cossiedave

iTrader: (1)

If it was im sure mark would say ,if i think it is it a be going back to mark to see if any thing can be done but i am at 7.5.1 ish comp

cossynut2

Dry road use only with that much power I presume? Must be an awesome car that will humble just about everything else you will ever meet on the road.

Caddyshack

Well based on Rods doing it in 5.1 and his is / was one of the quickest cars I don't think that is all that shabby.

Best thing to do is get in your car and drop the hammer in any gear at 60 and just count how long it takes you to get to 120mph...the majority of cars will be well in to double digits. A 625bhp Bentley GT Speed (the fastest Bentley IIRC) does it in 9 seconds and whilst it is a heavy car this is probably the most accelerative zone for that car, I have been out in one of those and it was faster than my 500bhp Supercharged E55 AMG Merc. At around 100mph the other car would be a long way down the road in 3 seconds.

stevieturbo

On low boost because of no grip and on Westlake road tyres at the last drag event here at a crappy airfield mine was doing around 5.1 too. A friends 4wd car with a bit more power than that Escort was doing that same increment in 4.5s

6s for a 650hp car just seems as if something is lacking somewhere.

And no, that test is not conducted by sitting at 60 and nailing it, waiting for it to go etc etc. Same with the 30-130 or indeed any increment. You accelerate from a rolling start below that speed so you're already pulling hard passing through the start trigger.
Although if the test was conducted from a rolling start at 60, that may account for the slower reading.

Caddyshack

Yes, I agree that when you are passing through it would be faster as the car is already on full boost with wide open throttle.

Romain 83

thats a list of time cars from 100 to 200km/h

100-200 kph (62-124 mph) times for various cars and motorcycles
I've seen a quite a few references to 100-200 kph times on the forum as of late, so I thought I'd put together a quick reference list of some cars and motorcycles for those that are using the times to compare acceleration capability.

2.0 – Renault R25 F1 car (800+ HP / 1,300 lb curb weight)
3.5 – Hayabusa Turbo (316 HP)
4.2 – Yamaha R1
4.3 – Suzuki GSXR-1000
4.5 – Kawasaki ZX-14
4.6 - Hayabusa (stock)
4.6 – Honda CBR 1000 RR
4.8 – Veyron
5.0 – Ducati 1098 S
5.3 – Koenigsegg CCX
5.6 – Suzuki GSXR 750
5.6 – Sportec SPR-1
5.7 – Koenigsegg CCR
5.8 – Mosler MT900 GTR
6.1 - Mclaren F1
6.2 - Pagani Zonda F
6.2 – Honda CBR 600 RR
6.4 - RUF RT-12
6.4 - Carrera GT
6.5 – Pagani Zonda R
6.5 – Kawasaki ZX6-R
6.7 - Enzo
6.8 - GTB 599
6.8 – CBR 1100XX
7.2 - SLR
7.8 - Murci LP640
7.9 - C6 Z06
8.0 - Ford GT
8.4 - 997TT
8.4 - F430
8.4 - 996 GT2
8.6 - M6
8.7 - SL65 AMG
8.8 - Gallardo Superleggera
8.8 - M5
8.9 - S65 AMG
9.0 - 996TT X50/Turbo 'S'
9.1 - Gallardo SE
9.7 - 996TT- 9.7
10.0 - E55 AMG
10.2 - 996 GT3
10.2- Viper SRT-10
10.5 - E63 AMG
10.8 - 993TT
11.2 - AM Vanquish S
11.2 - Audi RS-4 (2007)
11.3 - Audi RS-6
11.6 - SLK-55 “Black” series
11.8 - Bentley Continental GT
12.0 - AM Vantage (2007)
12.4 - E46 M3
13.8 - Jeep SRT-8
14.7 - Cayenne TT (450 HP)
14.9 - EVO IV
16.4 - Supra TT (1995)
16.6 - WRX STi
17.1 - 350Z Coupe (‘06)

stevieturbo

F1 car....F**K ! lol

Fullflush

I'd be interested on how quickly the Speedfactory Civic does it in. I googled a timeslip and it does 0-152.66 mph in 5.407 seconds. So I'd say it was about on pace with the F1 car?

