German Escort MK3 Cosworth 4x4 - OUTSIDE painted!!! - Page 4

BillyCabrio · 22-03-2008, 11:10 AM

Amazing work Cyril, as Kelv said your preperation is outstanding!!

As the saying goes, measure twice - cut once!

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COLEYST200 · 25-03-2008, 06:02 PM

did you do any work on the car over the weekend . i think if you stick at it it might just work

Kiesi · 25-03-2008, 06:19 PM

he told us in another forum that he didn't do anything on the car this weekend because a good friend of him need the place to paint his Hyundai

andyt · 25-03-2008, 06:34 PM

i am stunned reading this thread

i take my hat off to you Cyril, the workmanship going into this is truly amazing and i cant wait for the next up date

Cyril Sneer · 25-03-2008, 11:19 PM

Thanx Billy and Andy...

Kiesi is right... this and next weekend we are painting two cars... so I am sorry that the next update follow in 2 weeks...

But this gives me the time to think about the upcoming work... There are so many details where I have to make my thoughts...

I'll keep you informed!

crashley · 28-03-2008, 12:19 AM

awsome work fella looks you know youre shit are u going to put a roll cage in it

Cyril Sneer · 28-03-2008, 10:32 AM

Thanx mate...

yeah... I ordered a Wiechers rollcage and should arrive in the next 2 or 3 weeks. I also ordered a stack display and a few other goodies...

Can't wait to hold the parts in my hands...

Remko GT · 28-03-2008, 12:42 PM

cool project

2 questions:
1st being over 20 years old, isn't the mkIII TuV exempt? Meaning you can basically do what you like?
2nd I see you used a 4x4 estate. The semi-trailing arms shock lowermount on an estate is very different to the lowermount Sapph/Hatch Sierra's. How have you solved that?

Cyril Sneer · 28-03-2008, 01:37 PM

Hey Remko...

no... it doesn't matter how old a car is... every technical change on a car must be checked by the TÜV...

Concerning the semi-trailing arm... I put in just for testing the complete axles, beams and stabilisators... and everything fits perfectly... At this point I can't tell you what should be different...
Maybe, the 2WD ist diffirent to the 4WD... I took a 4WD estate...

Cyril Sneer · 04-04-2008, 01:17 PM

little parts update:

Bosch 023 Intank fuel pump and Stack display just arrived...

The 044 fuel pump and rollcage should arrive next week...

Spammage · 04-04-2008, 02:26 PM

Not pretty but very very functional!!! Good work chap!!

Rides · 04-04-2008, 02:55 PM

Wholey shit...Fantastic JOB.... will be one hell of a wicked motor when it's done..keep it coming

MARCOSWORTH · 05-04-2008, 04:32 PM

That's one hell of a project Cyril,respect to you

Viel Glück dabei

Cyril Sneer · 08-04-2008, 03:44 PM

Thanx alot guys... I try to do my best... at this point, I stoped working on the shell... The front part is nearly ready for welding.
But the rear axle causes some problems... I already have a solution, but before I continue, I have to talk with my TÜV engeneer... Some major modifications are necessary... He will hopefully come next week, so meanwhile I will continue on putting the Sierra bonnet vents into the MK3 bonnet...

This arrived today...

blacky. · 08-04-2008, 07:00 PM

whats the problem with the back axle ?????

are you not useing the sierra one????

jacko · 08-04-2008, 08:51 PM

because of where the rear seat is in the escort the rear beam is firther back which makes the wheels sit further back

Cyril Sneer · 08-04-2008, 09:44 PM

no... that's not the problem jacko...

The rear beam is quite wide... and I have to cut a little bit out of the sill (is it the right word???)
From the technical side it's not a problem, but before I start to modify it, I have to talk with my TÜV engeneer...

for those people, who didn't know what the German TÜV is, just have a look at the following link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TÜV

Every part of the car, where I am going to weld, has to be discussed before with the engeneer... That's the only way to build up a road legal car...

mk3cosworth · 08-04-2008, 10:40 PM

cyrill my axle has has about 6mm cut off each end and the floor has been noched out on the sills, but i see your problem with the tuv

Cyril Sneer · 08-04-2008, 11:09 PM

Yeah Wenny.... That's what I thought also... to cut each end as much as possible and to notch a little bit the sill... BUT: as the sill also acts as a kind of longitudinal chassis beam, it must be discussed before... But I think it should be nor problem, as it is quite at the end of the sill... you know what I'm talking about Wenny

mk3cosworth · 08-04-2008, 11:19 PM

yes mate i know what you mean, mine has like a sqaure section on each side

MARCOSWORTH · 09-04-2008, 06:04 AM

Better save than sorry

Dan · 09-04-2008, 10:23 AM

Cracking work!

