Antony Begley

Hello everybody
i have a 2007 mondeo edge tdci 130 that i have recently bought for work and it has started to cut out today on the way to work. Twice the coil light started flashing then it died i turned the key off then re started the car and continued my journey this was done while still moving it did it again about 10 mins later i was 30 mins into the journey. I had filed the tank that morning so i don't think it's a fuel issue unless it's a block somewhere both times i was on a slight incline climbing. Also when sat stationary it seems a bit lethargic as though it's revs are low when i bought the car the seeker said he had it serviced in January but i took his word for it and seen no proof any help appreciated i am a novice with cars so as simple as possible please
Thanks
Antony

DanW@FastFord

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Get the fault codes read. Could be a load of things, and you're just pissing in the wind until you know the fault codes.

Antony Begley

Dan
Thanks for the reply i have a code scanner will this pick them up if no fault lights are on or do i need to get it on a diagnostics machine
Thanks
Antony

DanW@FastFord

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Yes any code reader will pick up any codes that are stored on there. The fact that the coil (EML) light came on means that it will have stored a code (or several)

It could be something as simple as the cam sensor - (5 min fix) or it could be something fuelling related - injectors go for fun, and cost a fortune!

3i Jim

Is the glow plug light flashing? Sounds like the egr. had this on my mondeo.

DanW@FastFord

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EGR faults don't generally don't cause cutting out.

3i Jim

True. Like you say, probably a cam sensor.

DanW@FastFord

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If he's lucky yes!

Antony Begley

I plugged my diagnostic reader in and it found no fault codes im now waiting to get it looked at would you still drive it until it's been checked out

Antony Begley

Yes the glow plug light started flashing and the engine died so i turned it off and restarted it and it carried on as normal there is a bit of smoke kicking it off it at higher revs as well

CossieRich

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Had this on mine too. Eventually it would refuse to start and if I could get it going then tons of grey smoke out the back. AA said injector or high pressure diesel pump was at fault. Got rid of the car. Was a 2.2 ST TDCi but they all seem to suffer from the same issues.

DanW@FastFord

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Shame there are no codes. It makes things difficult, as it could be injectors, pump, inlet metering valve, fuel pressure regulator or several other things. The fuel system is often to blame on these.

What I would say is be careful of spending too much on it. Getting a leak off test on the injectors is the cheapest way to rule them in or out (but doesn't pick up all injector faults) - getting them on a proper Delphi diagnostic machine is the best way, but can be expensive. Failing that you either need someone who knows what they're doing to read the live diagnostics, or you'll just end up blindly swapping parts in the hope they'll fix it!

Let us know what the garage says.

Antony Begley

Bit of an update to my problem I let my friend have a look at it with his diagnostic machine and he got the following codes
P1211 injector control pressure high/low
P0251 injector pump fuel metering control
He decided to have a little look so he dived in and cleaned out the egr valve and also repaired the pipe to it as it had a split in it, he said the valve was really dirty and some of the black stuff inside was solid.
Ive not had it on a run yet but will do on monday I've decided to run it and see what happens but I've also heard mention of getting an injector leak test(not sure if i have remembered this correct) done but would welcome any advice on if this is necessary and if it runs ok if it is worth getting done anyway
Thanks again
Antony

DanW@FastFord

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They're the most common codes to crop up, and as expected it's fuelling related. The pipe to the EGR won't have triggered those codes sadly. They're also notoriously difficult to solve. How many miles has the car done, I'm guessing 100-120K?

The first thing I'd do is to change the fuel filter if it's not been done for a while - You MUST fill the filter housing to the brim with fuel after fitting the filter, otherwise you'll just drag air through the system, and it won't start. Don't get a cheap one, get the proper Ford/Delhi one.

Failing that P0251 is likely to be one or more of the injectors - A leak off test should confirm if any of them are faulty. They often go at around the same time so if one's gone, factor in the fact that others are likely to follow.

The pump, or the inlet metering valve (small black/brown valve on the back of the pump, costs around Ł75) are suspects too, albeit less likely.

In my experience it's definitely worth going to a diesel specialist rather than to a regular garage!

Antony Begley

The car has done 114k
It had a service in january but I'm guessing that was just an oil filter change i will get a new fuel filter fitted next I'm guessing the injectors could be filthy as well so will clean them also I will take your advice and I will find a diesel specialist I will ask about in the pub this weekend I'll go the old fashioned route before we had google
Cheers
Antony

DanW@FastFord

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You can't really clean the injectors - the tolerances are so minute that once they're past a certain stage, that's it they need reconditioning or replacing. Correct reconditioning requires the injectors to be rebuilt, and put on a rig which then produces a 10-digit (if I remember correctly) code which needs to be programmed into the ECU. Anyone who offers to 'recondition' the injectors without supplying a new code is worthless.

114K is around the time when you'd expect to see the injectors start to pack up - I strongly a suspect a leak-off test will find the culprit.