The decline of passion for fords

[bigal1978]

what a load of shite all of it

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[Glenny Boy]

I love my fords and i love my cossie but i sometimes think do i just sell it and get a modern, boring car to use.If i had thousands of pounds my cossie would be mint.I also like other cars like BMW,S VW,s but i just love my fords.I know they arnt the best car in the world but they just have so much sole and i love the heritage of ford.

[95 fiesta si]

ford are shite









joke....i luv em

[Alps Pacino]

My 2p worth

Most the people on here who now own bmw's evo's etc still like there fords but have realised that there just not as good an everyday car as say an m5 or evo. Personally if my old saph was as reliable as an m3 i would still have my old saph as i love cossies(well except escorts) I can still appreciate them for what they are even though i take the piss and wind people up a bit and that probably goes for 90% of passion bmw. The problems arrise when people have there ford blnkers on and argue black and blue an escort cossie is a far superior car to an m5 just because they love rs's and have never owned either.

[MadRod]

Originally Posted by TiB

Well said Andy...

I think one of the new 'rules' that should be put in place is that 'there should be no bad mouthing about the ford name' unless its your own your moaning about

If someone asks whats the best car EVO or Escort have we got to lie then Lee because theirs a lot of Blinkered people on here, work on both one is now ancient history the other best of the modern stuff.
I love my old girl but dont kid myself its anything more than a 20year old Ford, however it also has a Cosworth badge .

[Glenny Boy]

You carnt compare an old ford against a modern evo which has miles better technology.But imo the escos looks a better car.

[chameleon]

this thread has got me thinking if i want to bother anymore or just sell everything ford related i have collected over ten years........
going to give myself a couple of weeks to think.........
if i do e-bay will be full of bargains galore.................

[Glenny Boy]

Dont do it.

[chameleon]

Originally Posted by Glenny Boy

Dont do it.

well it just seems to me that everyone is out for themself's and money rules,i thought id found a site of like minded people but it seem's i was wrong passion my arse,plus i just had a tot up of a few things at cheap prices and arrived at £12,000.........probally cost me £20K plus.
you try and help people on here and they shoot u down........

[Glenny Boy]

Just ignore them all mate.

[Steven_RW]

This site is more of a community than anything else in my eyes. Loads of people who came on here owned fords and have moved on with time. However, they still like to come on and have some banter with their mates. It is the strangest car forum, in that you can ask about how to fix your kitchen sink and lots of people on here will have had the experience and the skills to tell you what to do.

I still love cossies, however most are not really in the right condition. Yet, u get the odd escort cosworth or 3dr that is just a beauty. No slagging from me, even though I have moved on and not owned one since 2002.

It is the people and the passion for motors that keeps me checking this site.

Cheers

RW

[Glenny Boy]

If it wasnt for us lads and lasses who owned these fords the ford scene would be dead.When you go to shows like classic ford and ford fair it makes you think that there are still alot of people who love there fords.

[chameleon]

i would mate but i have been robbed by so many people i am at the stage of giving up .........i have had loads of fords.....one bloke summed it up when he came round mine ,his eye's popped out of his head and he said who do you know in the ford seen?.......dont know anyone ,do i have to to own a ford then?.......my freind is stu from msd was his reply........
someone i know builds race caterham 7's and i used to race with him when i was young,he said i could have all engine parts he has to get me out racing a caterham for nothing, just cause i used to make him laugh when i lapped everyone twice.......i was told off for breaking the lap record every lap......which has stood for 20years.

[Glenny Boy]

I have loads of friends now since i got my cossie.Mind you being the scotch corner all ford meet organiser helps.Ive met loads of really nice people from doing these meets.Just stick with your fords mate.

[chameleon]

thanks mate,i will think long and hard

[bodug60]

Originally Posted by Glenny Boy

Just stick with your fords mate.

Amen! After all, it does seem like Ford isn't going to be going anywhere for a while. Guess they knew what they were doing by just continuing to make a great product. No need to bail them out from themselves - way to go Ford!

[Glenny Boy]

Originally Posted by bodug60

Amen! After all, it does seem like Ford isn't going to be going anywhere for a while. Guess they knew what they were doing by just continuing to make a great product. No need to bail them out from themselves - way to go Ford!

Well said mate.Ford have made some nice cars over the years and they have mad soe legends too like the mk2 escorts and of cause most rs,s.

[Chip]

I love cossies and always well but the reality is that at castle combe on saturday when I was watching them Si B was lapping quicker in his fast road evo on road legal tyres with a full interior than Martin Hadland was in his massively modified escort, the evo is simply a better car, its not anti ford to say so, its just accurate.

[chameleon]

anything is faster than mine it is a bare shell...........

