Grantcos

I have the newer licence, so can drive only up to 3500kg.

I want to buy one, for my own use, for buying cars that are not running to fix up and sell...

So.

Do I need an operators licence?
If it has a winch / no winch what are these classed as and have such different rules?
What sort of weight would a 13ft transit be itself, before I could get a car on the back?

If it has twin rear wheels, does this mean i cant drive it on a car licence?

If I was to get a licence to drive something more than 3500kg what would this cost or would it be cheaper getting a trailer test, I heard these were about Ł400

Thanks lads

tommytwotanks

have you tried the VOSA website, "vehicle and operator services agency" its vosa and/or the police that will have something to say if the catch you doing something you shouldn't

tommy

scoobydooby914

On your license you can get a 3.5 t beavertail truck and do what you want with it. I think with the extra axle it might be over weight. Maybe it's 4 t that's why people add axles. You don't need an operators licence for anything up to 3.5t and there's no tachograph restrictions.

kevin

Think you could be wronjg here................

Anyone using a vehicle of that weight as use in any form of
business will need tacho/operators licence.
That why now even builders with pickups towing trailers
are fitted with tachos.
Vosa etc are cracking down on this issue because
of the problems with pikeys using beavertails etc
to collect scrap etc and running a bussiness.
You may get away with it, depends
on the vigulance of the officer that stops you,..

Only my thoughts.
But working for a recovery company thats our understanding of it.
And having to recover vehicles siezed by the police.
Be warned.

scoobydooby914

On your license you can get a 3.5 t beavertail truck and do what you want with it. I think with the extra axle it might be over weight. Maybe it's 4 t that's why people add axles. You don't need an operators licence for anything up to 3.5t and there's no tachograph restrictions.

kevin

IF you are using to earn money be warned

focusv8

That's more to do with not having a Waste Carriers licence for carrying other peoples waste (scrap).


EU Directive 74/561 requires operators using goods vehicles over 3.5 tonnes gross vehicle weight for the commercial carriage of goods to be in possession of an Operator's Licence.

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ajamesc

If its 3.5 tons and over and used for hire and reward or recovery going outside of 60 miles from your base you will need a tacho

kevin

now that i know to be correct

ajamesc

It is i fit and calibrate tachos as part of my job

rsturbolee

not with 3.5t no operators licence, the 60km rule is for recovery taxed vehicles, you will need a tacho if towing a trailer otherwise not.

you will need to seek a lightweight truck as so many of them are just too heavy, mine weighs in at 1890kg which is quite good to be honest

ajamesc

with 3.5 tons or over operators licence or not if used for hire or reward you will need a tacho lol unless you are a recovery truck that stays with in 60 miles of its base these are the rules we work to for mot prep and the rules we have as a stoneridge tacho centre

fraser9764

iTrader: (3)

very true, if your truck weighs 2.5 tonne, and your gvw is 3.5 you can only pick up >1000kg vehichles legally. i saw one a while back, transit beavertail, with another transit beavertail on the back of it now thats never going to be legal.
when i was looking at them a while ago most of them weighed silly amounts, especially as i wanted a crew cab.

rsturbolee

3.5t doesnt need a tacho mate unless its towing

ive run 3 recovery trucks all lightweight beavertails for the last 4 years, had many vosa stops

stevieturbo

Just buy a jeep and a good trailer.

Caprigirl

Tax'd as recovery , thats all you can do , and Vosa can ask you to prove that you have recovered the car from a break down

If there is no tax on the car they will class this as transportation and not recovery.

The law is clamping down on all these grey.

I gave up recovery vehicle and bought a brian James trailer fitted with an electric winch. Towed with my van and there is no restrictions on it and its just as effective

scoobydooby914

So as I said earlier you can buy a 3.5t beavertail and do what you want with it. Tachographs do not come into play until you go over 3.5t neither do operators licenses. You can carry anything on the back as long as it's taxed to do so but seen as your just moving your own cars then it won't be a problem. But as said before these beavertails are not always the lightest of trucks and with the average sized car being over 1500kg this means you can't weigh anymore than 2000kg or 2t. If possible get yourself an aluminium bedded truck as these have a much bigger payload

Saaamon

iTrader: (2)

You only need a tacho for hire and reward. You only need an operators license for hire and reward.

