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Old 29-11-2016, 10:22 PM
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Default Had my cossie on the rollers at the weekend...

Went to a rolling road day at the weekend (unfortunately I was only one of two Fords)

Met some cool people and walked away with 513hp so was well happy with that!

I've pretty muched reached the limit of my gt30 now so that turbo will be going up for sale in the new year to make way for something a lot bigger!

I had the car on hub dyno about 6 months ago and it done 460hp @ the wheels and since then I've been meaning to get a flywheel figure for a comparison.

More power coming in 2017....

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Old 29-11-2016, 10:34 PM
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Wow that is mean and moody. Love seeing an old ford with so much grunt. Bet it's an animal
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loving the smooth curve
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What boost is this running? What's turbo is going on next and power you aiming for? Thats a proper fan on the dyno.
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Big number but only 180 bhp at 4500 rpm, does it come in with a bang? Just looked at my graph which only tops out at 468bhp but at 4500 rpm it is making 420bhp and at 4000 it is 360bhp.


Mine is 470ftlb at 3750 rpm compared to 130ftlb on yours....is the rest of the engine standard like mine or does it have the head and cams?

I am only noting this as we have debated lag / spool up on the smaller turbo engines (T34 etc)

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Old 30-11-2016, 08:52 AM
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That power is very late on
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Crap pic but you get the idea. the intercooler was not great at that time and I am on a totally standard engine and stud kit (just metal gasket) so Mark held it back a bit. I have since put a Hart inlet on there and a better cooler but not remapped yet.<br/>
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Originally Posted by 800bhp
Thats a proper fan on the dyno.
thats the new Turbo going on
Old 30-11-2016, 09:46 AM
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It does seem very laggy that but nice car
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Impressive power that matey. I could do with a few more horses for mine.
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Originally Posted by 800bhp
What boost is this running? What's turbo is going on next and power you aiming for? Thats a proper fan on the dyno.
This was at 34lb of boost.

Undecided what's going on next, would be interested to go in an efr equipped car but even then anything over a 7064 seems to spool not too far off its equivelant garrett.

Am looking for anywhere between 600/700hp.

Possibly some variant of a gt35r or even bigger.

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Old 30-11-2016, 01:29 PM
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How many miles a year do you do?
Old 30-11-2016, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Caddyshack
Big number but only 180 bhp at 4500 rpm, does it come in with a bang? Just looked at my graph which only tops out at 468bhp but at 4500 rpm it is making 420bhp and at 4000 it is 360bhp.


Mine is 470ftlb at 3750 rpm compared to 130ftlb on yours....is the rest of the engine standard like mine or does it have the head and cams?

I am only noting this as we have debated lag / spool up on the smaller turbo engines (T34 etc)
I know what you mean mate but.... I am gonna go bigger so it won't have a quick spool up regardless like your car has on the 7064.

On the road my car is a bit laggy but I just keep it revving in or near it's powerband.

I also have nitrous fitted with an 80 shot which cuts off at 15lb of boost then the turbo power takes over so then the lag isn't an issue.

Nitrous wasn't used on this RR as it would t affect the overall power anyway.

It starts pulling like a train at 3/3.5k, on the road it's awesome!

Its already a fully worked engine in prep for bigger power, head, custom cams, solid lifters, forged Pistons and 8500 Rev limit.

Cheers Paul
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Old 30-11-2016, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jontysafe
How many miles a year do you do?
2000-3000 depending

Cheers Paul

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Old 30-11-2016, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam-M
It does seem very laggy that but nice car
I'm using nitrous to spool it and I have a high Rev limit so I Rev the nuts off it

Cheers Paul
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Originally Posted by turbotrev
2000-3000 depending

Cheers Paul
Thought about using race fuel ?
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Originally Posted by turbotrev

I had the car on hub dyno about 6 months ago and it done 460hp @ the wheels and since then I've been meaning to get a flywheel figure

Do you know what the TCF was for the hub dyno ?


My 4i made 492bhp @ the hubs.


Steve
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Originally Posted by cossie4i+
Do you know what the TCF was for the hub dyno ?


My 4i made 492bhp @ the hubs.


Steve
Who's dyno Steve as i have heard PJ's read a bit on the optimistic side.
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The next turbo up from mine still spools very quickly and is capable of 580bhp, I think with the torque that would make it would be a seriously fast car.

