cossiedean84

Hi, I am looking to get my 2wd engine rebuilt soon and been trying to find prices but all the posts I can find are over 8-10 years old. What's the average price for a drive in drive out rebuild?

Current spec is 205 block with group A head gasket, t34.48, greys and will probably want more power once engine been rebuilt so would like it to take the power.

Would want 4x4 pistons with valve cut outs, metal head gasket, up rated clutch etc.

Also who would be best person to get to do it?

I live in Kent but willing to travel to a certain extent

R4N SS

iTrader: (6)

it all depends upon the parts you are supplying too i guess. Will the block need rehoning, crank might require more work, shells, etc.

Prob 2-3k i would say - thats what i would budget to build my 2wd for drive in drive out job by someone else

Caddyshack

It depends on who you use. I think MAD (Mark shead) said that a basic rebuild costs around £3.5k. dont forget that a bad rebuild is complete scrap and then you start again. the uprated clutch is not really the realm of the engine builder, anyone putting in or taking out the engine can do that. the engine in and out can easily take a half day each or more so best if you can do the basics...I am not sure if the 3.5k above includes engine out or not. a good builder will give some guarantees if they do it all. I think drive in and drive out would be at least £3k these days and then if you add extras the costs will spiral. Head work is bound to be £1500 then crank same again, nice pistons etc....the list goes on but you may not need so much?

cossiedean84

When you say headwork..... What will £1500 get you? I don't want bigger valves or anything just a overhaul.

As for clutch I can always supply and get them to fit.

I am more than capable of taking the engine out and refitting but would rather drop the car off and pick it back up knowing it's running perfect.

Caddyshack

I think the head would need porting if you want to build for big power or same power with lower boost but best to take advice from a tuner if you want that, I mentioned this as you said about the valve cut outs on 4x4 Pistons. I think you only need to swap one cam and again I would take tuner advice on that as not sure which you would do first cams or head. I don't think the cossie needs bigger valves until you go massive power well in excess of 500 bhp and for that I think you would go for a 200 block.

Each tuner or builder will have their own ways and not many seem to like each other from what I have seen. Oil jets seem to be one thing people go for and then you also need to consider long studding but again not sure if that is the same on a 205 block but something to ask about. If the head is off then I would at least want the valve stem oil seals swapped and then the valves re lapped in.

Cos500

Head work £1500? May as well buy another ready done.
Just built my engine up with a mate of mine at his garage, my head work including skim, bronze guides, 3 angle seats and all new valves was £400, had everything else so apart from bearings and seals it cost nothing else, I'd never pay 3k plus they are so basic you may as well just buy another engine and part the old one out

cossiedean84

I found a old post from mark shead in 2010 saying for £3500 + vat he will do a drive in drive out which includes Pistons,rebore, deck block, correct comp, bearings, oil pump, conrod bolts, valve pockets in Pistons, valve guides, re cut valve seats and valves, skim head, head bolts, lifters, cam belt, clutch, head gasket, oil, filter, antifreeze and labour.

Fullflush

I would expect that to be 4.5k now, that was 5 years ago

Rod-Tarry

Im standard valves at 850bhp & the new 900+ build is also standard valves.

Rod-Tarry

Then you will never own a well build reliable YB. My mate more than any single person causes problems in re-builds. Then again my mates mate is also not good . They are so basic every day you read of problems on this site so basic that most project end with selling up. There are Tuners out their that made there name by building good reliable & sometimes powerfull YB's. Of course you & your mate know better.

Cos500

Well for your info my "mate" has been building these engines for years and his own has been in the car 10 years, also runs nos with no issues, you don't need to pay £££ just because someone's name is on something.
Oh and half the tuners out there I wouldn't trust to walk my dog, been around these 17 years I'm not stupid.

Fullflush

Rod, how do you not know if he is mates with Karl Norris or Harvey Gibbs, the two best in the business?

jamie956

You are looking at 4-5k pending what they find inside don't forget its going to need to be mapped/set up after, then there's no point putting old sensors injectors etc. in a new build also if your going for a top to bottom build then I wouldn't use a 205 block.


I supplied a std 2wd 205 block complete engine, it was then built into a 200 block, long studded, wrc head gasket, new pistons, bearings, head fully rebuilt, sump winged, all bolts/brackets plated and then dyno mapped.


I supplied the turbo and injectors it made 390/400 with the same spec turbo.


a clutch is going to £500 extra.

smiley

Built into 200? The internals you mean?

jamie956

Yes 205 given back to me then all the internals put into a 200.

smiley

Ahaa!! I can see 200's rocketing soon their won't be any left I got 2

cossiedean84

Who did you get to rebuild your engine?

