortunate and a couple of the big boys in modular engines in the US have helped me. the port job on them is not too crazy, with the heads it's more about how the air flows thru it then how big it is, it flows 314cfm@.500'' lift, the efficiency is over 85% in the intake and 95% on the exhaust. twin 78mm turbo's would more than likely be the limit for us, Mihovetz just stepped up to twin 80's after years of 78mm's, he should be running 6.20's this year with the mod 4.6. the Teksid is a great block however so are all the Ford alu blocks you will find the other blocks are just as strong also, however Teksid is usually the block of choice. i am running the Aeromotive fuel pump looks to be the same as yours, i am on methanol so i may need to step it up to the 2500hp one if the 1800hp can't do it. hopefully 6-8 weeks i will have mine on the dyno.

LINCOLN yeah mate it was in Zoom mag

[Zzz...Zzz]

Originally Posted by 749steve

this car was mentioned in quenten wilsons bit it the paper yesterday

?? tell me more? :P

[Zzz...Zzz]

Originally Posted by prasac

i thought the Koeni engine was .020'' over bore, i just kept it standard. i am using the 'B' heads for this engine however i will be switching to the GT Supercar heads with the new engine at the moment it is making 200hp more than the 'B' heads though they are doing more R&D in the US especially on the valve seat, i have been fortunate and a couple of the big boys in modular engines in the US have helped me. the port job on them is not too crazy, with the heads it's more about how the air flows thru it then how big it is, it flows 314cfm@.500'' lift, the efficiency is over 85% in the intake and 95% on the exhaust. twin 78mm turbo's would more than likely be the limit for us, Mihovetz just stepped up to twin 80's after years of 78mm's, he should be running 6.20's this year with the mod 4.6. the Teksid is a great block however so are all the Ford alu blocks you will find the other blocks are just as strong also, however Teksid is usually the block of choice. i am running the Aeromotive fuel pump looks to be the same as yours, i am on methanol so i may need to step it up to the 2500hp one if the 1800hp can't do it. hopefully 6-8 weeks i will have mine on the dyno.
LINCOLN yeah mate it was in Zoom mag

That's true, but i dont feel like that an overbore makes it a different engine.. the koeni displaces 4.7 litres instead of the normal 4.6 as ford uses.
That probaly is a good head for shure, but i have so many b heads that it will be my platform for a long time.
Yes I know, porting is not about getting away as much material as possible but more about dynamics, turbulence and how the gasses flow trough inlet and head as a whole - nice flow number you have there! We are a little more stubborn over here and don't get help from anyone abroad as of yet anyway Thus doing all from scratch.
The heds should not be a limiting factor in making ALOT more than 2000hp on my engine, but for a street car i feel we are pushing towards far too much power already so wha we did was to make a package that produces good power trough the rev range and we have done a lot of work reducing engine torque.I wanted it to be "drivable" , but we'll just have to see how we have succeeded when we get to start testing it, looking forward to that

True, all of tha for alu blocks are good, but the teksid one is has the best actually proven performance so far.
Koeni really just needed a lighter block, AND smth to differentiate them a little from ford, so that's why the CCXR got a new one i guess, as you also point out, the ford alu blocks are more than good enough for most reachable power levels.
Keep us posted, i have some doubts that the pump I(and you have) will support 2500 methanol horses, but there is a dedicated methanol pump from aeromotive that support 6000hp, this one wil remedy this, IF it should be a problem
Methanol is a great fuel, just too bad it takes double the amount of normal fuel...
What Compression are you using on yours?

