The decline of passion for fords

[chameleon]

build a brand new engine,stick in rs500 btcc car and go to the nurenburg ring,oh and a proven driver....put it up against the new cars and i think you would be surprised......i would like to see it anyway lol. time attack and totb is not really what these cars where made for sorry.

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[Chip]

Originally Posted by chameleon

build a brand new engine,stick in rs500 btcc car and go to the nurenburg ring,oh and a proven driver....put it up against the new cars and i think you would be surprised......i would like to see it anyway lol.
time attack and totb is not really what these cars where made for sorry.

Time attack is what they were made for surely, going round a racetrack?

rs500 btcc car is well out of date, still quick but no match for the likes of olly clarke

[chameleon]

maybe not but these people are spending thousands...........
speed isnt everything mate it's the way you move he he
as i have said before phone the md of fords im going to find his number and start a new post........you may laugh but when the jag xj40 came out my dad wanted a signal red one,erm you cant have a red one so my dad phoned the md at jag's and kept calling him in the end they pulled a car off the production line and got a painter to paint it red......only signal red one they made............then my dad wanted the new xk,but wanted red with blue hood.....erm cant have that sir you will have to have a silver one if you want a blue hood ......you already know were this is going......md many phone call's later red car,blue hood.....its called PEOPLE POWER...........................

[Si B]

Originally Posted by Chip

I love cossies and always well but the reality is that at castle combe on saturday when I was watching them Si B was lapping quicker in his fast road evo on road legal tyres with a full interior than Martin Hadland was in his massively modified escort, the evo is simply a better car, its not anti ford to say so, its just accurate.

Evening Chipper

In fairness to Martin I was holding him up during our couple of laps round the track together. As fun as it was, he was all over me. I planned to move over on the straight after "trying" to hold him off for a lap or 2, but Martin pulled off the track just seconds before I did, to drop his passenger off.

I suspect running full power and without an unknown paying passenger on board the story would have been very different.

Originally Posted by Mike1

I wouldn't disagree but it was fun to watch that white 3-door chase Si B round on it's 20+ year old suspension design ( even if it was an extra 100 or so bhp ). I think he was the first to admit he was surprised by it.

Just as an aside, did anyone manage to overtake the V8 MGB GT?

I was surprised, especially now I learn his spec is by no means supercar. I know Cossies can be fast, but that was genuinely quick all the time (corners, brakes, power)

I've never seen anyone overtake the MGB in 7-10 years or so of going to Combe on track. He's always quick and the car seems to love it.

I didn't see him on track while I was there so never got to run against him, but doubt I'd be kicking his arse!

Originally Posted by Glenny Boy

I wish i had seen that 3dr chasing the Evo.I can remember a few years ago at the rs show at croft when there was them 2 evo 9s on track and there was this little yellow nova.The yellow nova was all over the evos and the evos couldnt catch the nova.It was very entertaining to watch.

Hey Glen, you should be able to see the 3 door hassling me - I have it all caught on my 2 in car cameras, so I'll post it up on here as soon as I can get it off my camcorders - I need to get a Firewire card and lead first, but I will post it.

Originally Posted by Mike1

Twas good to watch and does illustrate what the cars CAN be capable of in the right hands.

Thanks Mike, glad it entertained, and glad you got loads of good photos of it It was deffo in the right hands- lots of power in that car but relatively mildy modified elsewhere, yet blisteringly quick on track.

Originally Posted by Martin Hadland

Just spotted this!! Chip did you really think I was running anywhere near flat out lol!!
I knew some plonker would time my car and make a judgement without knowing the facts!

Evening Martin

See what I wrote above to Chip, sorry for holding you up, but I had a great view in my rear view mirror watching you following me around.

Was about to pull over to let you get on with it when you pulled off to dump the passenger.

Thanks for not punting me out of the way

Originally Posted by Steven_RW

This site is more of a community than anything else in my eyes. Loads of people who came on here owned fords and have moved on with time. However, they still like to come on and have some banter with their mates. It is the strangest car forum, in that you can ask about how to fix your kitchen sink and lots of people on here will have had the experience and the skills to tell you what to do.

I still love cossies, however most are not really in the right condition. Yet, u get the odd escort cosworth or 3dr that is just a beauty. No slagging from me, even though I have moved on and not owned one since 2002.