Spammage · 09-04-2008, 11:06 AM

Hope it goes all right with the engineer. Again this is going to be an amazing car!!!

Remko GT · 09-04-2008, 11:52 AM

No difference between 4x4 and 2wd estates. Rear trailing arms are all the same on ALL estates. But they're different from Sapph/Hatch trailing arms because of the way the shock is fitted to the trailing arm. Compare this one to the one you used:

You can see the shock mount all the way to the back unlike on an estate.
The carriers are all the same so you can swap trailing arms easy enough.

Cyril Sneer · 09-04-2008, 03:13 PM

ahh, ok... now I know what you mean...

Just the front part is from the estate... the rear axle is from the Saph, with the shocks fitted on the rear... so everything should work fine

webby80 · 09-04-2008, 04:00 PM

top project mate looks the bollocks

blacky. · 10-04-2008, 09:04 PM

ye i see what you mean now

you can just about see on the bottom of the pic were wennys car has been altered to get the axle to fit

jacko · 10-04-2008, 09:10 PM

mine has the same cut out to so does daves s1 4x4 just didnt think that would be a problem but you lot have some funny laws you could always put a wrc rear in then you wouldnt even need to remove the rear boot floor at all

mk3cosworth · 10-04-2008, 09:36 PM

wrc money tho lol

Cyril Sneer · 10-04-2008, 10:55 PM

Yeah... quite expensive... Let's wait what my TÜV engeneer will say...

XR2 · 10-04-2008, 11:00 PM

I think you've seen Werner - Beinhart

I think he will say: "Wolln sie mich verschaukeln?" first,
then he will say: "Und das soll ich ihnen abnehmen?"
and then: "Cosworth, Cosworth, so'n Humbug, hau'n sie ab mann!"
and at last he might say: "Schluß jetzt mit dem Zirkus, verlassen sie augenblicklich das Gelände!!!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BxsNp6SbS8

Rab · 10-04-2008, 11:39 PM

I just had to post this, as I've been racking my brains trying to think who Cyril Sneer was....

And then I remembered!

mk3cosworth · 11-04-2008, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XR2

I think you've seen Werner - Beinhart

I think he will say: "Wolln sie mich verschaukeln?" first,
then he will say: "Und das soll ich ihnen abnehmen?"
and then: "Cosworth, Cosworth, so'n Humbug, hau'n sie ab mann!"
and at last he might say: "Schluß jetzt mit dem Zirkus, verlassen sie augenblicklich das Gelände!!!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BxsNp6SbS8

speak english boy lol

NATH-RSZT · 11-04-2008, 09:20 AM

Theres always great progress everytime i look any news with the TUV.

Nath

Cyril Sneer · 11-04-2008, 10:56 AM

@XR2: I hope not

But I'm quite confident that he will give his ok...

He already inspected the car and the way to build in the cossi parts a few months ago... before I started the conversion...

Yeah Rab: That's Cyril Sneer :-D My first name ist Cyril... so all my friends just call me Sneer... But believe me: My nose looks much better :-D

XR2 · 11-04-2008, 11:14 AM

Professional work, a clean car, no problems with the standard things like brakes, lights etc. help a lot to legalize modifications. And being polite is always useful

Never had any big problems with the TÜV. But I'm looking forward to hear what they think of our trijekt injection

jacko · 11-04-2008, 02:25 PM

dont mean use gen wrc stuff just build your own like a zoo one or ag has on his new focus its just a way of mounting it and with much better waight saving and adjustmant

Cyril Sneer · 11-04-2008, 02:43 PM

Yeah Jacko... I know what you mean... but also this kind of solution must be discussed with the engeneer... we will see...