[petey.]

i agree, but i also think theres a lot that think a cossie is the best thing in the world and everything else isnt worth a thought.

cossies were good in their day but are just 'alright' compared to a modern equivalent.
theres no way id be going out paying best part of 20k for a decent escos when for that i could have a 'jap crap' alternative with 600bhp+ and can easily understand why people turn to M5s etc.

though, saying that id still do some naughty things for a 3dr as i think theyre iconic cars and have always wanted one from being a kid and dont think coming on slating cossies (and fords in general) is acceptable.

[Kestrel77]

Yup ~ Coming on here Slagging Off fords is Wrong ~ Moral Observation ~
So, should there be "legislation"(rules) against this maybe a warning
leading to a ban by a coupla selected modz for repeat harsh/offensive PEOPLE ?
As for the debate "is a Ford better/as good as bm/mitsi/sub" That is Not the POINT
The Point of the First~Poster is about People coming on here to slate Fords
Sadly Car~Modding has been the pastime of Arrogant~People for a
Looonnnggg~Time ~ and as the chap with the Supa~BM Estate cossie funnily observed,
Its to do with Promulgating (Spreading) the Idea that their equipment is BIGGER
Since so much has been said about Ford vs
I would like to say something that has not been said, why does it have to be Escort cosworth vs ?
That is Silly ~ most people cannot afford (park outside!) one ~ and many have more powerful
Mark3/4/5 Escorts (none~cosworth) that are Fine~Motors
No, my point is what about ~ RS vs No not one Motor Company has EVER Consistently
Produced Rugged cult~like followed cars as the ~ RS ~ Think of the list RS2000 RS1800 RS1600
Fiesta Escort Sierra Focus all the Variants Turbo none turbo..
Don't you dare Underestimate the ~ RS2000 ~
in Mark 5 and Mark 6 guise, they are Happily~Owned long~term by masses,
What about Rally~Success, no not ONE manufacturer has Consistently produced such vehicles ~
It will NEVER be Surpassed...
:b labla:
:b labla:

[155lee]

how about comparing a 20 year old ford to a similar car from a different marque,subaru were making pick ups for farmers,bmw were making underpowered but good handling e30 m3s which still sell for upwards of 5k which i find unbelievable.people love cars from any era and its personal choice,you cant compare a 3 door to an e46 m3,theres at least 23 years between them,but give the cossie some up to date mods and it will keep up with it.

[Glenny Boy]

KESTREL77 well said mate.I hate it when people go on about Jap cars been the best too.Other car manufactures are just as good.

[chameleon]

this is just typical of people just moan about ford not giving us what we want and not doing anything about it,if everyone on here started e-mailing the md of fords everyday telling him something like were the f... is my cossy replacement you twat!!!!!!!!! dont know if it would do any good but having say thousands of e-mails everyday might make them feel like us ................pissed off.

[Tony Mannock]

Originally Posted by chameleon

this is just typical of people just moan about ford not giving us what we want and not doing anything about it,.

They did they bought a bmw
I bought an evo

[Mike1]

Originally Posted by Chip

I love cossies and always well but the reality is that at castle combe on saturday when I was watching them Si B was lapping quicker in his fast road evo on road legal tyres with a full interior than Martin Hadland was in his massively modified escort, the evo is simply a better car, its not anti ford to say so, its just accurate.

I wouldn't disagree but it was fun to watch that white 3-door chase Si B round on it's 20+ year old suspension design ( even if it was an extra 100 or so bhp ). I think he was the first to admit he was surprised by it.

Just as an aside, did anyone manage to overtake the V8 MGB GT?

[PeterD]

So to summarise, IF you like like old fast fords and either dont mind or enjoy the maintainence side of it, buy one and enjoy it.

If you dont like old fast fords or no longer enjoy them and all the baggage that comes with them, dont buy one.

I still want an Escos

[Glenny Boy]

Originally Posted by Mike1

I wouldn't disagree but it was fun to watch that white 3-door chase Si B round on it's 20+ year old suspension design ( even if it was an extra 100 or so bhp ). I think he was the first to admit he was surprised by it.

Just as an aside, did anyone manage to overtake the V8 MGB GT?

I wish i had seen that 3dr chasing the Evo.I can remember a few years ago at the rs show at croft when there was them 2 evo 9s on track and there was this little yellow nova.The yellow nova was all over the evos and the evos couldnt catch the nova.It was very entertaining to watch.

[AJC]

i didn't start this thread for arguments etc. Or to even ask what the better car is, i just think its ironic how people on a ford site seem to slag them a lot.

[Glenny Boy]

I wonder if you go onto a vauxhall site,do they slag them off.

[Mike1]

Originally Posted by Glenny Boy

I wish i had seen that 3dr chasing the Evo.

Twas good to watch and does illustrate what the cars CAN be capable of in the right hands.