It is the people and the passion for motors that keeps me checking this site.

Cheers

RW

I like Steve, he says what I'm thinking and saves me typing it out
Fully agreed once again.

[Glenny Boy]

Si b get the video clips up then matey.

[Martin Hadland]

Originally Posted by Chip

No mate, I assumed you had some issues, after all Lee did a 1:13 in an arguably lesser car, but that doesnt change my comment on the day, cars have to be reliable to be quick after all

Wrong again!! I had no issues whilst lapping Combe the car was running just fine as always, I chose to use much less boost than I would normally to save fuel as I was planning on running all day but sadly a melted wastegate diaphragm cut my charity rides short.

Btw I'm not blinkered into thinking the Evo's and other modern machines are not better in most area's than the ageing Sierra/Escorts but I like what I have thanks very much. Still wouldn't mind an Evo as a spare car but I have plenty of spares already!

[Tony Mannock]

Martin what we used to do years ago when we did these similar days was to lay down one qualifying lap,then do the scenic guided tour,save this type of post

[Martin Hadland]

Originally Posted by Si B

Evening Martin

See what I wrote above to Chip, sorry for holding you up, but I had a great view in my rear view mirror watching you following me around.

Was about to pull over to let you get on with it when you pulled off to dump the passenger.

Thanks for not punting me out of the way

Cheers Si, your car isn't slow that's for sure . I couldn't (wouldn't have anyway!) punt you out of the way as the Charity ride drivers were given strict guide rules as to what we could do and where we could overtake etc

[Martin Hadland]

Originally Posted by Turbosystems

Martin what we used to do years ago when we did these similar days was to lay down one qualifying lap,then do the scenic guided tour,save this type of post

Ha ha!! Next time maybe that's a plan

[Tony Mannock]

I'm sure if it had mark that was doing the charity rides chip wouldn't be having a dig
Big up to you for your charity work

[Mike1]

Originally Posted by Martin Hadland

Wrong again!! I had no issues whilst lapping Combe the car was running just fine as always, I chose to use much less boost than I would normally to save fuel as I was planning on running all day but sadly a melted wastegate diaphragm cut my charity rides short.

Yep I reckon a lot of the charity cars were running slower than they could in the interests of longevity - some of them were out almost constantly and I can understand not wanting to blow something while doing stuff for charity out the goodness of your heart.

I was standing by one of the pro-photographers at one point though when the Labatts Sierra seemed to put a real spurt on and it was noticeably quick then. The photographer noticed it and we reckoned he either had a brave passenger or wanted to get back to the pits for a wee or a drink!

I've seen Martin's Escort run a couple of years back or so ( maybe in convoy with Lee in the Reyland Sierra ) and it was really quick then so I could appreciate he was running at reduced pace to conserve his car

Still good to watch though

[Chip]

Originally Posted by Turbosystems

I'm sure if it had mark that was doing the charity rides chip wouldn't be having a dig
Big up to you for your charity work

Wasnt having a dig at all, I was merely commenting on how capable Si B's road car was as a lot of people on here dont seem to realise quite how good "out of the box" these cars actually are.

As per my question above, which refers to your "qualifying lap" concept, Martin, how quick have you done combe on your best ever lap if those ones were well off the pace?
Or if you havent yet run a fast lap, whats your gut feel for what time you can get?

Do you think you can get sub 1:10 like the evo's do?

[ReeceRS]

this thread started intresting and is going to end in the same old same old, you cant put a modern rally car built for road use against a an old cossie! clearly the modern car will come up on top, scoobys and evos are ready to race out the box, but i think people that buy them are all about speed speed speed, people who buy cossies,rs1600i,series 1's,mk1' and mk2s buy them because they generaly have a passion for the blue oval. this threads going know were lol

maybe should get a track day up and running with some serious comp between jap crap and rs's. would love to see it, mind u santa pod ended up like a comp between jap and ford.

[Mike1]

Originally Posted by Si B

I've never seen anyone overtake the MGB in 7-10 years or so of going to Combe on track. He's always quick and the car seems to love it.

I didn't see him on track while I was there so never got to run against him, but doubt I'd be kicking his arse!