Caddyshack

Mye55 is listed at 10 seconds and that was seriously fast compared to most cars, I remember it changing in to top at 155mph and still pulling very hard so that Cossie to be 4 seconds faster amazes me

scoooby slayer

iTrader: (4)

Thats what I thought mate 650 hp and lightweight escort should be quicker than that

scoooby slayer

iTrader: (4)

ive done a 4.74 on pump fuel 100-200 kph, my e50 map shows 0.6 seconds faster 30-130 mph so it would be around 4.14 full power assumeing gains are equal in 100-200 kph.


I don't have my software on my pc yet since having to reboot to check exact e50 plot, the joys of kids and messing with dads pc lol




do you think you will be in the 3s with your latest build rod ?

stevieturbo

3's would be difficult unless it was mid/rear engined or had monster tyres and is superbly setup for traction.

It isnt really an increment I'd looked much at before as I'm still traction limited throughout.

But oddly looking at very old logs from Santa Pod, they seem to be around 4.7s or thereabouts with no traction problems. At TOTB last year, my best was 4.55s for same increment, and running lower boost etc to try and maintain traction.
Still a long way off 3's for 62-124mph though.

Rod-Tarry

Its 11 years since my car was timed. The 838bhp engine was not & that had 150bhp more than the previous one. The 5.1 was from a 0-150mph run & I assume would have had a gear change in it. Lots of cars better equipped to do these acceleration runs than mine.

stevieturbo

Mine has 2 gearchanges, I'd think most cars would have a couple, the likes of a GTR etc having a good advantage with that

lee2cossies

iTrader: (2)

Be interesting to see what andy forests subaru is doing it in, that must be 3's i would of thought.

scoooby slayer

iTrader: (4)

most cars will have a gear change for 62-124 mph surely for fastest time ?
ive got a good 4000 rpm power band to use and im sure id be quicker with a shift compared to without as id drop out of the boost in 1 gear I think.

scoooby slayer

iTrader: (4)

low 3s if not high 2s id of thought, that car is insanely fast

Caddyshack

When you watch vidoes of Rods car it looks like there is a lot of wheel spin even at these speeds.

Rod-Tarry

You mean like all this wheelspin.

http://vidmg.photobucket.com/albums/...psjrxlfjyz.mp4

Adam-M

That road surface looks terrible so up and down

Caddyshack

Welcome to bruntingthorpe

turbotrev

That didn't look to bad to me tbh!
I thought it was a good launch from a car with all that power! Ha ha

Cheers Paul

SHaDoWLanDZ

It's my cossie doing the 6sec 100-200kph.


I would like to see 1 cossie doing it in low 5sec measured on V-box (gps timed acceleration on 0° slope).


I am in this testing world for a long time, believe me, the fastest car in our group is a 1500hp Supra, it does official vbox time in ±4sec.


The other fastest cars of our group do between 5.5 and 6.5, and then i am talking about:


Audi A3 3.2 750hp (4x4) = 5.6
Audi S2 630hp = 6.2
BMW M135i 550hp (RWD) - 8speed automatic = 6,4
Nissan GTR600hp = 6.3
Audi A3 3.2 (4x4) 590hp = 6.1
Honda Del Sol (1100kg) 500hp = 6.5
BMW 335i 650hp = 6.7
Honda Civic EP3 Turbo (1100kg) 600hp = 5.9
BMW M3E92 compressor 630hp = 6.2
Subaru Impreza STi 650hp = 6.5

This is official and with correct timing-equipment!


So any cossie on here doing low 5... i would like to see power and gearing


Cheers!

Adam-M

Are you sitting at 60mph then gunning it to 124 or doing 0-124 and just recording the time taken from 60-124 while already on full boost ect.

Makes a big difference.

SHaDoWLanDZ

The general rule is to start in 2nd gear from below 60mph.. more like 30-40mph, and floor it...

The Vbox registrates as soon hitting 60mph and clocks off as soon seeing 124mph (200kph) at GPS speed.

Dont forget the road has to be completely flat. Also other conditions like outside temps,.. make a difference.

The vbox time i did was with Romain as a passenger, with outside temp of minimum +-22°.

Like the Supra did one time 3.9 when 10° night-run and 4.1 at 20° afternoon. That is simular to a Bugatti Veyron.

Caddyshack

Whilst ALLOY BLOCKS are in this thread....I was reading about a bloke who has an original RS200 and uses it regularly...he said that this alloy block needs to be carefully warmed before proper use and he cannot just jump in and dash to Tesco....he didnt warm it well for a while and resulted in a full rebuild????