Personally i wouldn't bother with a 3.5t beavertail you cant put fuck all on the back, do your car trailer test, dont be put off thinking its gonna be to hard or too much hassle, it will be a laugh and at the end of the day you can already drive, your just taught how to position the vehicle so it fits in the road. Once you've passed, providing you have a suitable vehicle (landrover, transit etc) you'll be able to have a train weight of 5tons, which is plenty.

foreigneRS

you've got that symbol totally wrong, that means 'greater than' not 'up to'. you mean < 1000kg, i.e less than

24vcossiemat

if it is only a 3.5 tonne one you need nothing but a licence, search the forums for recovery rules and there has been loads of chat on this.. if you go above 3.5 tonne then you require a tacho if going over 100km radius of your base, meaning where the truck is registered and operates from. this is as the crow flies mileage of course.

Saaamon

iTrader: (2)

The guy says its for private use, so its not recovery as this would be hire and reward.

rsturbolee

my truck weighs 1890 for arguments sake 2.1t with me in it and fuel etc etc

so that leaves 1400kg, a lot of cars are under this, most cars even mpv's are 1500 or under, also it is risky but vosa operate a 5 percent rule if your under the 5 percent rule you get a slap on the wrist, 5 percent of 3500kg is 175kg

technicly if you come in under that you should be ok if you and your truck are in good order.

i went to cornwall other day for a 07 vectra 2.2 sri that fooker weighed 1460kg! then the bastard sais he must come with me and he weighed 100kg lol

my arse was twitching as i was approaching the vosa checkpoint by plymouth

Mr RS500

iTrader: (6)

You have been lucky mate

if its for sale or reward ( that you come under ) you DO need a a tacho

There is a way round the law tho no matter what your driving

Mr RS500

iTrader: (6)

thats the key

JohnWales

hello
I`m new here,your discussion is similar to my concern,,please can you help,I`m thinking of buying a diesel 3500k Transit beaver tail to transport my Ferguson 20,and attached plough,to shows and ploughing matches,the tractor and plough attached weigh 1500kl my thinking is to go for twin rear wheels,and alloy deck which would have to be over 15feet,length,any insurance or road tax prices i can expect.
many thanks for your help

m11rcm

The issue I had was you can use it for your own use and to transport to and from shows as long as you don't win. even a trophey counts as reward you didn't need a tacho if you win you need a tacho simple for me a never won much anyway.

Cheers marc

Straight_4_N/a

tacho for a trailer lmao
a trailer is only a temp item and as long as you stay under the length and weight regs your totaly fine to use you normal lincse tax and insurance.

rsturbolee

Here's mine

fuzzy

does transporting cars to fix up and sell come under the hire or reward banner as you are doing it aiming for profit ?

bigbry1

I am considering buying a twin cab beaver tail to transport my competition car to and hopefully back from sprints and hillclimbs. I also will be towing my caravan, do I need a tacho? and can I register it as private? No danger of winning anything!

marky_g

As long as you have a licence that gives you ability to drive/tow above 3.5 ton I think you'll be ok

I work at a caravan dealers and i could previously drive any combination up to 3.5 ton

For over 3.5 ton I just need to do a towing course that was about 140 quid

Got caught towing my fully trimmed roadcar on a big Brain James trailer with a ford ranger so I was very very over weight lol

ossie cossie

More picture,s of transit recovery trucks. I am making one myself for my race car. ideas needed.

TrevCos

iTrader: (1)

I definitely think you should get a beavertail, I never miss any opportunity to use the word 'beaver' in any sentence.

SeanW88

You'd love Immingham Sea Cadets then...TS Beaver...

ajamesc

Yep it dose and if over 3.5 ton gvw or gtw you need a tacho as you are working for reward and not doing recovery. Most say you won't but they don't know what there talking about. I'll agree most coppers will not know or bother you but if you have an accident or get stopped buy vosa you could get done

TrevCos

iTrader: (1)

Nice Beaver!