Pardeep

Just had a read and a Interesting Feature was the Mountune Focus ST vs Focus RS

Both cars were timed and the ST was quicker with just 256bhp. I think this will have a big impact on a lot of people thinking of buying the RS.

mark r

quicker to what? 60 or 100

youngben

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in most times

Mike1

Quicker to 130 (just!)

Pardeep

No it was quicker in all speeds. It was ahead of the RS up to 150mph

Mike1

Ah I didn't see that bit, it only printed actual comparative figures up to 130 and then mentioned 140 in the article

PT

Alot of people think the mountune quoted bhp figures are understated.

For example

http://drivers-republic.co.uk/dr_tv/...c9&area=videos

Micky

How much is the Mountune upgrade???And do you have to take the ST to Mountune,or do they have a few dealers that fit them too??Regards,Micky

PF Dave

Micky, Ł1096 inc VAT + 1 hour labour... available from Mountune-approved Ford dealers. Full list at www.mountuneperformance.com

It's 260PS, was TUV power tested at that, and has been getting between 256bhp and 265bhp at various rolling roads and at rolling road days in the various magazines. This months PF has one on a rolling road day that IIRC made 260bhp.

Pardeep

Personally think that if the ST Mountune kit is that good, the RS kit they are working on will be something great too.

However my question remains about what the extra 40/50bhp is doing in the RS against a ST with 250/260bhp???

Still in shock over that!!!

Drunken Master

Is anyone thinking louder exhaust and overstated power?

Pardeep

Either that or its ludicrously heavier.

kcosneil

yeh !

Glenn_

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What would you rather have though,the st or the rs.I know which one i would rather have.

rst cabbie

I het itbe cus looks ugiy

It's Czech Mate

Wow, straight line test with lower topspeed.......ace! It MUST be better!

I hope the OP isnt seriously suggesting the Mountune ST is as quick point to point on an actual road?

Because believe me if it was Evo would have been crowing about that all day long.

Pardeep

I'd still take the RS however i'm pretty disappointed that the ST was infront all the way to 150mph. A second hand ST for 10k with low miles and the Mountune Kit for Ł1100 will take on a RS that costs twice more.

It's Czech Mate

It was well behind on in gear times 100-120 tho

Also why are you comparing a tuned second hand car with a brand new one?

ST is at least Ł20k brand new with options to match an RS and the mountune kit.....even then it is only fractionally quicker in straight line acceleration

It doesnt have the in gear times at higer speeds and it certainly wont have the handling.
So the Handling, the RS 'experience' etc only costs you Ł5k more and you'll get that back in depreciation inside 24 months

I just dont get your point.....even EVO werent stupid enough to suggest that head to head on a road/track the ST Mountune would be a match for the RS?

RS Grant

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Its a bit different to that really, if you want a car to actually compete with the (standard) Focus RS all round then you'll need to buy a decent ST as a base car, then a Mountune Kit (or one of the many other tuning packs available), Aftermarket LSD, Suspension Kit, Decent Front Seats & Rails, Uprated Brake Kit etc... I dont think you'd get much change from Ł15,000 to do it properly. After you've wanked all that money away, your ST is likely to have depreciated so might still be worth Ł10,000 or a few hundred note more with the aftermarket bits included.

Or, you can have a boggo RS with warranty and some sort of residual value once you're finished with it.


Cheers,
Grant

Chip

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I would imagine the mountune pack adds more midrange torque than the RS has, to explain the difference in speed.

Wait till you see a chipped RS though, that will be on a different level again!

Ford RS Enthusiast

Don't they test them from a certain rev range tho

its something like boot the RS and ST from 1.5k and see which is the fastest ?

but if you know how to drive a turbo car you could kill the ST, its all about knocking the gears down always keep the turbo on song

Pardeep

Fact of the matter is that the ST was in front of the RS with just 250/260bhp. If anything REGARDLESS of the ST being tuned a 300bhp RS should still be in front of the Tuned ST.

My Opinion really. I wouldn't want to be driving down the motorway in a RS and have a ST with a Mountune kit thats 40/50bhp less than what i have pull away from me. I'd be pretty Pissed.

Pardeep

Exactly, you gotta still tune the RS to get passed a ST. Don't get me wrong, i love the RS but like i said before i'd be annoyed that car will less horsepower is pulling away.

