My Stock Hatch is ready and tested

[Stu @ Claims Care Centre]

Hi Bobdid look for you a couple of times but you wernt there on saturday, really enojoyed the day,poor Rory Cooper rolled in front of me lucky not to get wiped out shilst onhis roof. Just got my number for Mallory it is #97 hopefully i can be near you in paddock at mollory if your there and you can guid me through what to do. been testing today at snetterton when my TCA snapped in2 enterering Sears causing me to near hit the barrier at 80mph lucky managed to miss it by mm`s.

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[chameleon]

i was there sat,by the fence where the xr2i rolled..........
still thinking about it got a trailer and van........i know its not the norm but mg zr 1.4 16v is in the rules and you are allowed to run forged pistons and cams and you can make them handle..........just the parts are easy to get hold of and salvage cars are cheap as chips.......
some one has to come last......lol

[TwoCossieBob]

Originally Posted by chameleon

i was there sat,by the fence where the xr2i rolled..........
still thinking about it got a trailer and van........i know its not the norm but mg zr 1.4 16v is in the rules and you are allowed to run forged pistons and cams and you can make them handle..........just the parts are easy to get hold of and salvage cars are cheap as chips.......
some one has to come last......lol

The engine must remain standard, you are not allowed to use forged pistons and cams to make them handle. Not sure where you read this but its wrong.

Bob

[TwoCossieBob]

The road going MG would not be cost effective.

You would need to buy a set of race suspension, race springs, race seat, race harness, emergency cut off's, rain light and extinguisher etc. This kit would cost more than the 1500 quid for a XR2 which has already competed in the stockhatch series and has all these items.

Buy mine for 1500 and get on the grid for Mallory or Silverstone

Bob

[BRIGSPORT]

I know where theres a hill climb fiesta for £800, would this be eligible for stockhatch?

[Stu @ Claims Care Centre]

Originally Posted by TwoCossieBob

The road going MG would not be cost effective.

You would need to buy a set of race suspension, race springs, race seat, race harness, emergency cut off's, rain light and extinguisher etc. This kit would cost more than the 1500 quid for a XR2 which has already competed in the stockhatch series and has all these items.

Buy mine for 1500 and get on the grid for Mallory or Silverstone

Bob

Bob if you had the funds could a mg be competative?
i was thinking of getting one and spend some good money on one for maybe next year or have a tester for maybe 2011?

i dont want a saxo i want to be different, money aint too much issue and MG ZR look ok aswell.

Also bob have you got any interior pics of your car?

[PF Ben]

Bob is your XR2 road legal?

Ben

[Turby2]

Originally Posted by BRIGSPORT

I know where theres a hill climb fiesta for £800, would this be eligible for stockhatch?

It depends entirely on what's been done to it to make it a hillclimb car.

[Turby2]

Heres a picture of Rory rolling in front of my partner in the #81 XR2i

[tabetha]

Roosie, are you going to take your phone off answerphone today!!
tabetha

[chameleon]

Originally Posted by TwoCossieBob

The engine must remain standard, you are not allowed to use forged pistons and cams to make them handle. Not sure where you read this but its wrong.

Bob

sorry bob read the rules,mg zr is the only car you can use forged pistons and 750mc kent cam,its at the bottom of there rules..........
page 8

[chameleon]

Originally Posted by Stu @ Claims Care Centre

Bob if you had the funds could a mg be competative?
i was thinking of getting one and spend some good money on one for maybe next year or have a tester for maybe 2011?

i dont want a saxo i want to be different, money aint too much issue and MG ZR look ok aswell.

Also bob have you got any interior pics of your car?

mg zr comes standard polley bushed and coilovers all round,i have all the stuff kicking around to build one .......your car is a good buy for someone, i just think parts are harder to get.......
plus we deal with x part at work.........

[chameleon]

sorry to keep posting but are you running a kent cam bob,the rules state kent cam, can be used in xr2,2 to choose from............

