Citroen AX RWD Conversion [Spec and updated pics page 5]
01-12-2006, 12:00 PM
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Citroen AX RWD Conversion [Spec and updated pics page 5]
Hi all,
Im new to this forum so be gentle!
I first bought the AX a couple of years ago with the intention of upgrading the performance and chassis to use her for track days.
The previous owner used it for sprints and hillclimbs and was quite competitive.
The best time I got at the strip was 16..6secs with all the interior.
That was with full interior and the all alloy 1.4 citroen engine with a 38DGAS carb on it!
Heres the power curve for the engine at that time:
This engine was sold shortly afterwards and a newer 1.6 16V engine from a peugeout 106 was bought pushing out about 120 bhp. Then the strippage began!
Engine went in pretty easily:
I started tarting her up a bit inside:
I then snapped this up at a price i couldnt refuse:
Its a Rotrex Centrifugal Supercharger, works in a simialr way to a turbo with impellors etc but is driven off the crankshaft pulley. This ones rated at about 2bar absolute, not bad for the 1600cc motor. Should be seeing near 250 bhp with that set up.
I concentrated on getting the car ready for the French Car show and MOT'd so I could drive her there. It was a tight deadline but mission accomplished:
After this i episode i decided that the shell was not strong enough to take the extra power of the supercharger and decided some shell strengthening was in order.
I was recommended this place from a mate of mine who was giving me some info on mapping my engine:
http://www.awtracksport.com/products...s/rollcage.php
The car was stripped and ready for the spaceframing:
They came and took the car a couple of months ago along with a deposit to get measuring up and ordering a few bits and peices.
This is the last I saw of her:
Since I was spending all this money on getting it spaceframed I may as well add a rear diff hanger and T5 transmission tunnel if i wanted to swap to RWD at a later date. So a rear cossie axle, diff and custom prop were on cards.
A month or so went by and talking with AW and looking at the costs involved of keeping it FWD over RWD, RWD was the better option and I could flog my expensive gearbox and get a T5 Borg Warner instead.
I will using the peugeout engine I have which has been fettled and will be pushing out about 300bhp at the fly hopefully. Ill mount it the right way round and get a bellhousing made to mate it to the T5 box.
I will need the front sections of a mk2 escort to finish off the front subframe so im on the look out for mk2 quick rack steering, grp4 alloy hubs, uprights, grp 4 world cup xmember and t5 box.
Thats the plan of attack now, and the latest is that the bulkhead has been cut out and a pinto block has been positioned to take a pattern from.
More pics up next week when i pay another visit to check on the progress and give them more bread.
Im new to this forum so be gentle!
I first bought the AX a couple of years ago with the intention of upgrading the performance and chassis to use her for track days.
The previous owner used it for sprints and hillclimbs and was quite competitive.
The best time I got at the strip was 16..6secs with all the interior.
That was with full interior and the all alloy 1.4 citroen engine with a 38DGAS carb on it!
Heres the power curve for the engine at that time:
This engine was sold shortly afterwards and a newer 1.6 16V engine from a peugeout 106 was bought pushing out about 120 bhp. Then the strippage began!
Engine went in pretty easily:
I started tarting her up a bit inside:
I then snapped this up at a price i couldnt refuse:
Its a Rotrex Centrifugal Supercharger, works in a simialr way to a turbo with impellors etc but is driven off the crankshaft pulley. This ones rated at about 2bar absolute, not bad for the 1600cc motor. Should be seeing near 250 bhp with that set up.
I concentrated on getting the car ready for the French Car show and MOT'd so I could drive her there. It was a tight deadline but mission accomplished:
After this i episode i decided that the shell was not strong enough to take the extra power of the supercharger and decided some shell strengthening was in order.
I was recommended this place from a mate of mine who was giving me some info on mapping my engine:
http://www.awtracksport.com/products...s/rollcage.php
The car was stripped and ready for the spaceframing:
They came and took the car a couple of months ago along with a deposit to get measuring up and ordering a few bits and peices.
This is the last I saw of her:
Since I was spending all this money on getting it spaceframed I may as well add a rear diff hanger and T5 transmission tunnel if i wanted to swap to RWD at a later date. So a rear cossie axle, diff and custom prop were on cards.
A month or so went by and talking with AW and looking at the costs involved of keeping it FWD over RWD, RWD was the better option and I could flog my expensive gearbox and get a T5 Borg Warner instead.
I will using the peugeout engine I have which has been fettled and will be pushing out about 300bhp at the fly hopefully. Ill mount it the right way round and get a bellhousing made to mate it to the T5 box.
I will need the front sections of a mk2 escort to finish off the front subframe so im on the look out for mk2 quick rack steering, grp4 alloy hubs, uprights, grp 4 world cup xmember and t5 box.
Thats the plan of attack now, and the latest is that the bulkhead has been cut out and a pinto block has been positioned to take a pattern from.
More pics up next week when i pay another visit to check on the progress and give them more bread.
Last edited by AX Cossie; 08-07-2008 at 10:55 AM.
