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Old 21-10-2015, 06:42 PM
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Default 978bhp/773ft-lb M.A.Developments engine.

Alongside the development of my engine Markis doing a similar Spec with the Evo engine. Last Saturday he rang me to say ithad made 931bhp/740ft-lb torque at 3bar of boost the fuel used was 109. FTWfuel was not used because the car ran out of Fuel Pump capacity. The mods toimprove the head gasket integrity I have on mine also worked with no head lift orloss of water. Having studied the DataMark decided the 109 was not maxed out so he wanted another crack.
Today Mark was back with the EVO to totallymax out 109 ron race fuel. He added as much ignition as possible & ran asweak as was safe & made (wait for it) 978bhp/773ft-lb. Hes just rang me & is purring like akitten. The aim with this car is to now fit a Fuel Pump Voltage Booster &use FTW Purple the same combo will be used in mine. Another 2.3% more Power isneeded to crack the 1000bhp & FTW tends to make around 5/6% over 109 so itlikes likely to sail over 1000bhp on a 9180.
Mark is now going to get mine built readyfor the Dyno & wait until December before having another crack with theEVO. He wont be drawn on mine but said if our latest head gasket integrity modswork, Power wise the YB fares well against the EVO. Im now getting a tad excited not good for an old sod as the prospect of aground breaking street roadable YB with close to the magic 4 figures.
Its taken a long time Mark but this isuncharted territory for a road mannered YB & im now getting rather excitedabout mine lets get it built.
Old 21-10-2015, 06:48 PM
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Rod what is FTW?

Normally I abbreviate it as "for the win"
Old 21-10-2015, 06:51 PM
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That torque is absolutely insane lol that thing must feel dangerously fast on the road
Old 21-10-2015, 07:11 PM
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Awesome work can't wait to see what yours does rod
Old 21-10-2015, 07:30 PM
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Incredible result I'm sure u said yb's normally put out more power than evos with similar turbo set ups? That would be good as you should get over 1000 hp? Are u aiming for similar torque?
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Incredible!
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Originally Posted by lee2cossies
Incredible result I'm sure u said yb's normally put out more power than evos with similar turbo set ups? That would be good as you should get over 1000 hp? Are u aiming for similar torque?
They normally do but this Evo is a little diff than the ones I have done before it and it has suprised me every step of the way with the power its made and on two diff dyno's also as a back up.

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Old 21-10-2015, 07:38 PM
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Good luck to both you and mark
Old 21-10-2015, 07:42 PM
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Mark just sent me this lol 3bar of boost holding 2.85 must be mental

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Originally Posted by studabear
Rod what is FTW?

Normally I abbreviate it as "for the win"


FTW Purple is a race fuel one of the latest blends that's setting new standards & getting close to Methanol for producing Power. Its expensive around Ł35 a gallon but it appears to make huge figures but as usual Mark is very sceptical until he has tried it.
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Old 21-10-2015, 07:57 PM
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3 bar!

Nice, cant wait to see the in car results
Old 21-10-2015, 08:21 PM
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What will the evo be used for? Well done Mark!
Old 21-10-2015, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Caddyshack
What will the evo be used for? Well done Mark!
Its a road car.

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Old 21-10-2015, 08:36 PM
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Chris Miller in the USA has made/ been involed in making the fuel. All the fast Hondas are on it.
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Originally Posted by Fil
3 bar!

Nice, cant wait to see the in car results



We are looking at using more in mine we have fuelled for 3.5bar.
Old 21-10-2015, 08:59 PM
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Will be interesting to see what Mark can do with your engine Rod.
Old 22-10-2015, 01:56 AM
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Personally I don't see the point in tuning on race fuel, unless its for racing! If you can't fill it up at the pumps then it's of little real world value IMHO.

Not knocking the achievement it's undoubtably superb, but claiming it as a road engine whe it's got to be run on rocket fuel to make it work is a bit pointless.
Old 22-10-2015, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by RWD_cossie_wil
Personally I don't see the point in tuning on race fuel, unless its for racing! If you can't fill it up at the pumps then it's of little real world value IMHO.

Not knocking the achievement it's undoubtably superb, but claiming it as a road engine whe it's got to be run on rocket fuel to make it work is a bit pointless.
The owner does run it on race fuel on the road also. It makes 801hp on pump fuel.