R4N SS

iTrader: (6)

They are already rocketing - glad i still got one lol

Mark Shead

Most peoples mates are like this
So unless you say who your mate is we all think its him

Mark

Caddyshack

How do you know the new 2nd hand engine doesn't need a rebuild? All too often we see posts with problems coming from engines they have bought.


Not that many people have a mate who can rebuild the engines free of charge. I was also suggesting that someone with a proven track record would know how to extract more power from the head by porting or whatever magic they do....I have seen a lot of posts with "the extra power is in the head" you can get more power without more boost.

I don't think Mark Shead, Harvey Gibbs or Carl Norris give away many free rebuilds to their mates....if they do "Mark, can I be your friend?"

ajamesc

2nd and 3rd you mean

Cos500

You don't need to touch the head to extract the sort of power the op sounds like he's after, rebuilding on a 205 block with 4x4 Pistons? Sounds like a basic rebuild that could take a little more later on not 500+, wouldn't bother with the 2wd head either that's why I'd say maybe just buy another engine like a 4x4 sapph etc, even if tired it's got the right bits if after a bigger build

cossiedean84

Immnot aftet a lot more, currently running 350-360 maybe would change exhaust housing and go for 380 maybe. Wouldn't go anymore than say 450 in the future. What's wrong with the 2wd head?

mk2 escort boy

iTrader: (1)

Boost is a drug ! you say 350/360 then at a later dater maybe 450 it never ending ffs
Their are some really good engine builders out there you have to decide how mad you wanna go standard rebuilt 3/4k I reckon
Me personally would use mark at M A D I have one of his engines and it's never let me down sound bloke with good advice!
But all tuners will tell you something different talk to them all go with the one you like the best and go with what they recommend

Fullflush

That video is gold!!

PAUL S

iTrader: (8)

The YB is essentially a shonky old Cortina engine with tolerances bigger than the Suez Canal, any spanner monkey can work on the core itself, its speccing it correctly and managing the power delivery is where the experience comes into play, that's what you pay for

smiley

What power and spec is that work of art of yours mate?

Gadget

I've just paid 2k cash for a standard rebuild on a 4x4 engine.
Usually I get machine work done then build myself but I already had an engine on my stand and not really the room in my garage at the time.
I dropped the engine minus manifolds off.
They stripped, cleaned, supplied 4 Pistons, bearings, new oil pump, rings, gaskets etc. re bored, decked the block, skimmed the head, 4 exhaust valve guides and one exhaust valve seat.
It should've been a little more as the guides and seat were required once it was stripped and checked, but it took a fair bit longer than the time originally quoted as they had an influx of race V8's to get out of the door.
That was Lyndale Race Engines in Peterborough.
When I picked the engine up, it was ready just to put the manifolds back on, the block was painted, all the pulleys had been painted!

cossynut2

That sounds like a top job for a very fair price to me. Have you got it all back together yet? How does it run now?

R4N SS

iTrader: (6)

i'd pay 2k to have all that done too gadget

Caddyshack

Plus Vat of course...just in case anyone from customs and excise or HMRC has just bought a Cossie and is looking for a rebuild!

mk2 escort boy

iTrader: (1)

It's pretty basic to be honest the cossie rich spec

Standard head but with MAD cams forged Pistons with valve cut outs hart inlet ,MAD manifold ,Borg Warner twin scroll turbo 7670 ,vi pec Ecu ,spec r inter cooler, it made 487hp before not been on the dyno with the borgwarrner turbo yet but have changed the injectors to 1000cc as the Siemens 83 were flat out at a guess it's over 500hp but will find out for sure towards month end

smiley

Dribble dribble how do you find the efr I'm going similar spec to you mate

mk2 escort boy

iTrader: (1)

Their night and day difference you have to get a manifold to get the best from them
I only got one as my GT30 shit itself so it suited at the time the pick up is unreal more torque/ power it's a win win as far as I'm concerned if I keep this engine at the same spec I might be tempted to change to a slightly small Borg Warner for more response as there's a new one which will flow 500hp but picks up quicker but for the best advice you better of calling Mark

smiley

Sounds bang on mate mine will be going to mark

Gadget

Sweet as a nut, running in now.

Caddyshack

Proper spec! That is easily £10k though I cluding a rebuild.

Turbo Zetec

iTrader: (1)

i probably fitted the guides and/or seat had it been there a while?