Cossie Sammins

A good mapper with the proper tools and knowledge can use high comp and fast injectors on old kit.
Engine building and parts matching are not things you can map around....

Mark Shead

Other things are also needed. The best mapper can't map around certain limitations.

Mark

Jay,

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You cant change the fact you cant was a 3d movie on a black and white tv

Caddyshack

The old owner of H20 COS (the other Pug Cossie 205) said the same, the lag on the turbo made it slower than his 300 bhp 205 in real road use.

turbotrev

You say this 'real road use' but I disagree there, driving style, gearboxes, etc all make a difference as well, if I keep the revs up all time time it's not gonna be laggy when I wanna accelerate??
It just need keeping in its powerband.

Don't forget I've only made do with it so far as it is what was fitted when I bought the car...

Cheers Paul

turbotrev

When do the bigger efr's come on or near full boost?
I'm talking 8374 or 9180, as that's the kinda power I'm after

Cheers Paul

turbotrev

You don't 'need' to watch 3D movies though...
They are just novelty....

Cheers Paul

Caddyshack

Here is Cossie Dave's I saw this make 700.3 bhp on the Dyno when Mark mapped it, Dave says there is some lag but nothing that dropping a cog doesn't solve to blow away a sports bike.

I believe this is on 9180....from 5250 to 8000 rpm it is flying

...............and there is an Ally block waiting in the wings

ajamesc

You started to bolt mine together yet mark. I need to pull a few bits out my garage to run up at some point front cover oil pick up sump all sorts

Caddyshack

Also happy for Mark to take him out in mine next time it is with Mark (as I need to get the map tweaked for the Hart and new cooler I suspect)

Jay,

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cossie4i+

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WGT in Middlewich.


TCF was 1.10


Still can't find my graphs but have been looking through PF to find the info.


Steve

cossie4i+

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The TCF will be on the graph, mine was 1.10.


The figure is HUBS.


TT T38, billet comp wheel, anti surge housing.


Figure was with 2.23bar boost.


Can't find the graphs, will post when I find them.


Steve

Jay,

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You cant find a dyno plot theres something going here I would of thought you would of had yours framed and hung in the front room

lee2cossies

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Interesting thread, good power made at the top end.Im using a twin scrool s200 borg warner on my car and its a big improvement over the gt30 I previously had but stil quite laggy, im using a l8 with pectel board which is holding it back, now have a autronic sm4 ecu to fit over Christmas and then get it booked in with mark to map, so I guess il be able to let u know exactly how a more modern ecu works against a sl8, im hoping for a much better car all round, as iv had lots of starting issues, fouling plugs etc on the l8.

gcfcos

I might sound thick here but what's efr?

Sierrasideways

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Borg Warner EFR turbos. The bee's knees apparently Not cheap I'd imagine.

gcfcos

Ah I see! I thought it was an Abbreviation like egr or mfi lol

Sierrasideways

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It means "Engineered For Racing". That is the full extent of my knowledge on the subject lol

Philip.

Adam-M

There no doubt about it when you see the spec an efr comes with as standard it's a cracker of a turbo, anything that uses titanium gernally is lol.

Lee2cossies will be interesting to see your views, will you be using the same wiring loom in both cases?

Mark Shead

Evo with 9180 on race fuel


Mark

Mark Shead

Escort from l8 to aftermarket at same boost.


Mark

Mark Shead

Evo gtx3071 to a s200 Borg warner.


Mark

Mark Shead

Doug stirlings Escort was on a gt3076 with .63 housing then converted to gt3071 .82 my cams and aftermarket ecu.
As you can see diff specs with diff results.


Mark

lee2cossies

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The autronic management needs a different loom, luckily my set up came with a loom, I have a new l8 loom from autodynamix on my car and he said if needed he could modify my loom to work with the autronic ecu.

Adam-M

That's really good torque, is the evo graph that's directly above this one got a torque limit on it or something as it's 100lbft less than the last cossie graph you posted?

Mark Shead

No that is the diff from swapping turbo and manifold.
Doug's engine responded very well to the mods.

Mark

Jay,

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Boost = torque more low end boost more torque .. i love boost lol

costina

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But the Atari still works 30 plus years on and that ps4 will pack up just after a year.......
Pac man for me over call of duty all day long.

Rod, The op has not got 60k to pay a tuner to spec and build a engine so its a bit harsh to say he has not got a clue so ffs wind your neck in a give the guy a break.
We all like cars whatever they are so lets be nice eh😀

turbotrev

That'd make it over 550hp at the flywheel!!

On a t38...........

Cheers Paul

Mark Shead

It works because no sod plays it lol

Mark

turbotrev

I like this post Ha ha!!

Cheers Paul

ajamesc

Threads like this will always cause arguments and very different opinions lol. No one denies the old way of doing tings won't get you a number. Dose it compare to the modern way in terms of power delivery how soon it comes in and the torque a spec and set up from someone who knows what there doing? Not in a million years. But if your happy with it fair play everyone it different and can afford different things

Martin-Hadland

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I'd rather have a big atmo

Mark Shead

Looking to start it in Jan

Mark

turbotrev

Am I right in saying full boost is at about 4500 on this graph?

Cheers Paul

turbotrev

You've still not said why you think my graph is so awful Martin?

Cheers Paul

Mark Shead

Full boost on black graph is just before max tq. On the red one the boost was sim to black due to the .63 but was surge limited and to much exhaust cam.

Mark

ajamesc

Wicked if you need anything off me message

Jay,

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Mate im with on that if i ever sell the taxi a big hemi just sounds awesome