I think sometimes though, for some of the hobby cars, the more times they have been pulled apart and re-assembled ( sometimes in a rush ) the more opportunity there is to create a scenario for something to come loose and cause a "breakdown". Don't think they are intrinsically any more unreliable than any other car of that age - certainly when they ran them in mags as new cars the long-term reports only indicate stuff like misfires, replacement power-steering reservoir caps, wheel balancing etc. There was a batch of head-gasket failures early on in the 3-doors but I think most manufacturers can have an episode like that ( VW ignition coils, BMW Nicasil engines etc ). They did quite well in things like the 24hr Willhire races.
Now they are old cars, old wiring etc. - you can buy more ability and newer metal for a lot less than an RS these days so if you just want something to go fast in your money is better off with a newer standard Subaru, Mitsubishi, BMW or similar.
I did notice at Combe that other makes had problems and had to be trailered off ( not scoffing at people's misfortune here by the way ) but I did notice when the black 3-door expired just after Quarry I heard remarks like " it's a Ford, what do you expect!" but didn't hear similar when the Mitsi EVO and Merc C320 were towed off.
I suspect if a Skoda had gone wrong it would have enjoyed similar remarks though as a reputation often endures!

[alanfordtw-15]

Originally Posted by Mike1

For me, newer cars just don't have the inate 'rawness' of the mid/late 80s cars. New enough to have the modern things like ABS, electric windows, 5-speed box, modern injection and ignition for reliable starting/running................but still with a bit of soul in them . If they hadn't made the Sapphire/3-door Cossie I'd have something like the E30 M3/ Merc 2.5-16 in my garage...................but I went for the faster car
The Sierra has enough "build quality"/gadgets for me, nothing falls off in daily use and I love driving it.
I've had newer BMs etc as a daily runner...........but they don't interest me as much as my old Ford

spot on, they are new enough to have all the fancy stuff but still just simple, engine/gearbox/back axel cars, which makes them far more about the driver and what he can do with em

[mechanic28]

i will wait and see what following the current evo 9/10 and the scoobys have in 20 years time and see how realiable they are,and how good they are compared the modern car of that time!

Only then can we really compare

[Martin Hadland]

Originally Posted by Chip

I love cossies and always well but the reality is that at castle combe on saturday when I was watching them Si B was lapping quicker in his fast road evo on road legal tyres with a full interior than Martin Hadland was in his massively modified escort, the evo is simply a better car, its not anti ford to say so, its just accurate.

Just spotted this!! Chip did you really think I was running anywhere near flat out lol!!
I knew some plonker would time my car and make a judgement without knowing the facts!

[ReeceRS]

i watched a 3door, an evo and a caterham race round and they wasnt holding back , they was on it, yet the 3door is over 20 years old and has to be driven by the driver not through a computer.

im only young and i love fords, i dont think there is anything better than a escort or 3door, my dad likes em, my borthers love em and i should really like evos and scoobs (the newer generation) but i dont, to easy to drive, to many about, will dye out and be forgotten in years to come. just my opinion lol

[chameleon]

a proper set up cossie will piss all over evo's and the like,as martin has said he wasnt trying and why would he bother would be like racing a mini metro off the lights yawn cant be bothered................i have only driven my three door once on a track day i was invited to, left evo's,suburu's,rs4,and 355 challenge cars on slicks.
wasnt invited again lol.
even had a rolled up black flag pointed at me and was told not to go that fast wtf...................ps didnt know you were only in birmingham martin.

[Chip]

Originally Posted by Martin Hadland

Just spotted this!! Chip did you really think I was running anywhere near flat out lol!!
I knew some plonker would time my car and make a judgement without knowing the facts!

No mate, I assumed you had some issues, after all Lee did a 1:13 in an arguably lesser car, but that doesnt change my comment on the day, cars have to be reliable to be quick after all

What sort of laptime do you think your car has in it if its working correctly then mate?
Reckon you can get down under the 1:10s with the evos on slicks?

[AlexF]

Originally Posted by Si B

Exactly!
I still like the cars, and the people on this site are why I'm still here

Si

Same!!

If you want to talk only about ford's then your on the wrong site LOL

Try RSOC

[bristol_fez]

i suppose as a BMW owner i will have my say and probably get shot down.

I always owned fords from my first car to my last car however i was put in a situation where i needed a reliable daily driver and my RST was simply not that and was gutted to sell it. so i bought a BMW and i agree it does not have the driving thrill my "old" fords had. the case is fords have there plus point but so do most other car makes.

I have never slagged someone elses ford off saying my BM this....etc

i still love my fords and when i am in a situation to buy another i will, but can we not all accept that we are all car enthusiasts and enjoy the positive things this site provides for all its members (knowledge, info, banter, community etc)

[Chip]

Originally Posted by chameleon

a proper set up cossie will piss all over evo's and the like

Not seen much time attack or ten of the best etc then mate?