[prasac]

i will try the 1800hp methanol for now, we made the fittings big enough when we go up, i was going to run gasoline C16 before, my comp is only 9.5:1 but with the methanol i will get the comp up to more like 11:1. i will be running E85 on the street. the 'B' heads are cheap and so easy to do, im not too stubborn i am using the Injector Dynamics ID2000 i have 16 of them so the fuel supply shouldn't be a problem for now. as i tel people a street driven 4.6 has to be totally different to a drag one, we will cross the bridge when we get to it, only a couple of these engines have ever been done in Australia and most only to 1000hp so we will see how we go, we have studied the engines a bit as their alot of problems that can arise if its not done properly, like thrust bearing failures etc

[Zzz...Zzz]

Originally Posted by prasac

i will try the 1800hp methanol for now, we made the fittings big enough when we go up, i was going to run gasoline C16 before, my comp is only 9.5:1 but with the methanol i will get the comp up to more like 11:1. i will be running E85 on the street. the 'B' heads are cheap and so easy to do, im not too stubborn i am using the Injector Dynamics ID2000 i have 16 of them so the fuel supply shouldn't be a problem for now. as i tel people a street driven 4.6 has to be totally different to a drag one, we will cross the bridge when we get to it, only a couple of these engines have ever been done in Australia and most only to 1000hp so we will see how we go, we have studied the engines a bit as their alot of problems that can arise if its not done properly, like thrust bearing failures etc

9.5:1 is a decent cr/ratio, even tough it doesent mean much in the real world , as the cams and setting of those dictate what the actual cr/ ratio will be.
Mine is also 9.5:1. With ethanol more of everything is always better


I saw your manifold, looks really nice!did you flow test the manifold WITH the heads bolted together? You might get a surprise when you do(hopefully not)
SWR is soon posting som pics of the manifold we(he!!)made for my engine, based on a 97 cobra intake.
But with fuel delivery I ment it is more a question of what the pump i capable of, crazy amounts of flow we are talking about here!!

Yes thats right, big difference on a dedicated drag engine than a "street" engine, but your build really looks the works!!
ALL fabrication really looks professional , love it!
We also did some adoptions towards making it more streetable, one example is the exhaust cams, wich have more duration than the inlet ones - and old saab trick that we hope(pretty shure!) works as expected.

Thrust bearing failure is definately something to worry about on your drag engine, very tough loads on it while staging in... even though mine wont se excactly those loads(because of no converter and transbrake) at the thrust bearing, we made several improvements to them, and as you point out there are a few other things to also take into considertation when pushing it this far. But I feel we have taken care of everything we should actually, lets just see how it performs now

[Zzz...Zzz]

nothing new really, got some pictures a mate took with some decent camara a while ago but i kinda like theese pictures







hahaha, and me strugglig with a hose and a fitting lol




Okay, then I am off to the workshop again....

[749steve]

Originally Posted by Zzz...Zzz

?? tell me more? :P

it was in the "sunday mirror" motoring section
little write up about what you are doing and a picture of your car

[prasac]

Originally Posted by 749steve

it was in the "sunday mirror" motoring section
little write up about what you are doing and a picture of your car

it's great to see people embracing these style of engines. coming from Australia we are maybe the most diehard V8 fans, but most of the people love the dinosaur engines (pushrod etc), NA or blown, like they say here 'if ya not blown, ya not known' we have the quickest Rotary and 2JZ turbo cars in the world here, but we are behind with turbo V8's our quickest running 6.60 which is quick but slow considering our 6-cyl cars run 6.40's and Rotaries 6.7's. last few years turbo cars are coming hard and fast but not so much the quad cam DOHC stuff, people here love the push-rod engine and think of our engines as Jap Crap they just don't realise the potential of these engines but that is changing. we don't get the 4.6 in Australia only the 5.4L and some really quick mod 5.4's are being built now. im sure ZZZ will confirm making 14-1500hp with these engines is extremely easy and quite cheap.

ZZZ...ZZZ what transmission are you running? i thought you might have been going auto.

[stevieturbo]

I believe he's keeping all options open.

TKO 600 for the manual, and the option of an auto for drag racing.

[Hobomassiv]

Originally Posted by Zzz...Zzz

?? tell me more? :P

Quentin Wilson used to be a presenter on top gear back in teh day IIRC and now he has a double page motoring column in every friday Mirror newspaper.

I spotted it in there but assumed that someone would have posted up already!

Its a pisser i threw it away as well because im at work and could have scanned it in.

It said somehting along the lines of 1500bhp Koenigsegg engine 'and he has a passion for fords'

[prasac]

geezus, what sort of power can those tremec boxes take? a nice Powerglide or TH400 would look good under there