[Stu @ Claims Care Centre]

Originally Posted by chameleon

mg zr comes standard polley bushed and coilovers all round,i have all the stuff kicking around to build one .......your car is a good buy for someone, i just think parts are harder to get.......
plus we deal with x part at work.........

i have half a unit full of xr2 spares i mean everything i have
12 doors
5 bonnets
20 brand new bodykits
spare rebuilt engine
4 gearboxes
10 bumpers
driveshafts
mirrors

i can build a car with my spares

[chameleon]

i just wanted to try something a bit newer and a bit different my dad was the first person to use a mg magnet as a stock car back in the day and was told it would not be fast enough,that was untill he led the world championship for 38 laps untill his wheel came off ,my uncle had not done it up properly and my dad never spoke to him again!the next week my dad said there was about ten mg magnets on the grid........ ,not knocking the xr2,but rover spares are plenty down here...........i had a conversation with a salvage dealer and he was begging me to take some cars for scrap value as he had around 20........

[Stu @ Claims Care Centre]

maybe you and i should run a mg zr next year show some people wrong, i have a lot of connection this end with some rover specialists

[chameleon]

maybe, i think the mg is a underated.........just got to have a e-bay week and have a clear up.........what i think is good is most rover 25s are low miles and owed by grandads so should last a good thrashing.........got to get some sponsers have 2 ,told someone else wants to back me and thinking x part may have interest....cheap advertising for them......

[chameleon]

come on bob,where u gone?

[TwoCossieBob]

sorry guys, been away this weekend.

my xr2 has the standard ford cam that it came with it in the cvh engine. i know you can use one of the designated replacement kent cams but these are not uprated ones so i dont use one as the originals are still easy to find.

a race cars performance in purely a matter of power against weight assumimng the car you have chosen can be made to handle correctly with race suspension and camber/tracking adjustment. consider the following.......

xr2 mkII stockhatch weight 831kgs, power 95bhp, gives 114.3bhp/tonne
saxo stockhatch weight 910kgs, power 125bhp, gives 137.4bhp/tonne
mg zr 105 stockhatch weight 940kgs, power 105bhp, gives 111.7bhp/tonne

straight away you can see the mg is at a disadvantage compared to the xr2 yet alone the saxo. to be fair i have used the bhp figures that are obtained on racing engines for the xr2 and saxo whilst the mg figure is as delivered from the factory.

with some legal work you might possibly get th mg up to 115bhp but that would still give it only 122.3bhp/tonne which would be enough to beat the xr2 but its a long way short of the saxo. using a 6 year old car like the mg to beat a 23 year old car like the xr2 won't bring much fame for the mg driver.

to be fair i don't want to discourage anyone from joining stockhatch or any other from of racing, its just newcomers should learn from their fellow racers and get into the series as cheaply as possible before considering a more radical and unusual approach such as using an unproven car.

any new build car will need a set of race suspension, race springs, race seat, race harness, emergency cut off's, rain light and extinguisher etc. This kit would cost more than the 1500 quid for a XR2 which has already competed in the stockhatch series and has all these items.

the hill climb car mentioned in the above postings could be suitable as it is if the engine is standard and the bodywork is completely standard. even if not then it would be a good basis as a start to make it a stockhatch racer.

my car (orange xr2) has a current V5 and could be road legal if i took it for an mot and taxed it. its SORN at the moment but there is no reason why it would not pass an mot. the ride would be a bit hard on the road as the suspension is tarmac race setup and the ride height might be a bit low for some of the larger speed bumps you see around.

bob

[PF Ben]

thanks for the reply bob, much appreciated.

All the best,

Ben

[Stu @ Claims Care Centre]

mines running 94bhp at wheels on a engine dyno

[Stu @ Claims Care Centre]

Bob i see what your saying! but just looked and you can run a emerald ecu on mg and after speaking to someone in the know about rover engines and Dave is a specialist when it comes to emerald and rover engine ive been informed with good blueprinted engine and CR just right on the emerald you could see 130bhp no problems, i think in the right hands the mg could be suprising, im one of these people who love to be different. I do love my xr2 and going to maybe give next year a good crack with the xr2 also, im going to spend the last 5 races this year to get good feel of the championship most likely following you about

[chameleon]

as above.............plus wossener pistons machined for cr,kent cam,injectors,fuel regulator,exhaust and panel filter.................
4x race spec coilovers
16"wheels not aloud 17""

[TwoCossieBob]

