Ford Transit Connect TDCI- Will Not Start!
11-03-2011, 05:28 PM
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Ford Transit Connect TDCI- Will Not Start!
Basically, I brought a transit connect 2004 90ps.
The van had a broken con rod when I picked it up (I brought it as a non runner)
I have fitted a replacement engine and it refueses to start. It will start on easy start but cut out as soon as it's all used up.
When we fitted the engine we used everything from the old engine so as not to get a coding issue.
We've used a hand pump to suck diesel from the tank and prime the system.
If you crack an injector nut off totally when cranking you get a load of air out and then fuel dribbles out at no great speed.
I've plugged my dynostics into it at it comes up with :- P2291- low injector pressure when cranking.
Is there any way of totally bleeding the system or bleeding the pump?
I seems to me like the high pressure pump has shit itself but it must of worked for the old engine to break a con rod?
You can tell the van was moving at speed when the rod went as there's oil all over the rear bumper and all over the underside of the van.
Any ideas.
Cheers.
Mike
The van had a broken con rod when I picked it up (I brought it as a non runner)
I have fitted a replacement engine and it refueses to start. It will start on easy start but cut out as soon as it's all used up.
When we fitted the engine we used everything from the old engine so as not to get a coding issue.
We've used a hand pump to suck diesel from the tank and prime the system.
If you crack an injector nut off totally when cranking you get a load of air out and then fuel dribbles out at no great speed.
I've plugged my dynostics into it at it comes up with :- P2291- low injector pressure when cranking.
Is there any way of totally bleeding the system or bleeding the pump?
I seems to me like the high pressure pump has shit itself but it must of worked for the old engine to break a con rod?
You can tell the van was moving at speed when the rod went as there's oil all over the rear bumper and all over the underside of the van.
Any ideas.
Cheers.
Mike
11-03-2011, 07:20 PM
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11-03-2011, 07:55 PM
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Have you got the new engines injectors? On some of the connect tdci's you dont have to code in the injectors could be worth while tring them.
They can be a bit of a bitch to bleed off, i normally take the middle pipe off the fuel filter and put a hand primer on until the fuel comes through then connect the other side of the primer to the pipe and pump it through then it should start.
Good luck
They can be a bit of a bitch to bleed off, i normally take the middle pipe off the fuel filter and put a hand primer on until the fuel comes through then connect the other side of the primer to the pipe and pump it through then it should start.
Good luck
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11-03-2011, 08:40 PM
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Just tried tow starting it and the glow plug light started flashing.
I've now got code P0251:- Injecton pump fuel metering control A malfunction
I've now got code P0251:- Injecton pump fuel metering control A malfunction
11-03-2011, 08:47 PM
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make sure the regulator on the pump[i think thats what its called] is very very tight as i had a similar problem ,i couldnt get the engine to fire off and it seemed to be getting enough diesel .i rang a diesel specialist and he said its quite common and to tighten it really welll as it will draw air
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The new engine was literally a bare block and head with the valves and pistons ect.
Everything to do the the Injecton system, sensors, pipes, cam, the lot are from the original engine.
I've just cracked off the injector pipe again and cranking it and a load of air came out followed by a dribble of diesel.
Does anyone know how to fully bleed the system?
I've connected a hand pump to the supply from the tank, to the outer pin on the filter and pumped till diesel came out. The I connected the other two pipe, cracked off all the injectors and pumped like mad for about 15mins, ( I didn't get any fuel out the injector pipes but I'm not sure your meant too, I know you do with TDDI)
Other than that it must be drawing in air somewhere as stated above.
Everything to do the the Injecton system, sensors, pipes, cam, the lot are from the original engine.
I've just cracked off the injector pipe again and cranking it and a load of air came out followed by a dribble of diesel.
Does anyone know how to fully bleed the system?
I've connected a hand pump to the supply from the tank, to the outer pin on the filter and pumped till diesel came out. The I connected the other two pipe, cracked off all the injectors and pumped like mad for about 15mins, ( I didn't get any fuel out the injector pipes but I'm not sure your meant too, I know you do with TDDI)
Other than that it must be drawing in air somewhere as stated above.
11-03-2011, 08:59 PM
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make sure the regulator on the pump[i think thats what its called] is very very tight as i had a similar problem ,i couldnt get the engine to fire off and it seemed to be getting enough diesel .i rang a diesel specialist and he said its quite common and to tighten it really welll as it will draw air
Is it one of the sensor looking things on the back of the pump? I think on mine one has a blue plug and one has a brown plug.
11-03-2011, 09:21 PM
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No. I haven't touched the leak offs. Looking at the roughting of the leak offs the pipes go into the return of the pump. That then goes back up to the filter. I'd imagine when I had the hand pump on the filter, diesel was pumped backwards down the return.
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Trouble is the injectors are Ł150 a pop and a pump rebuild is Ł600
One of the injectors is brand new and been coded
Diesels are so bloody expensive when they pack up!