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Old 22-10-2015, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark Shead
The owner does run it on race fuel on the road also. It makes 801hp on pump fuel.

Mark
What car is this engine in ?
Old 22-10-2015, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by cossynut2
What car is this engine in ?
It's a Evo 9.

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Originally Posted by RWD_cossie_wil
Personally I don't see the point in tuning on race fuel, unless its for racing! If you can't fill it up at the pumps then it's of little real world value IMHO.

Not knocking the achievement it's undoubtably superb, but claiming it as a road engine whe it's got to be run on rocket fuel to make it work is a bit pointless.

Its a road engine because it spools like one its ultimate Power is determined by the Fuel used that is the case with all engines. Personally 800 is enough on the road but if I enter Vmax its not enough but it don't stop it being a road engine. Pointless to you is essential to others which is why some people chase Power.
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some incredible development gone in to that - to all involved
Old 22-10-2015, 07:13 PM
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Nice one rod and mark of course ..

You going to upgrade that twin plate clutch of yours?
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Originally Posted by 1300gt
Nice one rod and mark of course ..

You going to upgrade that twin plate clutch of yours?



Im actually changing from a triple plate to a twin. They take huge Torque but those figures are a bit worrying .
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Old 22-10-2015, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Rod-Tarry
Im actually changing from a triple plate to a twin. They take huge Torque but those figures are a bit worrying .
Not the other way around?
Old 22-10-2015, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 1300gt
Not the other way around?

No the twin handles more torque than my old triple.
Old 22-10-2015, 09:38 PM
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I was hoping to see the car itself when I clicked on this thread.
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Originally Posted by Rod-Tarry
Its a road engine because it spools like one
When I think of road engines I envisage 2,500rpm power bands too

Don't get me wrong, it's an astounding achievement but to say it has the boost threshold of a road engine is incorrect
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Wow that's some power! Mark must be a very clever man well done
Old 22-10-2015, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by SiZT
When I think of road engines I envisage 2,500rpm power bands too

Don't get me wrong, it's an astounding achievement but to say it has the boost threshold of a road engine is incorrect
That is such a rubbish thing to say lol using a gearbox correctly will keep you in the power. I imagine this evo feels astonishing fast. Plus if it has a sequential box it will never be out of the boost on the road lol
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Originally Posted by SiZT
When I think of road engines I envisage 2,500rpm power bands too

Don't get me wrong, it's an astounding achievement but to say it has the boost threshold of a road engine is incorrect


You simply have no idea where Mark has taken these engines. Ask Simon for a ride it would shut you up in a second. That car is biff bang gone beyond belief. 1000rpm lower spool than mine is the progress made since 2008.
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Out of interest mark, have you ever done any big power builds on bigger engines?
As in 3l 6pots?
Supra/skyline.....

I just wondered what sort of power you get out of these if you get nearly 1000 out of a 2l 4pot.
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Is this Simons BLue Evo?
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fuck!!! Must be frightening quick!
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Originally Posted by SiZT
When I think of road engines I envisage 2,500rpm power bands too

Don't get me wrong, it's an astounding achievement but to say it has the boost threshold of a road engine is incorrect
I don't get what you are saying, that graph looks like it is starting to make more power than a std cossie peak at around 4000 / 4500 rpm and then takes off until over 7500...


If the Turbo performs anything like my Borg EFR then you hit the throttle and the turbo just takes off.
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this car is just crazy ,i have some vids from the last last dyno i will try upload them later
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Originally Posted by stu21t
Out of interest mark, have you ever done any big power builds on bigger engines?
As in 3l 6pots?
Supra/skyline.....

I just wondered what sort of power you get out of these if you get nearly 1000 out of a 2l 4pot.
Not done any big builds on other engines but starting on Porsche now so that will come.
I have mapped plenty 1000+hp cars and boats.

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Thats what 650bhp per ton The magic number for a fast car is 500bhp per ton its not in bad company with these figures

http://www.autosnout.com/Cars-Bhp-Per-Ton-List.php
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Originally Posted by Ash170990
Is this Simons BLue Evo?
Yes it is.

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this is simons 931bhp run


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