Hey Glen, you should be able to see the 3 door hassling me - I have it all caught on my 2 in car cameras, so I'll post it up on here as soon as I can get it off my camcorders - I need to get a Firewire card and lead first, but I will post it.



.

What power is your EVO roughly Si? Is it the 340bhp one in your sig?

[Graceland]

I still have passion for Fords even though I am a BMW fan.

Infact, so much so, I'm off to look at Twellsies Cossie on Monday - I must be mad after all these years without one - seems I'm about to fall off the wagon

[Glenny Boy]

Originally Posted by ReeceRS

this thread started intresting and is going to end in the same old same old, you cant put a modern rally car built for road use against a an old cossie! clearly the modern car will come up on top, scoobys and evos are ready to race out the box, but i think people that buy them are all about speed speed speed, people who buy cossies,rs1600i,series 1's,mk1' and mk2s buy them because they generaly have a passion for the blue oval. this threads going know were lol

maybe should get a track day up and running with some serious comp between jap crap and rs's. would love to see it, mind u santa pod ended up like a comp between jap and ford.

Well said mate i totaly agree.

[Glenny Boy]

Originally Posted by Graceland

I still have passion for Fords even though I am a BMW fan.

Infact, so much so, I'm off to look at Twellsies Cossie on Monday - I must be mad after all these years without one - seems I'm about to fall off the wagon

Go on get it bought.His car has a good spec and it looks like a really good example.Just keep the BMW and use the cossie as a weekend toy.

[Graceland]

Originally Posted by Glenny Boy

Go on get it bought.His car has a good spec and it looks like a really good example.Just keep the BMW and use the cossie as a weekend toy.

The BMW has to go - no space for both, as I use a snotty escort diesel for commuting

[Glenny Boy]

MMMMMM hard decision I love cossies but i also like the BMW.s

[Graceland]

Difficult decision indeed - but after driving Mr Broadside's Cossie the other night, I'm sold - Definately fallen off the wagon

[Chip]

Originally Posted by Mike1

What power is your EVO roughly Si? Is it the 340bhp one in your sig?

575bhp, set of decent brakes, bolt on suspension change, and a standard gearbox.

oh, and some carbon bits, and thats about it, its essentialy pretty standard other than the engine, amazing how good they come from the factory to drive so well with that sort of power

[Mike1]

Originally Posted by Chip

575bhp, set of decent brakes, bolt on suspension change, and a standard gearbox.

Crikey, didn't realise it was the other one. Without taking anything away from Si and his EVO, that 3-door of Jay's was very rapid then

[Glenny Boy]

Originally Posted by Graceland

Difficult decision indeed - but after driving Mr Broadside's Cossie the other night, I'm sold - Definately fallen off the wagon

Well good luck with what ever you do.Old saffs have so much sole.

[Benni]

Originally Posted by Chip

No mate, I assumed you had some issues, after all Lee did a 1:13 in an arguably lesser car, but that doesnt change my comment on the day, cars have to be reliable to be quick after all

What sort of laptime do you think your car has in it if its working correctly then mate?
Reckon you can get down under the 1:10s with the evos on slicks?

Fpmsl!! @ You back chatting.

Benni.

[Si B]

Cheers Chip, that sums it up nicely

Originally Posted by Mike1

Crikey, didn't realise it was the other one. Without taking anything away from Si and his EVO, that 3-door of Jay's was very rapid then

That was my point indeed on the Castle Combe post. I was flying. Jay was flying faster

As I said on there, I've not come across an "ordinary man's" Cossie going so quick or well. People like Martin, Porkie, Andy Gallagher, Labatts car etc are all tuner cars or awesome specs, and get driven hard and fast.

Jay's though was relatively mild in modding terms, and built mainly by himself, and look at the results. I was very impressed. Not because Cossies are pants (they're not, I had one for 5 years), but because his was particularly good.

[Mark Shead]

Originally Posted by Turbosystems

I'm sure if it had mark that was doing the charity rides chip wouldn't be having a dig
Big up to you for your charity work

Thats because I would have been at full boost and flat out,
When you have a company there is a target on the side of the car for people and comments would always be made about you.

Mark

[Mike1]

Originally Posted by Si B

Jay's though was relatively mild in modding terms, and built mainly by himself, and look at the results. I was very impressed. Not because Cossies are pants (they're not, I had one for 5 years), but because his was particularly good.

