Better then an rs200?
01-03-2015, 06:27 PM
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Personally I prefer the RS200. Do you know on the rally car the fuel tank was located under the drivers seat!
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01-03-2015, 06:32 PM
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02-03-2015, 02:31 PM
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02-03-2015, 03:19 PM
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RS200 all the way for me. The S4 and 205 T16 were the better rally cars, but without restrictions (and with its potential fullly realised) the RS200 was the better rallycross car.
02-03-2015, 05:00 PM
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Hell ye!^^^ Think how many cars you could buy with the left over cash
02-03-2015, 05:43 PM
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Some integrales are fetching rs500 money now. I've seen some at 65k. I know the S4 isn't the prettiest but I love it for its engineering.
02-03-2015, 07:52 PM
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No, it looks proper ugly, would rather just have a lancia Delta Evo, for a tenth of the price ie 
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lancia-Del...16496283&rt=nc
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03-03-2015, 12:24 PM
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Cars for group b rallying are amazing to see and hear but only in group b rally spec, on the road that lancia would look a little out of place nowadays, as would a 6r4, to most people it would look like an old piece of shit with a body kit, only useful to sit gathering dust in some twats heated carpeted garage with his Ferraris in my opinion.
04-03-2015, 08:18 AM
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I'm quite surprised to see people posting negative comments concerning the RS200 on a Ford forum, I thought that would result in an immediate ban! 
The "kit car" comment is perhaps a bit harsh, though from what I have read it does seem some of the RS200's were rather thrown together.
This...
...is what sealed my desire to own an RS200. Big power 6R4's struggle to keep up, 205's are at the back of the pack and there isn't a quattro or Delta S4 in sight.
I've long thought that the Group B era in rallycross raises an interesting question of what might have been if the RS200 had got a few years in rally. With the right development it became the platform of choice, could the same have applied in rally?...
The "kit car" comment is perhaps a bit harsh, though from what I have read it does seem some of the RS200's were rather thrown together.
This...
...is what sealed my desire to own an RS200. Big power 6R4's struggle to keep up, 205's are at the back of the pack and there isn't a quattro or Delta S4 in sight.
I've long thought that the Group B era in rallycross raises an interesting question of what might have been if the RS200 had got a few years in rally. With the right development it became the platform of choice, could the same have applied in rally?...
04-03-2015, 11:33 AM
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Ye I watched it, he didn't give the guy any commission even though he knocked 25k off the Aston Martin restoration project, thought that was a bit unfair, the guy in the South Wales dealership seemed like a bit of a prick too.
04-03-2015, 11:38 AM
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Agree, RS200 doesn't really have any rally pedigree either, by the time it was built GRP B was about finished so why the price tag.
Cars for group b rallying are amazing to see and hear but only in group b rally spec, on the road that lancia would look a little out of place nowadays, as would a 6r4, to most people it would look like an old piece of shit with a body kit, only useful to sit gathering dust in some twats heated carpeted garage with his Ferraris in my opinion.
Cars for group b rallying are amazing to see and hear but only in group b rally spec, on the road that lancia would look a little out of place nowadays, as would a 6r4, to most people it would look like an old piece of shit with a body kit, only useful to sit gathering dust in some twats heated carpeted garage with his Ferraris in my opinion.
To be fair the banning of group B had nothing to do with ford, I was watching a programme with Malcom Wilson talking and he said the RS200 had a fantastic potential, especially with all the suspension travel it had, said it was a future championship winning car if only they hadn't banned group B.
04-03-2015, 11:57 AM
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The only RS200 that I love / have respect for is Pat Doran's RS200 from the good old days of pre Euro reg Rallycross. In my opinion however, the car was competitve I'm convinced, because of big Pat's driving style and will to win not as a reflection of the RS200 being a better car than its peers! Julian's input no doubt helped too.
Actually to drive they're bloody horrible (have driven stock road cars, driven Ford's own ex competition cars). Also, I've passengered in many from stock to Pat's car at it's peak, and from the passenger seat an Audi S1 felt and looked much more driveable and capable, as have properly converted 4x4 Focus' etc.
To question anyone's desire to spend upwards of £100,000 on an RS200 though is futile - the Group B collectors buy the cars (Fords, Peugeots, Renaults, whatever), as they are enthusiasts of everything Group B, you'll find they love all of the marques equally. And fair play to them...
... the most exciting racing I've ever seen still today, are the Rallycross Finals at Brands, just brutal and captivating!
Actually to drive they're bloody horrible (have driven stock road cars, driven Ford's own ex competition cars). Also, I've passengered in many from stock to Pat's car at it's peak, and from the passenger seat an Audi S1 felt and looked much more driveable and capable, as have properly converted 4x4 Focus' etc.
To question anyone's desire to spend upwards of £100,000 on an RS200 though is futile - the Group B collectors buy the cars (Fords, Peugeots, Renaults, whatever), as they are enthusiasts of everything Group B, you'll find they love all of the marques equally. And fair play to them...
... the most exciting racing I've ever seen still today, are the Rallycross Finals at Brands, just brutal and captivating!
04-03-2015, 12:02 PM
#30
To be fair the banning of group B had nothing to do with ford, I was watching a programme with Malcom Wilson talking and he said the RS200 had a fantastic potential, especially with all the suspension travel it had, said it was a future championship winning car if only they hadn't banned group B.
Agree though, on paper, the Evo version of the RS200 was the most developed Group B car there was and would have been a winner.
04-03-2015, 12:10 PM
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Oh ye I forgot about that! Saying that, look at where spectators stood!
