Borg Warner EFR Build Quality Shocking!
23-07-2014, 10:23 PM
#81
If I had seen BW photos showing these lovely turbos, and seen other people had bought them....
Then I ordered and bought expecting the same...surely I'd have every right to be pissed off when something very different arrives ?
Yes the turbo's main purpose is to make power etc...but none of BW's literature shows the nasty looking housing.
Some people care as much about the appearance of cars, engine bays etc as they do it's performance.
Then I ordered and bought expecting the same...surely I'd have every right to be pissed off when something very different arrives ?
Yes the turbo's main purpose is to make power etc...but none of BW's literature shows the nasty looking housing.
Some people care as much about the appearance of cars, engine bays etc as they do it's performance.
Rich
23-07-2014, 11:07 PM
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How much did you pay? My bro just picked up a 9180 for £1300 ( official uk purchase ). considering you get the boost solenoid and a dump valve too i don't think the cost is too bad considering what goes into these turbos. The housing on my bros 9180 looked similar to yours. Not great but wow what a turbo
24-07-2014, 08:19 AM
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24-07-2014, 08:58 AM
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Probably is a good chance you got a turbo, in which that particular casting came from a bad batch. May not look pretty. But it would have been x-rayed, and flow tested prior to signing off!!
On the other hand though you are right Rich, if it looks like its been cast with shite material from china, whats to say the internals arent made with shite materials from china. Whats also to say it has passed tests, but was tested and stamped off by an idiot??
BorgWarner may have die hard fans (like Mark and the likes of), who will speak positive of their reliability and performance. But it isnt to say the one you got will be like that!!
Sometimes it can be a case of you buy cheap, you buy twice!! In this case its 50/50
On the other hand though you are right Rich, if it looks like its been cast with shite material from china, whats to say the internals arent made with shite materials from china. Whats also to say it has passed tests, but was tested and stamped off by an idiot??
BorgWarner may have die hard fans (like Mark and the likes of), who will speak positive of their reliability and performance. But it isnt to say the one you got will be like that!!
Sometimes it can be a case of you buy cheap, you buy twice!! In this case its 50/50
24-07-2014, 11:43 AM
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I've found that life I needed.. It's HERE!!
The finish of my car is as important to me as the performance, you spend enough and in return the product needs to reflect this in both areas, I'm sure on a track or rally car it would be fine but someone's pride and joy?
So called experts/tuners that think this is acceptable and apply an "it'll do attitude" are certainly not fit to work on any car of mine.
I'd be looking for a replacement with a better cast finish or my money back, if it looks like that on the outside it wouldn't give me much confidence in the rest of it.
So called experts/tuners that think this is acceptable and apply an "it'll do attitude" are certainly not fit to work on any car of mine.
I'd be looking for a replacement with a better cast finish or my money back, if it looks like that on the outside it wouldn't give me much confidence in the rest of it.
24-07-2014, 12:07 PM
#86
Its not exactly Bagdad bangers we're driving around in , the neat n tidy look is most wanted ,BW must of expected some critisism on the finish when you consider how good the original look is. People dont mind if you tend to give them a heads up before purchase.
Then you can decide first.One thing for sure is if you dont say you dont get!
You have every right to be unimpressed mate imo regardless how good performance is and for how long.
Then you can decide first.One thing for sure is if you dont say you dont get!
You have every right to be unimpressed mate imo regardless how good performance is and for how long.
24-07-2014, 01:42 PM
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This was mine from about 6 months ago, supplied by CR Turbos. Was a bit rough on the casting I must admit but I have to say the performance out weighs the looks 10 fold so its one of those things you just accept to reap the gains.
06-08-2014, 09:23 AM
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I know absolutely nothing about casting, but surely it wouldn't have been too hard for someone to have gone over it and sorted out the finish before it was assembled?
06-08-2014, 09:39 AM
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If all the castings were visually poor, then it'd be fair enough, that's how they are.
But it does seem there are huge variations. Even the rough one above says BW on it though.
If you had the patience, you could clean it up yourself with a flapwheel in a grinder or something.
Although obviously he probably doesnt want to have to do that, especially when some of the earlier units do look pretty damn good.
But it does seem there are huge variations. Even the rough one above says BW on it though.
If you had the patience, you could clean it up yourself with a flapwheel in a grinder or something.
Although obviously he probably doesnt want to have to do that, especially when some of the earlier units do look pretty damn good.
06-08-2014, 10:16 AM
#93
I recently purchased a s200 Borg Warner and it's really good quality considering it's a lot cheaper, I'm planning on getting an efr soon, but definetly thinking twice about it now after seeing the quality of this one. It's easy to say doesn't matter what it looks like but to me it does as I show my car too and at that price should be well presented.
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