Rab · 12-04-2008, 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyril Sneer

Yeah Rab: That's Cyril Sneer :-D My first name ist Cyril... so all my friends just call me Sneer... But believe me: My nose looks much better :-D

LOL

I'm glad your nose is better. I'm also glad your engineering is as good as your nasal attractiveness

NEEDFORSPEED · 12-04-2008, 09:13 AM

awsome project mate keep the pics comeing!!

25-03-2008, 06:02 PM	#122
COLEYST200 PassionFord Post Whore!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (3) Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Birmingham Posts: 5,894 Rep Power: 10	did you do any work on the car over the weekend . i think if you stick at it it might just work __________________ Birmingham group Click here to take a look at my three door project.

25-03-2008, 06:34 PM	#124
andyt PassionFord Post Whore!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cumbria Posts: 4,049 Rep Power: 12	i am stunned reading this thread i take my hat off to you Cyril, the workmanship going into this is truly amazing and i cant wait for the next up date __________________ octavia Vrs now sold, Fabia Vrs in its place MK 2 Focus rs or New transporter sportline???

25-03-2008, 11:19 PM	#125
Cyril Sneer Regular Contributor Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Düsseldorf / Germany Posts: 206 Rep Power: 5	Thanx Billy and Andy... Kiesi is right... this and next weekend we are painting two cars... so I am sorry that the next update follow in 2 weeks... But this gives me the time to think about the upcoming work... There are so many details where I have to make my thoughts... I'll keep you informed! __________________ Escort MK3 Cosworth 4x4 - the construction

28-03-2008, 12:19 AM	#126
crashley I'm Finding My Feet Here Now Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: CHALFONT Posts: 102 Rep Power: 5	rs awsome work fella looks you know youre shit are u going to put a roll cage in it

28-03-2008, 10:32 AM	#127
Cyril Sneer Regular Contributor Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Düsseldorf / Germany Posts: 206 Rep Power: 5	Thanx mate... yeah... I ordered a Wiechers rollcage and should arrive in the next 2 or 3 weeks. I also ordered a stack display and a few other goodies... Can't wait to hold the parts in my hands... __________________ Escort MK3 Cosworth 4x4 - the construction

25-03-2008, 06:19 PM	#123
Kiesi 15000 Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 25 Rep Power: 0	he told us in another forum that he didn't do anything on the car this weekend because a good friend of him need the place to paint his Hyundai

28-03-2008, 12:42 PM	#128
Remko GT Regular Contributor Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 283 Rep Power: 5	cool project 2 questions: 1st being over 20 years old, isn't the mkIII TuV exempt? Meaning you can basically do what you like? 2nd I see you used a 4x4 estate. The semi-trailing arms shock lowermount on an estate is very different to the lowermount Sapph/Hatch Sierra's. How have you solved that? __________________ Sierra's do it sideways! 250hp N/A 24v Cossie in the making

28-03-2008, 01:37 PM	#129
Cyril Sneer Regular Contributor Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Düsseldorf / Germany Posts: 206 Rep Power: 5	Hey Remko... no... it doesn't matter how old a car is... every technical change on a car must be checked by the TÜV... Concerning the semi-trailing arm... I put in just for testing the complete axles, beams and stabilisators... and everything fits perfectly... At this point I can't tell you what should be different... Maybe, the 2WD ist diffirent to the 4WD... I took a 4WD estate... __________________ Escort MK3 Cosworth 4x4 - the construction

04-04-2008, 01:17 PM	#130
Cyril Sneer Regular Contributor Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Düsseldorf / Germany Posts: 206 Rep Power: 5	little parts update: Bosch 023 Intank fuel pump and Stack display just arrived... The 044 fuel pump and rollcage should arrive next week... __________________ Escort MK3 Cosworth 4x4 - the construction

04-04-2008, 02:26 PM	#131
Spammage Regular Contributor Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Southend On Sea Posts: 315 Rep Power: 5	Not pretty but very very functional!!! Good work chap!! __________________

04-04-2008, 02:55 PM	#132
Rides Too many posts.. I need a life!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Newcastle upon tyne Posts: 553 Rep Power: 6	Wholey shit...Fantastic JOB.... will be one hell of a wicked motor when it's done..keep it coming

