ECUs - Pectel T6 Vs Motec Vs Autronics - Page 2

GARETH T · 10-01-2006, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jano_OddKidd

How can you compare Pectel to anything else above!

because they are all ECU's... but yes one is better than the others

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dumped · 10-01-2006, 12:32 PM

Its all down to features Vs Cost Vs Ease of use - and the fact I want to run some odd configs if poss

Data logging on the autronics is easy as pie - is this the same on T6 - dont need to buy extra software / memory etc?

rapidcossie · 10-01-2006, 03:50 PM

i was supplied with a copy of the new software to run my autronics free of charge

how much is the pectel software??

**Stu @ M Developments** · 10-01-2006, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by rapidcossie

how much is the pectel software??

Free.

rapidcossie · 10-01-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments

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Originally Posted by rapidcossie

how much is the pectel software??

Free.

cool stu.

i always thought it was hard to get hold of??

**Stu @ M Developments** · 10-01-2006, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rapidcossie

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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments

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Originally Posted by rapidcossie

how much is the pectel software??

Free.

cool stu.

i always thought it was hard to get hold of??

Some of you boys are getting VERY confused betwene the old early 1980s Pectel ADD ON CONVERSIONS for Marelli COSWORTH Ecu's and their full blown world class ECU's of 2006 here i think

**Stu @ M Developments** · 10-01-2006, 04:12 PM

Description of Pectel add ons 15+years ago:
http://www.passionford.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=166532

Pectel in 2006
http://www.pectel.co.uk/

dumped · 10-01-2006, 04:22 PM

So 2 simultaneous boost maps anyone? lol

I know the old pectel stuff is closed doors - was not sure if new pectel stuff was as they advertise so many datalogging systems.

Stu - where can i get the T6 software to get a look at its ease of operation etc?

Cheers
Martin

**Stu @ M Developments** · 10-01-2006, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dumped

So 2 simultaneous boost maps anyone? lol

Stu - where can i get the T6 software to get a look at its ease of operation etc?

Cheers
Martin

Sorry pal, never tried that, and without looking through it extensively wont be easy to answer your question, but im honestly thinking not... interesting proposition.....

As for the software, e-mail me and il send it you.

dumped · 10-01-2006, 05:32 PM

Yeah thought it might be a bit of a tricky one LOL

PM sending - cheers muchos for help

Martin

Turby2 · 10-01-2006, 05:46 PM

To be totally honest once you get to using any of these aforementioned ECU's the result is down to the skill of the guy installing and mapping it... a badly installed and mapped T10 would likely be a lot worse than a well mapped Motec or Autronic.

markk · 10-01-2006, 07:08 PM

thinking about this twin boost control system, im almost sure it has some feature that can be used, in rallycross two pairs of air injectors ae used on each side of the external wastegates, one for the opening ranges and one for closed sides, so independant control must be used - unless there used reversed on one map ?? but i doubt it

ian sibbert · 10-01-2006, 07:12 PM

remember the actuator we looked at mark?

Mark Shead · 10-01-2006, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by markk

thinking about this twin boost control system, im almost sure it has some feature that can be used, in rallycross two pairs of air injectors ae used on each side of the external wastegates, one for the opening ranges and one for closed sides, so independant control must be used - unless there used reversed on one map ?? but i doubt it

To do that is easy

just waiting to see what he acctuly wants it do with his boost control.

Mark

markk · 10-01-2006, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sibster

remember the actuator we looked at mark?

certainly do pal !!

T6 will do it

markk · 10-01-2006, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by madevelopments

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Originally Posted by markk

thinking about this twin boost control system, im almost sure it has some feature that can be used, in rallycross two pairs of air injectors ae used on each side of the external wastegates, one for the opening ranges and one for closed sides, so independant control must be used - unless there used reversed on one map ?? but i doubt it

To do that is easy

just waiting to see what he acctuly wants it do with his boost control.

Mark

im thinking he's looking at using multiple forced induction devices

dumped · 10-01-2006, 07:20 PM

Nah trying something a bit more complex

Over my head though lol. Just imagine having 2 turbos,2 wastegates and wanting to have a very different mapped boost curve for both of them. Think its probably over the top but would be nice to have

Mark Shead · 10-01-2006, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dumped

Nah trying something a bit more complex

Over my head though lol. Just imagine having 2 turbos,2 wastegates and wanting to have a very different mapped boost curve for both of them. Think its probably over the top but would be nice to have

Yes it can be done with the outputs in the Ecu.