One of the injectors is brand new and been coded
Diesels are so bloody expensive when they pack up!
12-03-2011, 06:17 AM
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On your diagnostics can you access live data from ECU?
To test the Fuel rail pressure, disconnect all the injector multi plugs and the inlet metering valve (brown plug on the 'pump') then crank for 5 secs. Fuel pressure should be 1600bar. It'll need 250 bar to start/idle with everything plugged in.
(with the IMV disconnected the pump should deliver it's maximum pressure)
Obviously you need to make sure the low pressure side is primed before doing this!
As others have said, hand primer on the filter normally works, I've never cracked off the injectors on a TDCI when trying to start it, never needed to. Surely that will draw air in..
If you have P0251 it could be a pump problem, but it could also be fault with injectors/air leaks/filter blocked/fuel pipes crimped.
With fuel low pressure side primed and fuel pressure tested, if the pressure is low you need to do a leak off test on the injectors.
(random google pic)
If you haven't got the fancy kit to test leak off, just get 4 EQUAL lengths of washer pipe that'll fit on the injector leak offs and 4 tubs/bottles/whatever that are transparent.
Again disconnect the injectors and inlet metering valve, and 5 sec crank and check if fuel is present in any of the hoses, if one has a load of fuel in, there's your faulty injector that is losing your fuel pressure!
If you can get it started, you can run it with the leak offs into the containers and run it for a minute to see how your leak offs compare.
When Transits and Mondeos had all the injector problems we had to ring Ford prior approval to get them to authorise the replacement under warranty, proper ball ache having to go through the results of all of the above, plus compression test results...
Ford prior approval : "whats your 1 min run test leak off quantity"
GVK - "Haven't done one"
Ford prior approval "Why not?"
GVK - "It fills the bottle in 30 secs, If I run it for a minute it'll piss diesel on the floor!
Ford prior approval "Oh, errr, I see - fit an injector in that cylinder then.."
To test the Fuel rail pressure, disconnect all the injector multi plugs and the inlet metering valve (brown plug on the 'pump') then crank for 5 secs. Fuel pressure should be 1600bar. It'll need 250 bar to start/idle with everything plugged in.
(with the IMV disconnected the pump should deliver it's maximum pressure)
Obviously you need to make sure the low pressure side is primed before doing this!
As others have said, hand primer on the filter normally works, I've never cracked off the injectors on a TDCI when trying to start it, never needed to. Surely that will draw air in..
If you have P0251 it could be a pump problem, but it could also be fault with injectors/air leaks/filter blocked/fuel pipes crimped.
With fuel low pressure side primed and fuel pressure tested, if the pressure is low you need to do a leak off test on the injectors.
(random google pic)
If you haven't got the fancy kit to test leak off, just get 4 EQUAL lengths of washer pipe that'll fit on the injector leak offs and 4 tubs/bottles/whatever that are transparent.
Again disconnect the injectors and inlet metering valve, and 5 sec crank and check if fuel is present in any of the hoses, if one has a load of fuel in, there's your faulty injector that is losing your fuel pressure!
If you can get it started, you can run it with the leak offs into the containers and run it for a minute to see how your leak offs compare.
When Transits and Mondeos had all the injector problems we had to ring Ford prior approval to get them to authorise the replacement under warranty, proper ball ache having to go through the results of all of the above, plus compression test results...
Ford prior approval : "whats your 1 min run test leak off quantity"
GVK - "Haven't done one"
Ford prior approval "Why not?"
GVK - "It fills the bottle in 30 secs, If I run it for a minute it'll piss diesel on the floor!
Ford prior approval "Oh, errr, I see - fit an injector in that cylinder then.."
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Think I've found the issue!
No. 3 injector just pisses diesel out the leak off. I mean pisses it out! I'm off to get a new injector, so fingers crossed we should have a result by thisafternoon
No. 3 injector just pisses diesel out the leak off. I mean pisses it out! I'm off to get a new injector, so fingers crossed we should have a result by thisafternoon
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Started first flick with the new injector.
Thanks for everyones help
Now I've got a new problem that I'll start a new thread for. It aboslutly pisses oil out from the crankshaft oil seal behind the pulley. I've tried another seal but it still pisses out!
I know the oil pump is behind the pulley. Any ideas?
Thanks for everyones help
Now I've got a new problem that I'll start a new thread for. It aboslutly pisses oil out from the crankshaft oil seal behind the pulley. I've tried another seal but it still pisses out!
I know the oil pump is behind the pulley. Any ideas?
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Hi i have the same problem with my mondeo just about to do the leak back test. i have a question if you want to start the car or try to do you plug the imv back in? clearly you have to plug the injectors back in any advice would be gretfully received.
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ok just done the nleak off and nothing on any injector i was expecting a little from all but nothing not even a dribble. Should there be? i did change the fuel filter recently and i am expecting it is dud!! i do not think there is fuel reaching the injectors? any idea's?