I wonder if the Smith and Jones YB needs the same care? The RS200 is the 1800 BDA I think..I assume this also has ally head?

Adam-M

Didn't know rs200's had alloy blocks.

stevieturbo

it may be official as far as timing goes....but they're telling fibs about their actual power levels. Either that or some of them are terrible drivers.

Caddyshack

Don't know apparently it is a BDT, the article was in CAR mag this month and he quotes that he bought the car brand new and has done 38,000 miles which is the highest road car mileage he knows of. Runs 350 bhp as had a remap from 300.

Caddyshack

From wiki

Engine[edit]
Longitudinally mounted, mid-ship, four-wheel drive
"Yellow"]Head/block aluminium alloy/aluminium alloy[/COLOR]
4 cylinders in line, Nikasil integrated liners
5 main bearings. Water cooled, electric fan
Bore 86.0 millimetres (3.39 in)
stroke 77.6 millimetres (3.06 in)
capacity 1803 cc (110 CID)
Valve gear Dual Overhead Cams, 4 valves per cylinder, toothed belt camshaft drive
Compression ratio 7.2:1. Bosch Motronic engine management system and fuel injection. Garrett T3 turbocharger/boost pressure 23 psi (1.6 bar).

Max power 450 PS (331 kW; 444 hp) at 8,000 rpm
Max torque 361 lb·ft (489 N·m) at 5,500 rpm

Adam-M

That's amazing mate cheers for the info, nikasil liners aswell what a machine.

Respect to that guy your on about!

SHaDoWLanDZ

I know most of 'm very well, was at most of the dyno's when they tested the cars... the 750bhp Audi A3 has 950nm of torque (700lbft), is a very good driver and his best time was 5.3sec.

The audi weighs about 1500kg and also 4x4.

The BMW M135i dynoed lots of time, he raced cars like Porsche Turbo 550hp Corvette Z06 with 600hp, C63 AMG 750hp, Audi RS6 800hp and with his 550hp/500lbft he won all them races (rolling starts), his official best time is 6.39sec with the ZF-8 speed automatic transmission wich shifts like mad!

Here is a video of his attempt i just uploaded.


And here is how is measured..

M3E92 supercharged manual transmission - 580hp - 1680kg (6,4sec)


I'm not saying at all its not possible to have a low 5 time with a cossie, but you sure as hell need +700hp or sequential gearbox.

When i have my car back at +650hp from Oppliger Motorsport, i'll do a new attempt, only driver and at night with low temps, 5.7 should be possible with uber-shifting

SHaDoWLanDZ

Also very nice to know

Porsche 996 580hp 6.5sec

stevieturbo

At the last drag event here, crappy airfield and just using road tyres. I did multiple very low 5's with a few just under 5s

Mine is not a Cossie obviously, but circa 1740kgs on the road, its a damn sight heavier than any Cossie and because of tyres and surface very limited as to how much power can be put down as wheels are spinning throughout the entire 62-124 range. 265/35x18 Westlake E marked tyres, rwd obviously.
2 gearchanges take place for me with this increment. Normal manual clutched H pattern changes. 2-3 and 3-4.

All runs, screenshot from VBox Test Suite enclosed.

SHaDoWLanDZ

That is very impressive! Mind telling me with what car and power?

100-200 in Low 5's is an unbeatable car on the dry roads (straights that is)

If you know that a Pagani Zonda or even Koenigsegg is higher then that

stevieturbo

Just an old Ford Granada, power varies so no easy way to answer. But the road surface ultimately limits what can be put down so certainly not running anywhere near as much as it can do.

Video from the day taken from the air.

SHaDoWLanDZ

Very cool!!

stevieturbo

And a friends car, it would be in the high 4s range, 4.7-4.8 most of the time. Racing a V10 M5. 4wd helps lol.

gjh

Very impressive stuff!

Rod-Tarry

I really don't care what you believe mate. Mr. Datron is good enough for me, independent in a mag article. My old rwd did 5.1 on the 16th September 2004 with 730bhp. If you are saying it cant do that now with 850bhp I have to accept that because its not been timed since that day. Its faster than any Cossie you have owned or been in so perhaps it can do what I have stated.