A Stark Warning to all Modified Car Owners.... - Page 4

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**Stu @ M Developments** · 07-02-2006, 06:13 PM

Turby2 · 07-02-2006, 06:24 PM

Just looked up the specs for the gauge - its says 2 seconds interval per channel... is that sufficient for monitoring purposes ?

Ginge ! · 07-02-2006, 07:12 PM

stu this is a interesting post and gives me a idea

how can i test a fuel pump for its flow ect,,, not in the car for obvious reasons

**Stu @ M Developments** · 21-03-2006, 09:16 AM

You run it into a container with the fuel pump relay bridged, but to me, its a pretty poor test.

**Sanchez_** · 21-03-2006, 09:20 AM

its a piss poor test as the pump isnt under normal conditions

B11GNS · 21-03-2006, 10:26 AM

Glad i got my 044 pump before i had the work done now, a small price to pay for a safer engine!

**Stu @ M Developments** · 07-08-2006, 11:40 AM

BTTT for a usefull topic.

**Stu @ M Developments** · 14-09-2006, 09:36 AM

BTTT for Kevin.

Kevin B · 14-09-2006, 09:39 AM

Thanks Stu - will have a read at Lunch

heeman10 · 28-09-2006, 03:49 PM

And this is nudging me to get my car back to you for a set-up Stu...it's been just over a year and around 5-6,000 miles since Kenny mapped my red 1800 ZT Fiesta and it was a little rich for the MOT last month and smells it too. No problems with it whatsoever, but wouldn't mind everything being checked with the correct instrumentation

heeman10 · 28-09-2006, 04:01 PM

P.S. From experience Stu, what sort of life would you predict for a sensor such as the one supplied with the Dynojet kit if it were to be left in the exhaust and powered every time the car was driven, say 3,000 miles a year, rather than being installed and powered for the odd check-up run only?

**Stu @ M Developments** · 28-09-2006, 04:04 PM

Hard to say fella, but i tested mine against my PRO one recently and its done the last 6Kmiles with no problems whatsoever mate.

The sensors for this unit are quite reasonably priced too, around £50 from memory.

heeman10 · 28-09-2006, 04:07 PM

£50 isn't bad at all! Thanks for that, I had images of ratio displays going haywire after two months' use, but they clearly are intended for long-term use like this

I guess you should be able to expect a year or so of a lambda sensor on a dyno anyway.

foreigneRS · 28-09-2006, 04:45 PM

the sensors are OE fitment on many turbocharged vehicles from VAG and are made by bosch - so they are pretty reliable if not abused

**Sanchez_** · 28-09-2006, 10:07 PM

ive shagged the tits outa my vag one and its still proper after 8 months

**Stu @ M Developments** · 07-11-2006, 08:06 AM

**Sanchez_** · 07-11-2006, 08:51 AM

I just reread my last post

do you think I've gota grip on putting things in a trchy way now pmsl

must read post before clicking submit

Gary F · 07-11-2006, 10:05 AM

Stu how often am I ment to get my car checked and set up?

avid-fan · 08-11-2006, 04:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments

BTTT for a usefull topic.

agree

dojj · 08-11-2006, 06:52 AM

i have to admit defeat due to bafflement at some of the numbers and words used in here

can anyone explain this in a simple way?
or is it too complex a subject to cover in a single post of less than about 5 million lines?

the reason i ask is that it seems to be a nice bit of kit, and, from what i can figureo out, you drill a hole, weld the boss to it to take the lambda and then just fiddle with the setting on the box (assuming everything comes with the kit right?)

but wouldn't you need to drive it about a bit to see what you were getting first before setting the box up to flash at the strange numbers?

i do understand the bit about the afr being different on the road as opposed to being on a dyno but it's all the numbers that are making my head hurt, is ther a safe set of paramiters to run the basic set up at and then get it checked over by someone who knows what they are doing? will it be set at these right out of the box?? what if i don't have a lap top? does that render the kit useless? if i am to run it on a V6 do i need 2?
etc, etc

cheers in advance

dojj · 08-11-2006, 06:53 AM

one more thing, afr, what do the numbers mean?
assuming that the first number is the air and the second is the fuel right?

**Sanchez_** · 08-11-2006, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dojj

one more thing, afr, what do the numbers mean?
assuming that the first number is the air and the second is the fuel right?

correct dojj

dojj · 08-11-2006, 05:54 PM

get in there!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ok, so what the £200 quesiton then?

