Prince_Thain

If you look at the picture to the far right there is an unconnected 'hole', it seems to be the cause of my car losing oil which I was proud of discovering.
If I were to plug the hole would there be any adverse effects?

Also anyone know which power steering pump would fit in this? Was thinking of ordering one from eBay..

Thanks in advance!

haz87

That hole needs to be there to vent the breather system. Put a mini filter over it. Also check the breather hasn't filled with oil (looks like it has a drain at the bottom to run all the crap out of).

Prince_Thain

Thanks for the quick reply!
Can you recommend one that would be suitable?
Would this work? http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/FSE-Fuel-Swi...850?nav=SEARCH
Also would it stop any oil coming out if it's just a gauze filter?
Cheers!

stevieturbo

I see no swirl pot on that photo.

Explain better. And clearly that filter is intended for a specific application, not some random thing you're unsure about.

RSmark84

I opened the picture up and zoomed in. The bottom outlet on the oil breather/separator is blanked off. Looks like a blue hose fitted with a jubilee clip holding a blanking plug in it? Either way that needs to be unblocked and a hose fitted as a return to block/sump.

The top Outlet that is blocked off needs a vent to atmosphere as mentioned you need to measure the outer bore of the breather outlet, and buy the correct size oil breather filter.

Looks like this:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Breath...dLBjPpo8w-PSMA

Also you should fit a catch tank lower than the breather with the remaining top outlet. At the moment the breather would be full of oil, and currently the whole breather system is a complete bodge job.

RSmark84

In fact this is what you should do:

Remove top blue hose and remove the bottom blue hose. Fit the top hose to the bottom of the outlet.

The black hose connected to the top outlet. Its routed wrong, Bin that hose and get a long straight hose. The breather looks to be a lot higher than the engine, thus oil needing to travel upwards. Lower the breather until its at least the same height, and ensure the new hose is routed behind the brake servo and clear from the brake lines. then back round to the breather.

Bin the bottom blue hose that you removed.

Remove the top hose that is fitted with a blanking plug and bin them both.

With the now free outlet from the blue hose you had before fit the oil breather filter that I linked to you last post(remember size before buying).

With the top outlet that is blanked of fit a hose from there to a catch tank that can be fitted closer to the front of the car, but lower than the breather.

If you can't find a catch tank with just one inlet, instead of binning that black hose and blanking plug fit it to the second inlet of the catch tank. Mocal(top quality brand) make some very good catch tanks).

Once that is all done, you should find the breather will be up to the job.
For any hoses you need, ASH( auto silicone hoses) sell all sorts of hoses and jubilee clips for many installments.

Prince_Thain

Absolute legend thanks so much, I've done some digging while the escort was off having a brand new power steering pump and belt fitted.
I think it was broken the whole time I owned it because the car is driving fantastically, better than ever and only a little bit smoky compared to loads of smoke.
I found the attached image of how it was setup a few years ago and wondered whether the piping looks correct there in your opinion?

Prince_Thain

Here's a before and after, have I done it correctly?
When I took the plug out of the bottom it was peeing out petrol so I made sure I got the hoses switched over quickly! Is it normal for petrol to come out of the bottom? :O
Before:

After:

stevieturbo

It still isnt a swirl pot and absolutely no fuel should be anywhere near that attempt of a breather bottle.

Prince_Thain

Yeah it's more of a breather, I didn't know what it was when I first made the thread and I don't know how to rename the thread
If I take a picture showing where the pipe comes from, and goes to would that be a good idea so that you can see whether it's coming out of the wrong place?
The black pipe at the back is coming from the right side of the rocker cover right at the back. The blue pipe I'd need to check when I get home.

anthony lea

I'd be very worried if there was petrol in there!

Caddyshack

Probably water from condensation?

stevieturbo

I'd be worried if someone cant tell difference between fuel and water !!

Try setting it on fire lol

mikej857

The pipe on the bottom is the vent so it shouldn't be blocked off

Prince_Thain

Are you saying that from the setup in the after picture that I need to switch the stopper and the air filter around?

Caddyshack

No he is not, that wouldn't make any difference.

I would add another filter instead of the stopper, just to make it look nicer

Prince_Thain

Took pictures of where the pipes go from and to.
From rocker cover to breather:

From the bottom of the breather:

RSmark84

Sorry didnt see this had been updated ages ago. It looks better now, But you really want to tidy that top hose up with a decent blanking plug instead of a bolt? Even as mentioned have another filter, It'll look so much better than it is now.

Also you still haven't done anything about that other hose(rocker to breather). That hose is still routed wrong. Get a straight hose again, from ASH. route it so it doesn't go upwards(ideally it shouldn't really go higher than the rocker/cam cover.) if needed lower the breather down several inches to allow the oil from the rocker to flow(it wont travel upwards remember).
Personally that hose i'd route it from the rocker, behind the brake servo and back round along the bulkhead of the engine bay. Using 'P' clips if needed to keep the hose straight then connect it to the breather.

The engine would breath better, allowing the oil to flow and return the the sump/block correctly. No there should be no petrol in the breather, but you can sometimes find water 'condensation' in these breathers which could be from too many short journeys/ engine not getting up to temp fully. Give it a bloody good run out on a A road or motorway to clear up any water.


Edit: no the bottom hose is not to vent, it is return. that is now correct.

Prince_Thain

Brilliant, thanks for commenting again.
I'm looking at getting a bracket to lower the oil breather and measure the length of hose needed to route the hose around the back of the brake servo.
Really appreciate your help.
I'll put a picture up when I've done it.
Do you know if the pipes are coming from the right place and going to the right place based on the picture?

RSmark84

Yes they are connected to the right places now, Just needs a tidy up and that one routed wrong sorted.

Prince_Thain

Excellent, thanks again for your help, I'm going to get that new house and lower it and post up a final pic just to make sure!
May even get a catch tank although I'd need to find out how to plumb that in.

RSmark84

Catch tank will connect to the hose outlet that you blanked off with a bolt. If the catch tank you buy has 2 outlets you'll blank one of or use another filter one that outlet.