ECUs - Pectel T6 Vs Motec Vs Autronics

[dumped]

Not looking for "closed loop" arguements just the technically best product for money. I know that its as much down to who and how its setup but would like to start with the best box for the money. Comparing them - cant find too much info on T6 about resolution etc but offers some v good features such as multimaps etc for later. T6 and Autronics both advertise knock control. I cant find anything about the autronic modules that are needed to run it? T6 and Motec both run 32bit processers where as autronics is 16bit. Does this have a direct effect on resolution as the Motec has a higher Res than the autronics. The more Resolution the better i can only think. With T6 you can get pectel to do you your cossie plug in brand new loom where as motec and autronics give you a kit - but wouldnt be too much bother. Pectel seem to charge for software etc and may come out super expensive? All seem to allow any injectors, "think" most can do fully sequential 8 injectors setups if wanted. All can do wideband, closed loop, boost control etc. I have narrowed it to this 3 for support/reliability/availability in the UK. Was looking at other like AEM etc but dont trust reliability/service in UK etc Again please dont shout pure results as that has many factors and all are used in a variety of fields very sucessfully Thanks for any input from anyone that has experience with them. Martin

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[Sanchez_]

i use dta p8 on my cossie and seems to be a very good ecu but doesnt knock sense GARETH T uses the t6 and recons its the best thing since sliced bread so give him a shout he will give a good idea about them

cheers jay

[Mike Rainbird]

I would personally chose T6 for the reasons you have already listed above and T6 also has built in coil-pack drivers, facility for traction control, nitros control (so you could run as a dry system with big injectors).

[ian sibbert]

Used Motec and Pectel....both are excellent but I have found customer support better from Pectel.....although deskpro looks a little dated it is very easy to use......I would and am using a T6.....

[Mark Shead]

The bits have nothing to do with speed. This is one of the biggest misconception's out there. The bits relate to the math calculation. Most of the calculations done by ECU's are 8 bit, with some 16 bit. There there no point having a 32 bit if it is mostly doing 8 bit calculations.

The Autronic has a complex VE table other Ecu's have this but from what I have seen the Autronic one is more right
This makes the mapping of the Fuel table very easy
This is based on comp ratio/cyl size/Injector size, then you put your AF req in a 9 by 7 target table, then your fuel table is 32 by 16 with this set correctly you acutaly only need about half the rev/load points in the fuel table you think you need as the Ecu always target a certain Inj pulse,
The Ignition table is also seperate from the fuel table so load/rpm points can be placed where you want them,
Traction control will be just a chip upgrade when ready,
Looms these are now being custom made for drop in fitment like a standard loom,
Any other questions please ask.

Thanks Mark

[dumped]

Pricing wouldnt go a miss complete packages

Autronics - ECU, CDI and loom - anything else needed? Also Mark can you tell me about the knock control stuff as their site advertises it but cant find the actual modules etc - is it a future expansion or already out there?

Motec - anyone know? Think its a bit pricey?

T6 - Is deffo pricey! - mike you must know? T6 and loom?

Also resolution is now becoming fuzzy - cheers Mark LOL

I was looking at base maps - but all 3 do so many things it gets muddled lol.

So thats good customer service for pectel. And I'm sure Mark is V helpful for autronics as every customer is happy Motec - Have read things about training programs and other weird stuff

[Mark Shead]

dumped

The Knock control is under going testing now, It will be a plug in board in the Ecu that you can set how much and when to take and re introduce the Ignition and fuel you want to add or take out,
There is a Efi training seminar at the end of the month that the Dyno Dymanics man has sorted with EFI 101,
I did the Motec program over 5 years ago didnt help me as I aready knew what they were teaching,
Customer service I hope mine is good, and I will pick up the phone @1030 on a sunday night, Or Boxing day as it happend .
Will Pm price

Mark

[rapidcossie]

IMO the autronic and support mark offers is defo good value for money...

[Mike Rainbird]

Martin,
Brand new T6 is just over Ł2k. Loom is Ł600 ish for 4 injector and Ł700 ish for 8.