Avinitlarge · 19-11-2006, 12:24 AM

Brill post, came at just the right time for me

Rick · 19-11-2006, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dojj

one more thing, afr, what do the numbers mean?
assuming that the first number is the air and the second is the fuel right?

it relates to the MASS of each quantity. Example, 12:1 means that your engine is consuming 12kg of air for every 1kg of fuel.

M K · 19-11-2006, 01:37 AM

so how is the afr in my dyno sheet described as my 1st number is 0???

Rick · 19-11-2006, 01:46 AM

M K

Urs is in lambda. Multiply the numer in urs by 14.7. eg 0.85 x 14.7 = 12.5.

A little lean imo.

M K · 19-11-2006, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

M K

Urs is in lambda. Multiply the numer in urs by 14.7. eg 0.85 x 14.7 = 12.5.

A little lean imo.

cheers rick

dojj · 19-11-2006, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Quote:

Originally Posted by dojj

one more thing, afr, what do the numbers mean?
assuming that the first number is the air and the second is the fuel right?

it relates to the MASS of each quantity. Example, 12:1 means that your engine is consuming 12kg of air for every 1kg of fuel.

sounds like fun then

so if you see figures outside certain paramiters you should be stopping and doing stuff like not giving it large out of side roads yes?

do the numbers have to be within a set limit for all engines or would you have set paramiters for each individual application?

cressy · 19-11-2006, 07:22 PM

i`m running a wrc pump so should be ok

**Sanchez_** · 15-03-2007, 06:10 PM

after the recent rolling road day i noticed i had a fuel pressure drop of around 10 psi , so ithought ill fit 2 pumps as i might be asking to much from one standard item . Well i fitted the second one then found the fuel pressure was dropping worse .So i set about checking voltage at the pumps it was low so rewired it (thaks diva ) for the advice but still no change! so after the usual fucking cossie bunch a shite monkey shagging wreck abuse i spoke to stu first about it he said check the regulator and said he could have a new ford item with me in the morning

but pete rs specailists had a aftermarket jobbie on the shelf so opted for that after hearing that cossie ones can be a nusance .

Anyway good job i did as turned up the reg to see what happened to it at idle. so i got it up to 60 psi and it leaked fuel from the body badly

and by all account it has been like it for ages ive had to remove up to 20% off the boost fueling on the map due to the fact it was compensating badly for my knackered fuel system

so as stu as warned about the pump and voltage im warning you about these issues and if its a toss up between a new stereo or some gauges get yourself a afr gauge and a fuel pressure gauge as it will save your engine

RWD_cossie_wil · 15-03-2007, 06:39 PM

awsome thread

avid-fan · 16-03-2007, 12:38 AM

stu the blue light flashed ..when me and benni went for a test drive ..

but we where going a bit ...

its only ever done it once since i got it

do you think i should get my g/fs laptop and upload the software..and data log it

cars never really driven in anger ..and i use standard boost setting most of the time

**Stu @ M Developments** · 16-03-2007, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by avid-fan

Stu the blue light flashed ..when me and benni went for a test drive ..

but we where going a bit ...

its only ever done it once since i got it

do you think i should get my g/fs laptop and upload the software..and data log it

cars never really driven in anger ..and i use standard boost setting most of the time

Hope your still enjoying the old girl mate? i loved that car.

The warning settings on that controller were very very closely set and it was actually possibly to get her to just flash a 12.3:1 alarm as the boost climbed at a certain RPM in cold weather, i forgot which, but ignored it as it required a whole set of parameteres to all come together in one go, which was rare and would never create a damaging problem, so rest easy pal.

It is of course worth doing a 4th gear run in all boost settings just for peace of mind, or, if you want me to give her the once over one day, feel free to give me a call and book her in for a couple of hours. Would be great to take her for a little play.

avid-fan · 16-03-2007, 11:39 PM

cheers

**Stu @ M Developments** · 26-03-2007, 10:44 PM

NP Pal.

miller3 · 16-11-2007, 08:57 PM

**Stu @ M Developments** · 28-12-2009, 10:25 PM

BTTT for an interesting topic...

rsmat · 28-12-2009, 10:51 PM

quality read thanks stu.