Mark Shead would be able to say how much earlier the power would come in and peak torque and bhp would still be way up on what you have now.
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Hope your on commission Toby😉👍
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Sorry but that's a terrible graph and if it genuinely represents the way the car develops its power I'd suggest a rethink on the spec is needed
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Originally Posted by jontysafe
Thought about using race fuel ?
For what reason?

Cheers Paul
Old 30-11-2016, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by costina
Hope your on commission Toby😉👍
Yeah, I spend thousands...I think that is how it works?
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Originally Posted by cossie4i+
Do you know what the TCF was for the hub dyno ?


My 4i made 492bhp @ the hubs.


Steve
I don't mate, it was at Abbey Motorsport, 460@ the wheels is around 420 flywheel roughly so it all adds up.

What turbo you on for 490@ the wheels? GT30 or bigger? Do you know your flywheel figure?

Cheers Paul
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Originally Posted by Caddyshack
The next turbo up from mine still spools very quickly and is capable of 580bhp, I think with the torque that would make it would be a seriously fast car.

Mark Shead would be able to say how much earlier the power would come in and peak torque and bhp would still be way up on what you have now.
I want more than 580 buddy.

And I'm not going aftermarket management either.

Cheers Paul
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Originally Posted by Martin-Hadland
Sorry but that's a terrible graph and if it genuinely represents the way the car develops its power I'd suggest a rethink on the spec is needed
What makes you say that Martin?

Cheers Paul
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Originally Posted by turbotrev
What makes you say that Martin?

Cheers Paul
Ignore the headline power figure, the car appears very lazy.
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Originally Posted by turbotrev
I want more than 580 buddy.

And I'm not going aftermarket management either.

Cheers Paul
If you want to use any of this power on the road and enjoy it you might want to try something under 600 on a modern turbo and management set up....drag car, maybe not...don't know....I bet my car as it stands would whoop most old school at 650 on pretty much any track or road.

The choice is yours....nothing, nothing and then Saturn rocket might be pretty exciting
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at least that graph is accurate, charlie isn't interested in inflating figures.

but that car looks like hard work to drive and lethargic through the rev range

i would deffo not discount a management change and modern turbo until youve been in one,

im 380/380 on escos p8 webber and t34.63 turbo.

if i had any interest in any more power (which i dont) i would deffo be changing management and going twin scroll

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Originally Posted by turbotrev

And I'm not going aftermarket management either.
Do you still use candles at home or have you tried electricity?
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For me After Market ECU & a EFR are the two essentials for a modern Spec YB. Just looking at one of Marks 9180 graphs its on boost about the same as Caddy car & made 972bhp if only we could have done that old school but it was not possible.
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Originally Posted by Caddyshack
Do you still use candles at home or have you tried electricity?
Led's, what's that matter?

Cheers Paul
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Originally Posted by Rod-Tarry
For me After Market ECU & a EFR are the two essentials for a modern Spec YB. Just looking at one of Marks 9180 graphs its on boost about the same as Caddy car & made 972bhp if only we could have done that old school but it was not possible.
Can you put the graph up?

Cheers Paul
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Cheers for sharing with us Paul it's good to see people still developing and making there cossie's there own as so many people are now converting back to standard to keep as an investment..

as you said your happy and a graph doesn't all ways represent how the car drives/reacts on the road.

Hopefully when you upgrade you will share again and not receive negative comments.

Cheers Si.

SSO FTW
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Constructive or negative?
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Originally Posted by Caddyshack
Constructive or negative?
Originally Posted by Martin-Hadland
Sorry but that's a terrible graph and if it genuinely represents the way the car develops its power I'd suggest a rethink on the spec is needed
negative
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Originally Posted by costina
Hope your on commission Toby😉👍
Lol

Cheers Paul
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Originally Posted by turbotrev
For what reason?

Cheers Paul
You could possibly squeeze up to 600bhp without changing anything but the map.
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Originally Posted by turbotrev
I don't mate, it was at Abbey Motorsport, 460@ the wheels is around 420 flywheel roughly so it all adds up.

What turbo you on for 490@ the wheels? GT30 or bigger? Do you know your flywheel figure?

Cheers Paul
You loose a lot more power percentage than that through the drive train.
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Originally Posted by jontysafe
You could possibly squeeze up to 600bhp without changing anything but the map.
Not on a gt30 buddy, I'm already nearly maxing it, it can only flow so much....

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