Chip

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Area under the curve for the relevant subsection of the RPM range is the key thing to accelerating, NOT just the peak BHP value.
The Focus RS has a deliberately linear torque curve where as I bet the mountune ST doesnt, so at most points in the rev range it will have more power than the RS not less I suspect.

You cant just look at one figure!

Pardeep

hmmm fair point.

pani_k

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Did they RR the RS they had to see what it was producing? A lot of people have claimed they have "raced" RS's and beaten/kept up with them, been a few threads on here already one I remember with a Mazda 6 MPS and another with an ST. Maybe they aren't producing 300bhp?? Might explain things a bit as I struggle to workout how a 260bhp car with matching torque can out accelerate a 300bhp car with matching torque (supposedly).

Chip

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Pani K, are the torque figures quoted for the mountune ST the same as the RS then? I was under the impression they were higher.

LEE-RS

I guess its a bit like a four stroke racing a 2 stroke motor bike you have to keep the 2 stroke in its power band (like a turbo) to win

It's Czech Mate

Its lighter and has more than 260bhp!






like for like the mountune ST would only be 5k less ( comparing new cars to new cars ), depreciate more and it is only fractions of a second faster in a straight line only.
You would never get past an RS in one on a normal road


Would you get pissed if a turbo nova came past as well? You cant stop people tuning cars

pani_k

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New RS is quoted at around 440Nm which equates to 324ft.lbs.

Taken from Mountune's site:

"The Mountune Performance package for the Ford Focus ST consists of a larger tailored Pro Alloy intercooler, a high flow K&N air filter and a revised engine calibration for the potent 2.5-litre Duratec ST engine. Once upgraded power increases to 260PS at 5500rpm and torque is raised to 400Nm at 2,500 to 4,000rpm."

400Nm is about 295ft.lbs.

So whichever way you cut it, it doesn't make sense. My money is on quoted RS BHP and torque are not actually being produced.

Chip

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Pani K, thanks for that, for some reason I thought the ST by mountune was more than that.

Chip

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Mondeo_Man, I totally agree, residuals on the RS will be a lot better than on a chipped ST

Its a bit like you could whack a stage 1 chip into a 3 door and wipe the floor with an RS500, but its still worth far less!

It's Czech Mate

Seeing as most production cars are tested to death and have meticulous typre approval i'd say the mountune kit ( especially one given to a mag ) is producing a bit more than it says. Even the guys at EVO/Drivers Republic have always said it feels like more than 260bhp.


I dont get why its all so hard to understand.....a marginally lighter car with marginally less power is marginally faster accelerating, altho the 100-120 in gear times show the true power of the RS

The RS will out handle the ST easily and in a real world situation, the in gear driveability and the handling will mean it would have to be a very special ST to get near it.

dojj

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do they use the same ratio's in the gearbox then?

with the bigger wheels that may explain the fractions of speeds

pani_k

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If you go by manufacturer figures, having 40bhp more and 30ft.lbs more isn't that marginal and I'm assuming RR curves won't differentiate that much in terms of shape either.

RS kerb weight 1467kg
ST kerb weight 1392kg

Difference of 70kg or so, basically like having a passenger sitting in the RS constantly. Can somebody post the mag results please as I don't have it? Times and figures quoted for each car. Thank you, please.

It's Czech Mate

Why would you assume that?

70KG is plenty enough difference to make a marginal difference in times, given we almost know the mountune conversion pumps out more than 260 bhp, the in gear times above 100 show the RS power advantage


And why is everyone ignoring the fact its only a straightline test on a runway and even EVO who did the fugging testing wouldnt say the ST is a match for the RS as a road car!???!?!?!

Chip

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Dont you understand?
It was in a MAGAZINE, its FASTER, its BETTER, its CHEAPER

God, stop looking at the "bigger picture" all the time you mong, who cares about better handling or brakes or a diff that actually puts power to both wheels etc, they werent in the article so they dont count

It's Czech Mate

I concede

pani_k

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I assume that because the engines are the same and will probably display similar characteristics in where they peak and how they hold power and torque in the top end. I am aware they use a different turbocharger. I'm not trying to put the RS down either as I've always defended it so stop having a go! As I said above I don't even have the damn magazine, only going by what has been said above.

It's Czech Mate

I'm not 'having a go' I 'm just explaining the figures and why the mountune ST is not going to be as quick as an RS on a real road/track


You're the one making statements like " My money is on the RS not making the claimed power" and you havent even seen all the article and figures