05-04-2008, 04:32 PM	#133
MARCOSWORTH PassionFord Post Troll Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (15) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Nederland Posts: 3,369 Rep Power: 11	That's one hell of a project Cyril,respect to you Viel Glück dabei __________________ Marco My engine rebuild & 2wd convert project

08-04-2008, 03:44 PM	#134
Cyril Sneer Regular Contributor Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Düsseldorf / Germany Posts: 206 Rep Power: 5	Thanx alot guys... I try to do my best... at this point, I stoped working on the shell... The front part is nearly ready for welding. But the rear axle causes some problems... I already have a solution, but before I continue, I have to talk with my TÜV engeneer... Some major modifications are necessary... He will hopefully come next week, so meanwhile I will continue on putting the Sierra bonnet vents into the MK3 bonnet... This arrived today... __________________ Escort MK3 Cosworth 4x4 - the construction

08-04-2008, 07:00 PM	#135
blacky. PassionFord Post Troll Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: stockton Posts: 3,106 Rep Power: 10	whats the problem with the back axle ????? are you not useing the sierra one???? __________________ nail 0-60 in 3.4 1/4 in 11.58 *its not abuse anyway you spazz*

08-04-2008, 08:51 PM	#136
jacko PassionFord Post Whore!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Middlesbrough Posts: 7,283 Rep Power: 15	because of where the rear seat is in the escort the rear beam is firther back which makes the wheels sit further back __________________ Paul Linfoot rs500 registrar questions and answers and spares 07759729390

08-04-2008, 09:44 PM	#137
Cyril Sneer Regular Contributor Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Düsseldorf / Germany Posts: 206 Rep Power: 5	no... that's not the problem jacko... The rear beam is quite wide... and I have to cut a little bit out of the sill (is it the right word???) From the technical side it's not a problem, but before I start to modify it, I have to talk with my TÜV engeneer... for those people, who didn't know what the German TÜV is, just have a look at the following link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TÜV Every part of the car, where I am going to weld, has to be discussed before with the engeneer... That's the only way to build up a road legal car... __________________ Escort MK3 Cosworth 4x4 - the construction Last edited by Cyril Sneer; 08-04-2008 at 09:46 PM.

08-04-2008, 10:40 PM	#138
mk3cosworth BANNED BANNED Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: north east, hartlepool Posts: 1,764 Rep Power: 0	cyrill my axle has has about 6mm cut off each end and the floor has been noched out on the sills, but i see your problem with the tuv

08-04-2008, 11:09 PM	#139
Cyril Sneer Regular Contributor Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Düsseldorf / Germany Posts: 206 Rep Power: 5	Yeah Wenny.... That's what I thought also... to cut each end as much as possible and to notch a little bit the sill... BUT: as the sill also acts as a kind of longitudinal chassis beam, it must be discussed before... But I think it should be nor problem, as it is quite at the end of the sill... you know what I'm talking about Wenny __________________ Escort MK3 Cosworth 4x4 - the construction

08-04-2008, 11:19 PM	#140
mk3cosworth BANNED BANNED Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: north east, hartlepool Posts: 1,764 Rep Power: 0	yes mate i know what you mean, mine has like a sqaure section on each side

09-04-2008, 06:04 AM	#141
MARCOSWORTH PassionFord Post Troll Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (15) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Nederland Posts: 3,369 Rep Power: 11	Better save than sorry __________________ Marco My engine rebuild & 2wd convert project

09-04-2008, 10:23 AM	#142
Dan 20K+ Super Poster. Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Local, when i'm home... Posts: 22,906 Rep Power: 31	Cracking work!

09-04-2008, 11:06 AM	#143
Spammage Regular Contributor Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Southend On Sea Posts: 315 Rep Power: 5	Hope it goes all right with the engineer. Again this is going to be an amazing car!!! __________________

09-04-2008, 11:52 AM	#144
Remko GT Regular Contributor Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 283 Rep Power: 5	No difference between 4x4 and 2wd estates. Rear trailing arms are all the same on ALL estates. But they're different from Sapph/Hatch trailing arms because of the way the shock is fitted to the trailing arm. Compare this one to the one you used: You can see the shock mount all the way to the back unlike on an estate. The carriers are all the same so you can swap trailing arms easy enough. __________________ Sierra's do it sideways! 250hp N/A 24v Cossie in the making