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21-03-2006, 09:16 AM	#125
Stu @ M Developments PassionFords Creator Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (12) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Blackpool, UK Destination: Rev limiter Posts: 26,349 Rep Power: 36	You run it into a container with the fuel pump relay bridged, but to me, its a pretty poor test. __________________ Best Regards, Stu . Click here to read my tuning articles. . Click here to visit our Brand NEW webshop. Find us on FaceBook.

21-03-2006, 09:20 AM	#126
Sanchez_ Super Moderator Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (3) Join Date: May 2004 Location: south east Posts: 15,303 Rep Power: 23	its a piss poor test as the pump isnt under normal conditions __________________

21-03-2006, 10:26 AM	#127
B11GNS PassionFord Post Troll Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: my gaff Posts: 3,474 Rep Power: 12	Glad i got my 044 pump before i had the work done now, a small price to pay for a safer engine! __________________ Steve Focus RS number 2835 gone but not forgotten, now the owner of an orange st3 5dr As much as you can try to give those people, somehow it is nothing compared to what they live in their own mind, in their dreams..... Ayrton Senna

07-08-2006, 11:40 AM	#128
Stu @ M Developments PassionFords Creator Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (12) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Blackpool, UK Destination: Rev limiter Posts: 26,349 Rep Power: 36	BTTT for a usefull topic. __________________ Best Regards, Stu . Click here to read my tuning articles. . Click here to visit our Brand NEW webshop. Find us on FaceBook.

07-02-2006, 06:24 PM	#123
Turby2 Part of the Furniture Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 166 Rep Power: 7	Just looked up the specs for the gauge - its says 2 seconds interval per channel... is that sufficient for monitoring purposes ?

14-09-2006, 09:36 AM	#129
Stu @ M Developments PassionFords Creator Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (12) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Blackpool, UK Destination: Rev limiter Posts: 26,349 Rep Power: 36	BTTT for Kevin. __________________ Best Regards, Stu . Click here to read my tuning articles. . Click here to visit our Brand NEW webshop. Find us on FaceBook.

14-09-2006, 09:39 AM	#130
Kevin B PassionFord Regular Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Norwich Norfolk England Posts: 449 Rep Power: 9	Thanks Stu - will have a read at Lunch

28-09-2006, 03:49 PM	#131
heeman10 I've found that life I needed.. It's HERE!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Cumbria/Preston Posts: 1,297 Rep Power: 9	And this is nudging me to get my car back to you for a set-up Stu...it's been just over a year and around 5-6,000 miles since Kenny mapped my red 1800 ZT Fiesta and it was a little rich for the MOT last month and smells it too. No problems with it whatsoever, but wouldn't mind everything being checked with the correct instrumentation __________________ Zetec Turbo power

28-09-2006, 04:01 PM	#132
heeman10 I've found that life I needed.. It's HERE!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Cumbria/Preston Posts: 1,297 Rep Power: 9	P.S. From experience Stu, what sort of life would you predict for a sensor such as the one supplied with the Dynojet kit if it were to be left in the exhaust and powered every time the car was driven, say 3,000 miles a year, rather than being installed and powered for the odd check-up run only? __________________ Zetec Turbo power

28-09-2006, 04:04 PM	#133
Stu @ M Developments PassionFords Creator Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (12) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Blackpool, UK Destination: Rev limiter Posts: 26,349 Rep Power: 36	Hard to say fella, but i tested mine against my PRO one recently and its done the last 6Kmiles with no problems whatsoever mate. The sensors for this unit are quite reasonably priced too, around £50 from memory. __________________ Best Regards, Stu . Click here to read my tuning articles. . Click here to visit our Brand NEW webshop. Find us on FaceBook.

28-09-2006, 04:07 PM	#134
heeman10 I've found that life I needed.. It's HERE!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Cumbria/Preston Posts: 1,297 Rep Power: 9	£50 isn't bad at all! Thanks for that, I had images of ratio displays going haywire after two months' use, but they clearly are intended for long-term use like this I guess you should be able to expect a year or so of a lambda sensor on a dyno anyway. __________________ Zetec Turbo power

28-09-2006, 04:45 PM	#135
foreigneRS Testing the future Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: W. Sussex Posts: 16,086 Rep Power: 25	the sensors are OE fitment on many turbocharged vehicles from VAG and are made by bosch - so they are pretty reliable if not abused __________________ Nick It takes me less than 9 minutes RP Lab L8 ECU 1998 Puma 1.7 / 2002 Galaxy 2.3 LPG / 2007 Honda VFR800 VTEC / 1972 Honda C90