[Mike Rainbird]

Originally Posted by rapidcossie

IMO the autronic and support mark offers is defo good value for money...

Plus he can play with yours on the dyno to get an idea of how it works .

[markk]

my take on the choices above are that pectel ( i have used this) have 'been there - done that' with there ecu's the T6 being the upper middle of the range - and out classes the likes of autronic for functions. the thing that would put me off using autronic ( cost not coming into this equation ) is the likes of the 'add ons' that mark talks about. these are obviously new to autronic , and although im sure they would have been tested before being introduced , they are still new add-ons and subsequently may be subject to revision as the product goes out to mass use , the motec - i have no experiance of , but the track record is certainly there.

IF i ever changed ecu, it would be T6 without a doubt - its totally the complete ecu all in one - no extra's no add-ons , no compromise-and proven in motorsport.

i have used DTA P8 - and this would be at the bottom of my list im afraid for usability

[dumped]

Yeah I meant the fact that if you hadnt done the motec course maybe they were not as helpful for service? I would hope AVA never had to go on it as they make their own ECUs and this will be a stop gap once we reach the limit of theirs... although I'm quite sure they could make workarounds I would like them to concentrate on my engine etc and finish their new evolution as a package.

I have no doubt on marks service as i have seen it on other boards - eg MLR etc as well as here

Another feature that might be useful is having 2 fully mapped seperate boost outputs. - I think both T6 and autronics can be setup to do this as all these ecu have a million mapped outputs.

[Pf Admin]

Originally Posted by madevelopments

Customer service I hope mine is good, and I will pick up the phone @1030 on a sunday night, Or Boxing day as it happend
Mark

And on new years day as i found out

As far as customer service goes mate you just cant go wrong with Mark, i've never dealt with a more helpful person ever in my life!
I'll never go anywhere else when it comes to modding cars as to me customer service (after sales backup) is important & i've called Mark a few times after he he installed & mapped my autronic for stuff that wasnt even autronic related & he's helped me out no probs!!

Mark -

[markk]

dumped

Another feature that might be useful is having 2 fully mapped seperate boost outputs. - I think both T6 and autronics can be setup to do this as all these ecu have a million mapped outputs.

i have this on P8 - two separate maps for differant turbo's

[dumped]

I need to run the 2 seperate boost maps simultaneously(sp lol) Might even be 3 actually lol!

Hence flexability is quite high on the list

[markk]

Originally Posted by dumped

I need to run the 2 seperate boost maps simultaneously(sp lol) Might even be 3 actually lol!

Hence flexability is quite high on the list

not sure this can be done even on T6 ? tho i wouldnt be surprised if it can - that functions of T6 is mega

[dumped]

See i think you might be able to do it through configurable outputs - but not sure - maybe Stu has some ideas on it? I dont NEED need it, it would just be a nice option as i dont want that T88 running away with my engine! lol

[Anonymous]

dumped....surely the back up service is one of the most important features of an ECU???...and as you list Autronic in your top 3 i think you know the answer.


...but dont get too excited ECU sellers his car has been in development since 1992...just be on stand by in and around 2015.

[Fiecos Dan]

is for Marks Service, and helpfullness

Top bloke

[Tony Turbo]

Omex 710 runs closed loop - Another option for you.

[DazC]

Originally Posted by Tony Turbo

Omex 710 runs closed loop - Another option for you.

Shame he wasn't interested in closed loop!

Price quoted middle of last year.

New T6 2000 is Ł2095, plus VAT and delivery

[Ian M500COS]

I would personally use the Pectel T6-2000.

All the top private race/rally teams use T6 or T6-2000 if they can afford it - and that seems to be the main factor here, the cost!

They do not use any other budget ECU. And I do not mean to sound snobbish by this statement. The Pectel is the best by far on the grounds of the research and development behind it and I think that most other ECU purchases are based on cost alone and also there is more profit to be made on these cheaper ECU's hence why they are marketed with such enthusiasm!!

These are my views only. No offence to individuals intended!