Mark

DazC · 10-01-2006, 11:24 PM

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where can i get the T6 software to get a look at its ease of operation etc?

I take it you missed Gareths post on page 1 then!?

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Originally Posted by GARETH T

for anyone who wants too have a look at the descpro calibration software user manual ive uploaded it here

right click save target as

im a massive lover of the t6! truely is a piece of engineering! sadly the price do reflect that

GARETH T · 10-01-2006, 11:37 PM

descpro cant run two wastegates with two different closed loop maps!

but they will write the software for you

but it could take 5 programming days at 500 quid a day

stu are you sure descpro is still free? i know it comes with ecus,, but without its 350 quid

Martin-Hadland · 10-01-2006, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GARETH T

stu are you sure descpro is still free? i know it comes with ecus,, there than they its 350 quid

its still free with an ecu

GARETH T · 10-01-2006, 11:56 PM

thanks martin,, ive edited my post as i wrote

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there than they its 350 quid

PMSL must get more sleep

dumped · 11-01-2006, 12:47 PM

Cheers for help everyone - Reading there sites and sales stuff just does not go into the detail I was looking for

Martin

ian sibbert · 11-01-2006, 10:53 PM

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=258735

I know this is subaru biased but the explanations for all the ecu's being compared are good

Unfortunately no Autronics....

GARETH T · 12-01-2006, 12:23 PM

sibster

nice find

**Sanchez_** · 14-01-2006, 12:03 PM

just had a look at the t6 software the ecu package is one massive piece of kit init and the only thing that crosses my mind is well its a bit like having a heart surgen workin at burger king to fit fit sumat like this to a modified road car unless u get one cheap lol

cheers jay

James-W · 14-01-2006, 12:51 PM

Hello,
M400 £1495.00
M800 £1850.00

The older style M4 and M48 can still be supplied and used if you need
something a little cheaper. M4 £895.00, M48 £1160.00

Add ons e.g wide band lambda M400 and M800 £465
M800 advanced tuning £260.00 (includes anti lag, launch control, full
throttle gear shift, traction control, pit lane speed limiter, etc

Additional logging features are extra.
Steve (kaliber cossie) runs Motec M4 on his new 600bhp Brooklyn engine.

pauljh · 29-08-2009, 08:02 PM

I take it when you guys say a new T6 is stillavailable you are talking about the T6 replacement the SQ6??

Roscco · 29-08-2009, 08:27 PM

^^^ This thread is nearly 4 years old

DazC · 30-08-2009, 12:34 AM

apart from the fact that this thread is ancient history, the t6 2000 was still available for a few years after the sq6 was launched.

Will Pedley · 30-08-2009, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dumped

Was looking at other like AEM etc but dont trust reliability/service in UK etc

AEM is growing fast in the UK, when i got my AEM ECU there were only a couple of people in the UK who knew it inside out - now theres a good few dozen!

However, to be completely truthful, the 3 ECU's you've narrowed it to are definitely the 'top end' of the available units.

I spent 2 hours the other day reviewing a customers datalog from a 20 lap race on Motec and was gobsmacked at the sheer volume of data, sampling rate etc. Very impressive!

Autronic is very good as well, good datalogging properties, slightly different to work with but great UK support from Mark.

Pectel - i think T6 2000 has now been replaced with SQ6? Again, outstanding support, specification etc. BUT as you've already found, the 'bolt ons' for closed loop, launch control, etc. etc. soon rack the cost up.

Have you considered Life Racing F88R/F88RS?

Will Pedley · 30-08-2009, 09:13 AM

Just seen the dates

DazC · 30-08-2009, 10:59 AM

you're 3 years too late will!

600bhp escos · 30-08-2009, 11:04 AM

anyway although your 4 years late will your right the f88 is the best imo,,danny

DazC · 30-08-2009, 11:40 AM

thats whats running my car at the moment.

