e90 m3's, how quick are they?
09-05-2015, 09:18 PM
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e90 m3's, how quick are they?
just out of curiosity for those who have driven them, do they shift well or not?
i only ask as i followed one from 70-140 and only pulled say 80 feet on my remapped e90 330d, i can't absolutely commit to the m3 using the full power as i was.
just wondering if it was a case of the diesel torque being much greater, or was it the m3 driver not pushing it as hard as it could., i know up the speed it would have carried on and i wouldn't for much longer.
this is nothing to do with bragging, genuinely shocked that the gap didn't grow much at all as i was about 20 feet behind it initially.
one of those meet your irritating hero cars and felt somewhat deflated by its performance.
i only ask as i followed one from 70-140 and only pulled say 80 feet on my remapped e90 330d, i can't absolutely commit to the m3 using the full power as i was.
just wondering if it was a case of the diesel torque being much greater, or was it the m3 driver not pushing it as hard as it could., i know up the speed it would have carried on and i wouldn't for much longer.
this is nothing to do with bragging, genuinely shocked that the gap didn't grow much at all as i was about 20 feet behind it initially.
one of those meet your irritating hero cars and felt somewhat deflated by its performance.
09-05-2015, 09:28 PM
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it was pulling and shot up the speedo pretty quickly, as did my bus.
it all began with him up my arse, then i pulled in to let him past.
just straight line pull seemed very linear and not getting away fast, glad you believe it was something wrong as i still think i'll be owning one in a couple of years.
it all began with him up my arse, then i pulled in to let him past.
just straight line pull seemed very linear and not getting away fast, glad you believe it was something wrong as i still think i'll be owning one in a couple of years.
09-05-2015, 10:32 PM
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my 330d is around 275-280bhp (msd mapped), in gear acceleration is good, just didn't think it would be anywhere near an e90 m3.
and yes, i hired a track for the afternoon and invited anyone to have a drive
handling on the bus is ok, far from the precision of an m3 though.
and yes, i hired a track for the afternoon and invited anyone to have a drive
handling on the bus is ok, far from the precision of an m3 though.
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10-05-2015, 02:31 AM
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They are quick-ish..
Mine was remapped and had an exhaust system. Was an awesome drive, loved that car and out off all the cars iv owned thats the one i miss and would have again. The noise is made was immense ( knocking on the doors of a C63 AMG), was so comfertable etc
Theres more to owning a M car other than just the speed. Its an amazing package.
Mine was remapped and had an exhaust system. Was an awesome drive, loved that car and out off all the cars iv owned thats the one i miss and would have again. The noise is made was immense ( knocking on the doors of a C63 AMG), was so comfertable etc
Theres more to owning a M car other than just the speed. Its an amazing package.
10-05-2015, 07:31 AM
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Bhp sells the cars but it is torque that wins the races.....my dear ol Dad used to say.
If you tucked in behind him than he was punching a big hole in the air for you and it does take a LOT of power to blow someone in to the weeds.
I have done a lot of track days and my 3.2 Carrera with 230 bhp used to keep up with GT3s and 911 turbos until they got right up in the Rev ranges, some of those had 200 bhp more than me.
If you tucked in behind him than he was punching a big hole in the air for you and it does take a LOT of power to blow someone in to the weeds.
I have done a lot of track days and my 3.2 Carrera with 230 bhp used to keep up with GT3s and 911 turbos until they got right up in the Rev ranges, some of those had 200 bhp more than me.
10-05-2015, 08:47 PM
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he ended up approx 60 feet further ahead than when we were at 70.
i know that if we'd have carried on then the m3 would have buggered off as i would have run out of gears/torque band. just surprised how well the bus kept up really, makes me wonder how quick a mapped 335 would be given they can do 360bhp without dpf removal or any other mods.
makes me wonder why you would buy an m3, apart form the sound and response.
i know that if we'd have carried on then the m3 would have buggered off as i would have run out of gears/torque band. just surprised how well the bus kept up really, makes me wonder how quick a mapped 335 would be given they can do 360bhp without dpf removal or any other mods.
makes me wonder why you would buy an m3, apart form the sound and response.