07-07-2012, 02:20 PM
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ok just done the nleak off and nothing on any injector i was expecting a little from all but nothing not even a dribble. Should there be? i did change the fuel filter recently and i am expecting it is dud!! i do not think there is fuel reaching the injectors? any idea's?
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So another update my problem was caused by a new faulty bosch fuel fileter, i knew ir was not right the second i removed it as it was only 1/4 full of fuel. fitted a new delphi filter took my time priming it and problem is no resolved. car runs well and fires up as it should. i had only done 500 miles on the bosch filter!!!!
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On your diagnostics can you access live data from ECU?
To test the Fuel rail pressure, disconnect all the injector multi plugs and the inlet metering valve (brown plug on the 'pump') then crank for 5 secs. Fuel pressure should be 1600bar. It'll need 250 bar to start/idle with everything plugged in.
(with the IMV disconnected the pump should deliver it's maximum pressure)
Obviously you need to make sure the low pressure side is primed before doing this!
As others have said, hand primer on the filter normally works, I've never cracked off the injectors on a TDCI when trying to start it, never needed to. Surely that will draw air in..
If you have P0251 it could be a pump problem, but it could also be fault with injectors/air leaks/filter blocked/fuel pipes crimped.
With fuel low pressure side primed and fuel pressure tested, if the pressure is low you need to do a leak off test on the injectors.
(random google pic)
If you haven't got the fancy kit to test leak off, just get 4 EQUAL lengths of washer pipe that'll fit on the injector leak offs and 4 tubs/bottles/whatever that are transparent.
Again disconnect the injectors and inlet metering valve, and 5 sec crank and check if fuel is present in any of the hoses, if one has a load of fuel in, there's your faulty injector that is losing your fuel pressure!
If you can get it started, you can run it with the leak offs into the containers and run it for a minute to see how your leak offs compare.
When Transits and Mondeos had all the injector problems we had to ring Ford prior approval to get them to authorise the replacement under warranty, proper ball ache having to go through the results of all of the above, plus compression test results...
Ford prior approval : "whats your 1 min run test leak off quantity"
GVK - "Haven't done one"
Ford prior approval "Why not?"
GVK - "It fills the bottle in 30 secs, If I run it for a minute it'll piss diesel on the floor!
Ford prior approval "Oh, errr, I see - fit an injector in that cylinder then.."
To test the Fuel rail pressure, disconnect all the injector multi plugs and the inlet metering valve (brown plug on the 'pump') then crank for 5 secs. Fuel pressure should be 1600bar. It'll need 250 bar to start/idle with everything plugged in.
(with the IMV disconnected the pump should deliver it's maximum pressure)
Obviously you need to make sure the low pressure side is primed before doing this!
As others have said, hand primer on the filter normally works, I've never cracked off the injectors on a TDCI when trying to start it, never needed to. Surely that will draw air in..
If you have P0251 it could be a pump problem, but it could also be fault with injectors/air leaks/filter blocked/fuel pipes crimped.
With fuel low pressure side primed and fuel pressure tested, if the pressure is low you need to do a leak off test on the injectors.
(random google pic)
If you haven't got the fancy kit to test leak off, just get 4 EQUAL lengths of washer pipe that'll fit on the injector leak offs and 4 tubs/bottles/whatever that are transparent.
Again disconnect the injectors and inlet metering valve, and 5 sec crank and check if fuel is present in any of the hoses, if one has a load of fuel in, there's your faulty injector that is losing your fuel pressure!
If you can get it started, you can run it with the leak offs into the containers and run it for a minute to see how your leak offs compare.
When Transits and Mondeos had all the injector problems we had to ring Ford prior approval to get them to authorise the replacement under warranty, proper ball ache having to go through the results of all of the above, plus compression test results...
Ford prior approval : "whats your 1 min run test leak off quantity"
GVK - "Haven't done one"
Ford prior approval "Why not?"
GVK - "It fills the bottle in 30 secs, If I run it for a minute it'll piss diesel on the floor!
Ford prior approval "Oh, errr, I see - fit an injector in that cylinder then.."
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05-09-2013, 06:19 PM
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You only disconnect the imv & injectors to test the fuel pump and injectors as it should give maximum pressure, if any injectors are leaking off excessively you will lose fuel pressure during the test I have described above.
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Ford prior approval : "whats your 1 min run test leak off quantity"
GVK - "Haven't done one"
Ford prior approval "Why not?"
GVK - "It fills the bottle in 30 secs, If I run it for a minute it'll piss diesel on the floor!
Ford prior approval "Oh, errr, I see - fit an injector in that cylinder then.."
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Same problem.... won't start
I have a focus 1.8 tdci (with delphi system) that won't start. It's a 53 plate mk1 2004 model. Diagnosis has revealed 110 Bar (read via diagnostic from fuel pressure sensor) and it's the same 110 Bar when the IMV is disconnected. Would the pump give this much pressure if knackered or is it possible the pump is good but one of the injectors has gone and is leaking off all the pressure. What pressure would you expect from a knackered pump if it's 250 Bar minimum to start the engine?
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