600bhp escos · 30-08-2009, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DazC

thats whats running my car at the moment.

yep iv had mine since this post was done..lol..better than al the above..i also have al the software..danny

DazC · 30-08-2009, 11:58 AM

mines been on a month. Just been trying to get it driveable from a map completely unsuitable for the car. I also had the interesting task of trying to get it running as well! The software is pretty simple to use though and quite impressive. I'm getting used to all the key shortcuts so i don't really use the mouse much.

M K · 30-08-2009, 03:16 PM

how much is the f88? f88rs?

Danny @ Enhanced Performance · 30-08-2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by M K

how much is the f88? f88rs?

the f88 rs is 1495+ and then you need a loom built mine cost 600 but thats a 8 injector militry spec...theres news of a nice bit of kit from swiss land very soon that will do almost everything these others offer but will plug straight into our looms...i will get some tech spec up soon but its going to be very easy to use with various base maps etc...looking at around 1500 al in plug and play cheers danny

DazC · 31-08-2009, 01:19 AM

i think the full f88 is about 2300. The rs is about 1640 inc vat.

10-01-2006, 03:50 PM	#43
rapidcossie 10K+ Poster!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: May 2004 Location: scotland Posts: 14,922 Rep Power: 22	i was supplied with a copy of the new software to run my autronics free of charge how much is the pectel software?? __________________ Euan Fastest Sierra in Scotland 188.1 mph at brunters in the wet Built,tuned and prepared by AVA turbos

10-01-2006, 04:12 PM	#47
Stu @ M Developments PassionFords Creator Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (12) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Blackpool, UK Destination: Rev limiter Posts: 26,346 Rep Power: 36	Description of Pectel add ons 15+years ago: http://www.passionford.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=166532 Pectel in 2006 http://www.pectel.co.uk/ __________________ Best Regards, Stu . Click here to read my tuning articles. . Click here to visit our Brand NEW webshop. Find us on FaceBook.

10-01-2006, 07:08 PM	#52
markk PassionFord Post Whore!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (2) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Lancs Posts: 9,035 Rep Power: 18	thinking about this twin boost control system, im almost sure it has some feature that can be used, in rallycross two pairs of air injectors ae used on each side of the external wastegates, one for the opening ranges and one for closed sides, so independant control must be used - unless there used reversed on one map ?? but i doubt it __________________ *'' Classic rock ! www.vankwish.co.uk

10-01-2006, 11:37 PM	#60
GARETH T Professional Waffler Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: May 2003 Location: barry-south wales Posts: 30,675 Rep Power: 39	descpro cant run two wastegates with two different closed loop maps! but they will write the software for you but it could take 5 programming days at 500 quid a day stu are you sure descpro is still free? i know it comes with ecus,, but without its 350 quid __________________

12-01-2006, 12:23 PM	#65
GARETH T Professional Waffler Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: May 2003 Location: barry-south wales Posts: 30,675 Rep Power: 39	sibster nice find __________________

10-01-2006, 12:32 PM	#42
dumped Advanced PassionFord User Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,978 Rep Power: 10	Its all down to features Vs Cost Vs Ease of use - and the fact I want to run some odd configs if poss Data logging on the autronics is easy as pie - is this the same on T6 - dont need to buy extra software / memory etc?

10-01-2006, 04:22 PM	#48
dumped Advanced PassionFord User Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,978 Rep Power: 10	So 2 simultaneous boost maps anyone? lol I know the old pectel stuff is closed doors - was not sure if new pectel stuff was as they advertise so many datalogging systems. Stu - where can i get the T6 software to get a look at its ease of operation etc? Cheers Martin

10-01-2006, 05:32 PM	#50
dumped Advanced PassionFord User Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,978 Rep Power: 10	Yeah thought it might be a bit of a tricky one LOL PM sending - cheers muchos for help Martin

10-01-2006, 05:46 PM	#51
Turby2 Part of the Furniture Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 166 Rep Power: 7	To be totally honest once you get to using any of these aforementioned ECU's the result is down to the skill of the guy installing and mapping it... a badly installed and mapped T10 would likely be a lot worse than a well mapped Motec or Autronic.

10-01-2006, 07:12 PM	#53
ian sibbert Advanced PassionFord User Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Lancaster, Lancs Posts: 1,786 Rep Power: 9	remember the actuator we looked at mark?