11-05-2015, 09:33 AM
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A mapped 335d would probably be as quick/quicker maybe on a open stretch of motorway, but it's not half as fun or rewarding to drive on any other type of road IMO.
11-05-2015, 11:39 AM
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i have a 335d e92-would rather drive an m3 though lol wonderful package particularly dct and its a quicker car if you use the rev range
the following stops me from buying
335d-£220 a year to tax m3 £500 a year
335d 40 plus mpg m3 18mpg or less
service/repair costs on m3 also very high in comparison-its a bit more sophisticated
no cost involvement it would be the m3 anyday-but being a tight git its the oil burner for me
the following stops me from buying
335d-£220 a year to tax m3 £500 a year
335d 40 plus mpg m3 18mpg or less
service/repair costs on m3 also very high in comparison-its a bit more sophisticated
no cost involvement it would be the m3 anyday-but being a tight git its the oil burner for me
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11-05-2015, 12:35 PM
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Sold my 500+bhp 3dr last year and went for a 335d, got Stu to map it and it came off his dyno with 370bhp/810nm and was a very quick car on the right roads.
Traded the D in a couple of month back for a E92 M3 and at first was disappointed, the staight line speed was similar to the D until I realised you really have to ring the living daylights out of the M, unless you use all 8200rpm they are a little lame.
Point to point on my usual private piece of test road the M was 5mph quicker than the D but didn't feel it, you only notice how quick they are when you look at the speedo.
Now, same cars on the twisty stuff and the M really shows it's pedigree, it's just so nicely balanced and really comes into it's own.
Yes it's 2x the price to tax and sups twice as much fuel as the D but it's more than 2x better to drive and be in, 2 very different cars for 2 very different jobs. Really loved the D but it was just missing that little something that the M has in bucket fulls..... and I wouldn't swap it back for the 3dr either
Traded the D in a couple of month back for a E92 M3 and at first was disappointed, the staight line speed was similar to the D until I realised you really have to ring the living daylights out of the M, unless you use all 8200rpm they are a little lame.
Point to point on my usual private piece of test road the M was 5mph quicker than the D but didn't feel it, you only notice how quick they are when you look at the speedo.
Now, same cars on the twisty stuff and the M really shows it's pedigree, it's just so nicely balanced and really comes into it's own.
Yes it's 2x the price to tax and sups twice as much fuel as the D but it's more than 2x better to drive and be in, 2 very different cars for 2 very different jobs. Really loved the D but it was just missing that little something that the M has in bucket fulls..... and I wouldn't swap it back for the 3dr either
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12-05-2015, 07:36 PM
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was that with any other mods? Ive got a standard e91 335d and keep getting tempted to get it mapped. Pulls great as it is to be fair, not rapid but upset quite a few bigger fish.
13-05-2015, 11:19 AM
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13-05-2015, 11:30 AM
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These vehicles dont hang around. They are awesome to tune. Heres my own 103'000 mile diseasel on the dyno while I was tweaking a few packages for them.
Totally factory, still got the 103K mile old DPF/ EGR / Cats etc. She has now covered over 127K trouble free miles. In fact, i have had her one year last Monday.
Stage 1: (Made 502ftlb and 337bhp)
(This level of tune is within ZF's quoted gearbox maximum torque)
Stage 2. (Made 572ftlb and 361bhp)(This level of tune significantly exceeds ZF's quoted gearbox maximum torque)
Stage 3 requires DPF and cat removal and will result in visible smoke.
Ive done it on customers cars for them but its not for me. I cant stand smokey diesels.Its also pushing the factory gearbox well out of its safety zone... not for the faint of wallet. LOL
Totally factory, still got the 103K mile old DPF/ EGR / Cats etc. She has now covered over 127K trouble free miles. In fact, i have had her one year last Monday.
Stage 1: (Made 502ftlb and 337bhp)
(This level of tune is within ZF's quoted gearbox maximum torque)
Stage 2. (Made 572ftlb and 361bhp)(This level of tune significantly exceeds ZF's quoted gearbox maximum torque)
Stage 3 requires DPF and cat removal and will result in visible smoke.
Ive done it on customers cars for them but its not for me. I cant stand smokey diesels.Its also pushing the factory gearbox well out of its safety zone... not for the faint of wallet. LOL
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