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01-12-2006, 06:20 PM
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thanks for the replies people,
Ill keep you updated as and when i get more updates myself. Im an ASW not one of those who keep it a secret til the end
Yes I am on the SSC, username AXGTS.
WIll be posting a thread soon for help with my shopping list for ford parts so please help me to keep the project on track.
Cheers
Taz
Ill keep you updated as and when i get more updates myself. Im an ASW not one of those who keep it a secret til the end
Yes I am on the SSC, username AXGTS.
WIll be posting a thread soon for help with my shopping list for ford parts so please help me to keep the project on track.
Cheers
Taz
02-12-2006, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by AX Cossie
thanks for the replies people,
Ill keep you updated as and when i get more updates myself. Im an ASW not one of those who keep it a secret til the end
Yes I am on the SSC, username AXGTS.
WIll be posting a thread soon for help with my shopping list for ford parts so please help me to keep the project on track.
Cheers
Taz
Ill keep you updated as and when i get more updates myself. Im an ASW not one of those who keep it a secret til the end
Yes I am on the SSC, username AXGTS.
WIll be posting a thread soon for help with my shopping list for ford parts so please help me to keep the project on track.
Cheers
Taz
28-12-2006, 12:25 PM
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Ive come to the point in the conversion where im not sure which direction to go with regards to the engine.
Hers my pros and cons of each:
C2 Engine Pros:
1) Keeps its part of PSA group
2) First ever front mounted rwd TU engine I believe
3) Light weight
4) keeps it in the 1600cc bracket for 1/4miling
5) ive spent a lot of money getting it to the state of tune its in at the mo
6) progressive power/torque with s/c
C2 Engine Cons:
1) Gonna cost 1.5k to convert to RWD format
2) Will be in a high state of tune so frequent rebuilds etc
Buying a Cossie Engine Pros:
1) More Power
2) Cheaper
3) More tuning companies
4) Fit straight in without custom mounts, bellhousings etc
Cossie Engine Cons:
1) Heavier
2) Unknown Quantity as far as my knowledge is concerned
3) Turbo Lag
4) Will be difficult to shift my C2 engine
However ive managed to flog enough of the C2 engine to go with the cossie lump now
a couple of additions to my growing parts list,
someone buy my pug/citroen/rotrex/omex bits!!!
http://www.axownersclub.com/phpBB2/v...ic.php?t=18443
Hers my pros and cons of each:
C2 Engine Pros:
1) Keeps its part of PSA group
2) First ever front mounted rwd TU engine I believe
3) Light weight
4) keeps it in the 1600cc bracket for 1/4miling
5) ive spent a lot of money getting it to the state of tune its in at the mo
6) progressive power/torque with s/c
C2 Engine Cons:
1) Gonna cost 1.5k to convert to RWD format
2) Will be in a high state of tune so frequent rebuilds etc
Buying a Cossie Engine Pros:
1) More Power
2) Cheaper
3) More tuning companies
4) Fit straight in without custom mounts, bellhousings etc
Cossie Engine Cons:
1) Heavier
2) Unknown Quantity as far as my knowledge is concerned
3) Turbo Lag
4) Will be difficult to shift my C2 engine
However ive managed to flog enough of the C2 engine to go with the cossie lump now
a couple of additions to my growing parts list,
someone buy my pug/citroen/rotrex/omex bits!!!
http://www.axownersclub.com/phpBB2/v...ic.php?t=18443
29-12-2006, 04:47 PM
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Cheers Gents
Schedule for completion:
End of Jan - rolling shell
End of Feb - Engine in and tested
Early March - Taxed tested and ready for some track day action
Ill keep up the thread with more progress pics as and when i get em
See you at a trackday in the new year
Schedule for completion:
End of Jan - rolling shell
End of Feb - Engine in and tested
Early March - Taxed tested and ready for some track day action
Ill keep up the thread with more progress pics as and when i get em
See you at a trackday in the new year
01-01-2007, 05:09 PM
#36
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cheers dudes,
heres the spec of the engine:
200 block long studded, standard bore,
all cometic gasket, Triple layer HG
Valve Cut outs in mahle pistons
Standard Compression,
BD10 and BD14 cams
Siemans injectors
T38 turbodynamics turbo
built and mapped by Steve Scott at A1 Rallye Sport
heres the spec of the engine:
200 block long studded, standard bore,
all cometic gasket, Triple layer HG
Valve Cut outs in mahle pistons
Standard Compression,
BD10 and BD14 cams
Siemans injectors
T38 turbodynamics turbo
built and mapped by Steve Scott at A1 Rallye Sport
07-01-2007, 02:37 PM
#40
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Thread Starter
Cheers,
Ive got plenty of bits to make whatever spec 106/saxo/ax you want.
Check out my listing on ebay for my rotrex supercharger and also list a lot of other bits for sale also.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...6641&rd=1&rd=1
Ive got plenty of bits to make whatever spec 106/saxo/ax you want.
Check out my listing on ebay for my rotrex supercharger and also list a lot of other bits for sale also.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...6641&rd=1&rd=1