10-01-2006, 07:20 PM	#57
dumped Advanced PassionFord User Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,978 Rep Power: 10	Nah trying something a bit more complex Over my head though lol. Just imagine having 2 turbos,2 wastegates and wanting to have a very different mapped boost curve for both of them. Think its probably over the top but would be nice to have

11-01-2006, 12:47 PM	#63
dumped Advanced PassionFord User Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,978 Rep Power: 10	Cheers for help everyone - Reading there sites and sales stuff just does not go into the detail I was looking for Martin

11-01-2006, 10:53 PM	#64
ian sibbert Advanced PassionFord User Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Lancaster, Lancs Posts: 1,786 Rep Power: 9	http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=258735 I know this is subaru biased but the explanations for all the ecu's being compared are good Unfortunately no Autronics....

14-01-2006, 12:03 PM	#66
Sanchez_ Super Moderator Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (3) Join Date: May 2004 Location: south east Posts: 15,269 Rep Power: 23	just had a look at the t6 software the ecu package is one massive piece of kit init and the only thing that crosses my mind is well its a bit like having a heart surgen workin at burger king to fit fit sumat like this to a modified road car unless u get one cheap lol cheers jay __________________

14-01-2006, 12:51 PM	#67
James-W PassionFord Post Whore!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,309 Rep Power: 13	Hello, M400 £1495.00 M800 £1850.00 The older style M4 and M48 can still be supplied and used if you need something a little cheaper. M4 £895.00, M48 £1160.00 Add ons e.g wide band lambda M400 and M800 £465 M800 advanced tuning £260.00 (includes anti lag, launch control, full throttle gear shift, traction control, pit lane speed limiter, etc Additional logging features are extra. Steve (kaliber cossie) runs Motec M4 on his new 600bhp Brooklyn engine.

29-08-2009, 08:02 PM	#68
pauljh I'm Finding My Feet Here Now Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: essex Posts: 102 Rep Power: 5	T6 I take it when you guys say a new T6 is stillavailable you are talking about the T6 replacement the SQ6??

29-08-2009, 08:27 PM	#69
Roscco Livin' [H]ard & Fast Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 559 Rep Power: 5	^^^ This thread is nearly 4 years old

30-08-2009, 12:34 AM	#70
DazC 10K+ Poster!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Lancashire Posts: 12,341 Rep Power: 21	apart from the fact that this thread is ancient history, the t6 2000 was still available for a few years after the sq6 was launched.

30-08-2009, 09:13 AM	#72
Will Pedley Borg Warner EFR Equipped! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: In the unit, building a 450bhp Time Attack Focus! Posts: 5,639 Rep Power: 12	Just seen the dates __________________ Sierra Cosworth RS500 Time Attack Focus ST170 E46 330d Touring Take a look at my Time Attack build!

30-08-2009, 10:59 AM	#73
DazC 10K+ Poster!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Lancashire Posts: 12,341 Rep Power: 21	you're 3 years too late will!

30-08-2009, 11:04 AM	#74
600bhp escos BANNED BANNED Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: horsham Posts: 156 Rep Power: 0	anyway although your 4 years late will your right the f88 is the best imo,,danny

30-08-2009, 11:40 AM	#75
DazC 10K+ Poster!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Lancashire Posts: 12,341 Rep Power: 21	thats whats running my car at the moment.

30-08-2009, 11:58 AM	#77
DazC 10K+ Poster!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Lancashire Posts: 12,341 Rep Power: 21	mines been on a month. Just been trying to get it driveable from a map completely unsuitable for the car. I also had the interesting task of trying to get it running as well! The software is pretty simple to use though and quite impressive. I'm getting used to all the key shortcuts so i don't really use the mouse much.

30-08-2009, 03:16 PM	#78
M K PassionFord Post Whore!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (8) Join Date: May 2004 Location: Essex Posts: 8,751 Rep Power: 16	how much is the f88? f88rs? __________________

31-08-2009, 01:19 AM	#80
DazC 10K+ Poster!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Lancashire Posts: 12,341 Rep Power: 21	i think the full f88 is about 2300. The rs is about 1640 inc vat.

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