Originally Posted by Stu @ Claims Care Centre

mines running 94bhp at wheels on a engine dyno

yes, as i said in my previous note 94 to 95 bhp is about right for the xr2 so at least you know yours will be in the right area compared to the other stockhatch xr2's.

i will probably be at mallory so come and say hello this time.

bob

[Stu @ Claims Care Centre]

Originally Posted by TwoCossieBob

yes, as i said in my previous note 94 to 95 bhp is about right for the xr2 so at least you know yours will be in the right area compared to the other stockhatch xr2's.

i will probably be at mallory so come and say hello this time.

bob

Hope so i have a £2000 Pete Morgan engine in there

just got to get all my race overalls,helmet,etc as they all have to be FIA approved thats all a good part of 1k.

got a few things to sort out aswell goto get the tyres and a wheel bearing sorted out.
im race number 97 this year

[TwoCossieBob]

my helmet was 300 quid and was the best i could afford at the time, you only get one chance with your head!

look on ebay for a race suit. i found one that had been worn twice and got it for 100 quid including the postage.

race suit sizing is very small so be careful what you buy if you have not tried it on. for example the demon tweeks chart said i needed a size 54 but it was way to tight for me. the size 56 fitted fine even though the chart said it would be to big. its not just me, many people have mentioned the same problem to me.

with helmet, gloves, suit and shoes you should be around 500 quid if you shop around for good secondhand items with the exception of the helmet.

bob

[TwoCossieBob]

Anyone else on here doing Mallory stockhatch?

[Stu @ Claims Care Centre]

Bob does the gloves and shoes need to be FIA approved?
and what standards do helmets have to have?

[TwoCossieBob]

Originally Posted by Stu @ Claims Care Centre

Bob does the gloves and shoes need to be FIA approved?
and what standards do helmets have to have?

The shoes do not have to be FIA approved, you just want something with a good fit and a nice soft sole to feel the pedals properly.

The helmet does have to be FIA or Snell approved, I think its Snell SA2005 or FIA 8858-2002 approved.

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/produc...code=OMPSC722L

This is the one I have, well I have its previous model, it has a wide opening and the peak to keep the sun out of my eyes. Shop around as there are cheaper ones and better places to buy from than Demon Tweeks. Don't buy a cheap motorcyle one as they are heavy, have a narrow eye opening and come with a visor which is not required in a saloon car.

Bob

[TwoCossieBob]

Anyone else on here doing Mallory stockhatch?

[chameleon]

dont know if this is true but was told by a mate that they are changing rules on crash helmets next year,i saw some of the lads using motobike crash helmets at brands,i thought you could take your crash helmet to the officals and if it was okay they would sticker it,they used to do this anyway.

[chameleon]

also gloves dont have to cost a fortune,i brought a pair of k1 gloves fia approved cost £20...............

[Stu @ Claims Care Centre]

just got whole sparco gear today looks the part and feels good. car is nearly ready apart from tyres and goto change me gear linkage and ill be ready for mallory.

Bob whats best time to get there? or is it best to go the night before?

[chameleon]

well the man who sponsers the tyres is near you stu...........george polley..........

[Turby2]

Originally Posted by TwoCossieBob

Anyone else on here doing Mallory stockhatch?

Yep, White XR2i, #87. I'm up there testing on the 15th

[OldDan]

Cadwell Park this weekend?

[Roosie]

little pic of me and Twocossiebob at silverstone! I was the quickest qualified xr2 and heat time poor bob hasnt had a good time with his engine this weekend

[chameleon]

hope to be out next year i am building the car,have 3 now,engine builder has 2 engine's and i am really pleased i went to see a freind of mine who i used to race with and pointed me in his direction,met so many crook's but have 100% confidence in him and he is really excited.......hope to be at the next meeting (just to watch)......know a couple of people running in the stock hatch,would be nice to put a face to name's on here......

[NUTS RuS]

Stu,

I may have found you a new quick rack if you need one.

Just need to get it confirmed if its 2.4 or 2.7

[crazycage]

Originally Posted by Stu @ Claims Care Centre

mines running 94bhp at wheels on a engine dyno

doesn't a engine dyno measure at the flywheel .