09-04-2008, 03:13 PM	#145
Cyril Sneer Regular Contributor Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Düsseldorf / Germany Posts: 206 Rep Power: 5	ahh, ok... now I know what you mean... Just the front part is from the estate... the rear axle is from the Saph, with the shocks fitted on the rear... so everything should work fine __________________ Escort MK3 Cosworth 4x4 - the construction

09-04-2008, 04:00 PM	#146
webby80 Advanced PassionFord User Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: preston Posts: 1,745 Rep Power: 8	top project mate looks the bollocks __________________ Member of the Daytime pf talk bollocks and random shite club, Ed #0.0001 1.5 bar of boost and a bucket full of torque steer

10-04-2008, 09:04 PM	#147
blacky. PassionFord Post Troll Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: stockton Posts: 3,106 Rep Power: 10	ye i see what you mean now you can just about see on the bottom of the pic were wennys car has been altered to get the axle to fit __________________ nail 0-60 in 3.4 1/4 in 11.58 *its not abuse anyway you spazz*

10-04-2008, 09:10 PM	#148
jacko PassionFord Post Whore!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Middlesbrough Posts: 7,283 Rep Power: 15	mine has the same cut out to so does daves s1 4x4 just didnt think that would be a problem but you lot have some funny laws you could always put a wrc rear in then you wouldnt even need to remove the rear boot floor at all __________________ Paul Linfoot rs500 registrar questions and answers and spares 07759729390

10-04-2008, 09:36 PM	#149
mk3cosworth BANNED BANNED Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: north east, hartlepool Posts: 1,764 Rep Power: 0	wrc money tho lol

10-04-2008, 10:55 PM	#150
Cyril Sneer Regular Contributor Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Düsseldorf / Germany Posts: 206 Rep Power: 5	Yeah... quite expensive... Let's wait what my TÜV engeneer will say... __________________ Escort MK3 Cosworth 4x4 - the construction

10-04-2008, 11:39 PM	#152
Rab Fucking superstar........ Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: May 2004 Location: Argyll.... It's lonely... Posts: 12,601 Rep Power: 20	I just had to post this, as I've been racking my brains trying to think who Cyril Sneer was.... And then I remembered! __________________

11-04-2008, 09:20 AM	#154
NATH-RSZT PassionFord Regular 1986 Ford Escort Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: kent Posts: 381 Rep Power: 5	Theres always great progress everytime i look any news with the TUV. Nath __________________ NATH. MK4 ESCORT ESTATE COMBI TDI -ISH MK3 FIESTA 1.8 ZT AUDI A6 ESTATE QUATTRO V6 TDI R33 GTST

11-04-2008, 10:56 AM	#155
Cyril Sneer Regular Contributor Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Düsseldorf / Germany Posts: 206 Rep Power: 5	@XR2: I hope not But I'm quite confident that he will give his ok... He already inspected the car and the way to build in the cossi parts a few months ago... before I started the conversion... Yeah Rab: That's Cyril Sneer :-D My first name ist Cyril... so all my friends just call me Sneer... But believe me: My nose looks much better :-D __________________ Escort MK3 Cosworth 4x4 - the construction

11-04-2008, 11:14 AM	#156
XR2 Insane Bavarian Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Upper Bavaria (GER) Posts: 1,268 Rep Power: 8	Professional work, a clean car, no problems with the standard things like brakes, lights etc. help a lot to legalize modifications. And being polite is always useful Never had any big problems with the TÜV. But I'm looking forward to hear what they think of our trijekt injection __________________ click> The story of the rebuild <click Road trip Great Britain

11-04-2008, 02:25 PM	#157
jacko PassionFord Post Whore!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Middlesbrough Posts: 7,283 Rep Power: 15	dont mean use gen wrc stuff just build your own like a zoo one or ag has on his new focus its just a way of mounting it and with much better waight saving and adjustmant __________________ Paul Linfoot rs500 registrar questions and answers and spares 07759729390

11-04-2008, 02:43 PM	#158
Cyril Sneer Regular Contributor Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Düsseldorf / Germany Posts: 206 Rep Power: 5	Yeah Jacko... I know what you mean... but also this kind of solution must be discussed with the engeneer... we will see... __________________ Escort MK3 Cosworth 4x4 - the construction