[davidreader5]

HI,

Motec uk seem slow or very busy in getting back to you on ecu problems,
but Motec australia spot on, just like there based in the uk.
no knock sensor facility, but covers everything else from individual cyl
trim, to warning alarms.

Dave R.

[dumped]

My other worry with pectel is reliability - dont know autronics but have heard of tons of gripes with lots of older pectel stuff and heard of lots of burst rally car stuff - even T6s... but then you kind of expect that. Also know of people having faults with brand new pectel looms.

Think i will ban motec so its a 2 horse race as poor support - high price dont go

Both Autronics and Pectel have ace support ace features etc.

Can see some coin tossing coming up.

Phil my car did 1000odd miles last year on the road and probably over 1000more on the rollers so its not as stagnent as you think

.... Still have to actually reach the limit of the current setup too!

Thanks for good opinions and experiences

Martin

[Micky The Finn]

ive never ever had a fault with a T6,been ultra reliable for me and ive put them under pressure a fair few times.

[dumped]

Is T6 software a dongle job or not as it would be good to see what features it actually has - table sizes etc as their site is not in depth enough. Should hopefully be seeing autronics soon so that base is covered.

[Stu @ M Developments]

I did a comprehensive post on Pectel T6 once, VERY comprehensive....

But i cant find it

[Martin-Hadland]

Originally Posted by dumped

Is T6 software a dongle job or not as it would be good to see what features it actually has - table sizes etc as their site is not in depth enough. Should hopefully be seeing autronics soon so that base is covered.

T6 2000 does not need a dongle but if you buy an ex ford motorsport s/hand ecu then you might need a dongle (not available!) to map these.

Table sizes are up to 24 user configurable breakpoints for both speed and pressure.

hope this helps.

[Stu @ M Developments]

Found teh bugger after 25mins searching

http://www.passionford.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=89902

[GARETH T]

for anyone who wants too have a look at the descpro calibration software user manual ive uploaded it here

right click save target as

im a massive lover of the t6! truely is a piece of engineering! sadly the price do reflect that

[Tony Turbo]

Originally Posted by DazC

Shame he wasn't interested in closed loop!

Price quoted middle of last year.

Oooooooops, misread it.......

I'll be off now

[GARETH T]

you really need to talk to whos doing the mapping for you,, as im sure they have there fav, and know there way round one system better than others as that (for me) is half the battle

[ian sibbert]

Never had a failure of any sort with a T6. All been used under very arduous conditions....and as martin says you dont need a dongle...in fact if you get a s/h ecu you can have the protection removed by pectel....

[dumped]

My tuner is happy to use what ever i throw their way as they have good experience with different systems - hence wanting to start with the best box of tricks for the price Although being easier to use is of course an advantage and Autronics seems a much more user friendly system.

So many different points to consider etc.... These things aint that easy lol.

Cheers for link stu will get reading

Martin

[dumped]

There Stu read it all for you.... lol - I have posted on there too so Phil was right! that is a painful admission if ever i saw one!

Cheers for the link Gareth

[dumped]

So can Stu / Mark tell me if boost could be closed loop controlled on 2 different turbos to their own map on T6 or Autronics? So you have 2 sets of soleniods or air injectors to control induvidually and the boost map is different if that makes sense?

Cheers

Martin

[GARETH T]

Originally Posted by dumped

So can Stu / Mark tell me if boost could be closed loop controlled on 2 different turbos to their own map on T6 or Autronics? So you have 2 sets of soleniods or air injectors to control induvidually and the boost map is different if that makes sense?

Cheers

Martin

ive just emailed a contact at pectel for you mate

[dumped]

Ace I would have phoned them before purchase - I reckon it can as its so configurable but would be nice to know Kind of odd request lol


Cheers big style.



Martin

[Sanchez_]

Originally Posted by markk

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i have used DTA P8 - and this would be at the bottom of my list im afraid for usability

true it aint the easiest to use i tend to get the integeral parts of the map in then log the rest to fine tune it but saying that its a nice ecu

cheers jay

[Versus_Creations]

How can you compare Pectel to anything else above!