28-09-2006, 10:07 PM	#136
Sanchez_ Super Moderator Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (3) Join Date: May 2004 Location: south east Posts: 15,303 Rep Power: 23	ive shagged the tits outa my vag one and its still proper after 8 months __________________

07-11-2006, 08:06 AM	#137
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07-11-2006, 08:51 AM	#138
Sanchez_ Super Moderator Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (3) Join Date: May 2004 Location: south east Posts: 15,303 Rep Power: 23	I just reread my last post do you think I've gota grip on putting things in a trchy way now pmsl must read post before clicking submit __________________

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Gary F PassionFord Post Whore!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: South Shields Posts: 3,691 Rep Power: 10	Stu how often am I ment to get my car checked and set up? __________________

08-11-2006, 06:52 AM	#141
dojj Resident Wrestling Legend 1989 Ford Allegro Trader Score: (3) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Little India Posts: 39,354 Rep Power: 51	i have to admit defeat due to bafflement at some of the numbers and words used in here can anyone explain this in a simple way? or is it too complex a subject to cover in a single post of less than about 5 million lines? the reason i ask is that it seems to be a nice bit of kit, and, from what i can figureo out, you drill a hole, weld the boss to it to take the lambda and then just fiddle with the setting on the box (assuming everything comes with the kit right?) but wouldn't you need to drive it about a bit to see what you were getting first before setting the box up to flash at the strange numbers? i do understand the bit about the afr being different on the road as opposed to being on a dyno but it's all the numbers that are making my head hurt, is ther a safe set of paramiters to run the basic set up at and then get it checked over by someone who knows what they are doing? will it be set at these right out of the box?? what if i don't have a lap top? does that render the kit useless? if i am to run it on a V6 do i need 2? etc, etc cheers in advance __________________ Winner: Best Thread on Passionford 2007 How to Quickshift an MT75 Box don't forget i'm dyslexic peeps winning potatoes

08-11-2006, 06:53 AM	#142
dojj Resident Wrestling Legend 1989 Ford Allegro Trader Score: (3) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Little India Posts: 39,354 Rep Power: 51	one more thing, afr, what do the numbers mean? assuming that the first number is the air and the second is the fuel right? __________________ Winner: Best Thread on Passionford 2007 How to Quickshift an MT75 Box don't forget i'm dyslexic peeps winning potatoes

08-11-2006, 05:54 PM	#144
dojj Resident Wrestling Legend 1989 Ford Allegro Trader Score: (3) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Little India Posts: 39,354 Rep Power: 51	get in there!!!!!!!!!!!!! ok, so what the £200 quesiton then? __________________ Winner: Best Thread on Passionford 2007 How to Quickshift an MT75 Box don't forget i'm dyslexic peeps winning potatoes

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M K PassionFord Post Whore!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (8) Join Date: May 2004 Location: Essex Posts: 8,758 Rep Power: 16	so how is the afr in my dyno sheet described as my 1st number is 0??? __________________

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Rick 15K+ Super Poster!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Stockport, Cheshire Posts: 15,560 Rep Power: 24	M K Urs is in lambda. Multiply the numer in urs by 14.7. eg 0.85 x 14.7 = 12.5. A little lean imo. __________________ Bespoke calibration and remapping, OEM & Aftermarket management

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15-03-2007, 06:10 PM	#152
Sanchez_ Super Moderator Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (3) Join Date: May 2004 Location: south east Posts: 15,303 Rep Power: 23	after the recent rolling road day i noticed i had a fuel pressure drop of around 10 psi , so ithought ill fit 2 pumps as i might be asking to much from one standard item . Well i fitted the second one then found the fuel pressure was dropping worse .So i set about checking voltage at the pumps it was low so rewired it (thaks diva ) for the advice but still no change! so after the usual fucking cossie bunch a shite monkey shagging wreck abuse i spoke to stu first about it he said check the regulator and said he could have a new ford item with me in the morning but pete rs specailists had a aftermarket jobbie on the shelf so opted for that after hearing that cossie ones can be a nusance . Anyway good job i did as turned up the reg to see what happened to it at idle. so i got it up to 60 psi and it leaked fuel from the body badly and by all account it has been like it for ages ive had to remove up to 20% off the boost fueling on the map due to the fact it was compensating badly for my knackered fuel system so as stu as warned about the pump and voltage im warning you about these issues and if its a toss up between a new stereo or some gauges get yourself a afr gauge and a fuel pressure gauge as it will save your engine __________________

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