04-03-2015, 12:29 PM
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) so I must have missed a lot of the Ford bashing. I would argue that the Marc Surer (RS200) and Henri Toivonen (Delta S4) crashes were a better (or worse, depending on how you look at it) indication as to what weapons the Group B cars were.
Originally Posted by PF Ben
The only RS200 that I love / have respect for is Pat Doran's RS200 from the good old days of pre Euro reg Rallycross. In my opinion however, the car was competitve I'm convinced, because of big Pat's driving style and will to win not as a reflection of the RS200 being a better car than its peers! Julian's input no doubt helped too.
The Norwegian RS200 that was up for sale recently is pretty much road car perfection in my eyes...
...sadly I haven't had a recent lottery win, so I couldn't buy it. I hear that someone called Ken had enough cash to hand though...
04-03-2015, 12:54 PM
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EDIT: Just checked, apparently he sold the rallycross car recently! Read that he wanted to turn it into a 700bhp road car with a sequential gearbox!
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04-03-2015, 01:05 PM
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Yours for 1.2 million Swedish Krona (about £100,000). Certainly not cheap, but a lot of car for the money.Not my choice of colour scheme, but at least it echoes the original period livery. I believe it is now going matt black.
The ex-rallycross car that Block bought was the old Trevor Hopkins car. Block sold the ex-Hopkins car recently to Terry Maynard, who is currently in the process of restoring it to use in the Retro Rallycross Championship. Bizarrely Block had it for around 2 years and didn't touch it, I read that the project was delayed as they couldn't get a sequential box for it, but that made no sense to me as there is a Quaife option available and any half-clued up RS200 builder could have told him that.
04-03-2015, 01:06 PM
#35
Just researched it and found it was this one. What shame, it looked stunning there!
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Nice spec though; 811bhp and sequential 'box. No wonder Ken Block bought it!
EDIT: Posted that after seeing the reply.
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Nice spec though; 811bhp and sequential 'box. No wonder Ken Block bought it!
EDIT: Posted that after seeing the reply.
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04-03-2015, 01:11 PM
#36
It was built to (and beyond) Evo specification with a 2.4L BDT/E (making 811 BHP/900 Ft. Lbs) and a Quaife sequential box. Yours for 1.2 million Swedish Krona (about £100,000). Certainly not cheap, but a lot of car for the money.
Not my choice of colour scheme, but at least it echoes the original period livery. I believe it is now going matt black.
The ex-rallycross car that Block bought was the old Trevor Hopkins car. Block sold the ex-Hopkins car recently to Terry Maynard, who is currently in the process of restoring it to use in the Retro Rallycross Championship. Bizarrely Block had it for around 2 years and didn't touch it, I read that the project was delayed as they couldn't get a sequential box for it, but that made no sense to me as there is a Quaife option available and any half-clued up RS200 builder could have told him that.
Yours for 1.2 million Swedish Krona (about £100,000). Certainly not cheap, but a lot of car for the money.Not my choice of colour scheme, but at least it echoes the original period livery. I believe it is now going matt black.
The ex-rallycross car that Block bought was the old Trevor Hopkins car. Block sold the ex-Hopkins car recently to Terry Maynard, who is currently in the process of restoring it to use in the Retro Rallycross Championship. Bizarrely Block had it for around 2 years and didn't touch it, I read that the project was delayed as they couldn't get a sequential box for it, but that made no sense to me as there is a Quaife option available and any half-clued up RS200 builder could have told him that.
I just read about Ken Block giving up due to Sadev not supplying a strong enough sequential. There's mention the Quaife is no good without the correct diffs, but you would have thought there were ways around that!
04-03-2015, 01:28 PM
#37
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Block has got the car he wanted without having to chop up a bit of history, I have my fingers crossed he'll use it for Gymkhana 8!
04-03-2015, 01:29 PM
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It was built to (and beyond) Evo specification with a 2.4L BDT/E (making 811 BHP/900 Ft. Lbs) and a Quaife sequential box. Yours for 1.2 million Swedish Krona (about £100,000). Certainly not cheap, but a lot of car for the money.
Not my choice of colour scheme, but at least it echoes the original period livery. I believe it is now going matt black.
The ex-rallycross car that Block bought was the old Trevor Hopkins car. Block sold the ex-Hopkins car recently to Terry Maynard, who is currently in the process of restoring it to use in the Retro Rallycross Championship. Bizarrely Block had it for around 2 years and didn't touch it, I read that the project was delayed as they couldn't get a sequential box for it, but that made no sense to me as there is a Quaife option available and any half-clued up RS200 builder could have told him that.
Yours for 1.2 million Swedish Krona (about £100,000). Certainly not cheap, but a lot of car for the money.Not my choice of colour scheme, but at least it echoes the original period livery. I believe it is now going matt black.
The ex-rallycross car that Block bought was the old Trevor Hopkins car. Block sold the ex-Hopkins car recently to Terry Maynard, who is currently in the process of restoring it to use in the Retro Rallycross Championship. Bizarrely Block had it for around 2 years and didn't touch it, I read that the project was delayed as they couldn't get a sequential box for it, but that made no sense to me as there is a Quaife option available and any half-clued up RS200 builder could have told him that.
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04-03-2015, 01:38 PM
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Ah, my apologies, I didn't know the currency in Norway was similarly named! I was a bit confused at the time as to why a Norwegian car was priced in Swedish currency, that explains.
Just had a quick Google and the exchange isn't massively different: 1.2 million Norwegian Krone is £100900, so still a relative bargain for the car... and still a lot more than I can afford!
Just had a quick Google and the exchange isn't massively different: 1.2 million Norwegian Krone is £100900, so still a relative bargain for the car... and still a lot more than I can afford!