I think if he could have got better traction out the corners he would have done perhaps even better. I noticed he was laying rubber out of the chicanes and Tower bend

[Martin Hadland]

Originally Posted by Mark Shead

Thats because I would have been at full boost and flat out,
Mark

That's so funny, I have never seen you doing charity rides!!! Let's see you there then

[Mark Shead]

Originally Posted by Martin Hadland

So funny!!! Let's see you there then :r oll:

I will be when I find time to do my own car just to busy to worry about fun at the moment.

Mark

[Martin Hadland]

Originally Posted by Mark Shead

I will be when I find time to do my own car just to busy to worry about fun at the moment.

Mark

I dont have time either but I find it somehow ... Join the queue of piss takers if you like but doing Combe charity rides isn't cheap but its a great day... Sort yourself out and get on board!

[Glenny Boy]

You carnt beat the old fords.

[cossimc]

Originally Posted by Glenny Boy

Yes im not alone.I love my fords and know they arnt the best cars in the world but they have made some really good ones and they have a mint racing/ralling heratage.Ive only had fords since i past my test too,ive also driven other cars too.I do agree with Ginge,if ford had brought out some interesting cars more people would of stuck with them.

hi iam new to this site i joined as the site said PASSION FORD!!!!!!!! i have 2x cossies a 2wd saph and a escos i love fords ive been a mechanic working at fords for many years and when a classic comes into the workshop the whole company will stop wot there doing and have a look and say wow they dont make them the way they used to proper cars which were made with passion and creativity so stick your posh new cars up your arse there shit not to mention most car makers are joined at the hip to save money they look the same take the st and rs focus its not even a ford engine its got vw stamps all over it wot a sham

[Glenny Boy]

I agree with what you have said there.

[cossimc]

Originally Posted by mechanic28

I think it all just somes up how good the cosworths are/where to still be compared and expected to be as good as cars 20 years for junior!

hell the evo 1 is not expected to be as good as the evo 10!or even a evo 6!and thats only 6 years older?

I think we as ford cosworth owners need to realised that indeed a evo,bmw etc is a better car(maybe not have the character of a cossie)but i think we all can be very proud that a cossie is still a head turner and a respected car for what it achieved!And that it is still compared to the modern day cars!

here here i have 2 lol

[ianflynn]

Originally Posted by cossimc

hi iam new to this site i joined as the site said PASSION FORD!!!!!!!! i have 2x cossies a 2wd saph and a escos i love fords ive been a mechanic working at fords for many years and when a classic comes into the workshop the whole company will stop wot there doing and have a look and say wow they dont make them the way they used to proper cars which were made with passion and creativity so stick your posh new cars up your arse there shit not to mention most car makers are joined at the hip to save money they look the same take the st and rs focus its not even a ford engine its got vw stamps all over it wot a sham

fail. its a volvo engine.

[jamieRST]

its about generations,all they young lads driving about want scoobys an evos cuz thats what theyve been brought up on,i wanted an erst s1 or s2 since i was 15.i had a 1.6 efi xr3i rs turbo replica at 18 and got my rst at 23,only because i wanted one so bad.
i prefer older cars as they look better,more character,i love the aggressive boxy shape of my rs turbo,i owned a vw golf mk 2 heavily modified and i loved that 2,and a vw jetta 16v gti,its just something about the older cars,they look better,and were built to last,thats why were still driving them 20 years on.
my m8s nan has a new peugot thingy its 1 year old and all the engine and alternator etc is covered in corrosion and looks shit,like said above,they dont make em like they used 2.
subarus engines are all backwards,i wouldnt like to work on one and evos just look shit after the 6 they just got ruined an scoobys got ruined after the bug eyed look.R32 is the only skyline to get.i mite be stuck in the late 80s,early 90s but at least my cars got road presence and not a japanese taxi that my nan could drive fast.
and yep,ppl coming back slating fords should just do one and be boring in their comfy bmw etc.
its all about the passion..
but agreed,not everybody wants to be constantly spending money on their car just to keep it going,but IMO its worth it for the nods and glances and the appreciation that some people give you about your car,and its just not the same in the newer cars,theyre all built to be cheap and fuel economic,wheres the fun in driving gone?

[Glenny Boy]

You cant say that evos and imprezas on here you will get shot lol.