Making a rollcage out of exhaust tubing...?

[Chip]

seems to go very narrow on that 45 degree bend, should think that will compromise any usefulness by a great deal.

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[xrsi]

your saying that the .4mm thickness differeence is not going to be that much of an issue but then alsoremember the diameter of the pipe has increased by approx 20% also. This coupled with the quality of the metal and the fact its seamed tube means its as much use as one made of playdo!!!

Yes it may look ok and yes it may of been alot cheaper but for the cost and hassel of having it done he may as well of got it done with the propepr tube!

[dojj]

Originally Posted by Chip

seems to go very narrow on that 45 degree bend, should think that will compromise any usefulness by a great deal.

at least the weld is on the outside so it's only going to injure the people who are going to come and help, not the occupants

[a rs licker]

anyone want a chocolate fire guard

[Mr.T]

Originally Posted by a rs licker

anyone want a chocolate fire guard

Says the one with the name ars licker

[TWoods]

This year we had to change a few cars cages because now deemed unsafe especially on caterham locost types we had to send cages away to mira and pay lots of money to get approval. The main points raised at mira was too many diagonal sections these had to be removed from roof, sides and back end. The other thing was some bends and angles are no longer deemed safe from main cage pick up points in a b and c pillars to other cross section fail scrutineering too. So we had to go and redesign a lot from the sevens and historic race cars.

I think show cages should be totally illegal and uninsurable some of these dole money morons are a danger to themselves and others.

[Saaamon]

Originally Posted by TWoods

I think show cages should be totally illegal and uninsurable some of these dole money morons are a danger to themselves and others.

+1! Along with aftermarket HIDs while were on the subject

[Pugme]

Wow!! sorry people im a bit late geting hold of this!!

hmmmm im slightly concerned by the fact the OP has spent so much time posting and quoting and copying links!! stalker me thinks!!

anyways, i believe in the many quotes it does state this cage is not being used for structural qualities!! I think the OP should be a little less timid and perhaps ask questions to the actual owner! LOL

the reason the cage was put in was for a modified car show, maybe the OP should of mentioned what other cars i have and maybe you would of understood why i did this

If the OP actually knew me, he would know i worked at an exhaust company for six months and we put this in for a crack for nothign more than the cost of materials. its a shame he doesnt have any of the finsihed photos, as it really looks the nuts from a distance as we painted it kwasaki green, but alas there was too many runs in it for my liking

it is fully gusseted (sp) to the A and B pillars, and welded to the floor in 6 places. Im not particularly fussed if you think this is dangerous because i know if you looked under my show car, ud probably shit bricks!! lol oh and to the guy worried about insurane police whatever, it was notified to them as a show cage, because thats what it is??

[Pugme]

anyone link me to the newbie room?? i am actually a ford owner as well, so while im here you guys can help me out!! lol

[Chip]

Cant even see the point in it as a show cage, cause with the narrowed bends it just looks shite anyway.

But I guess it depends who is looking at it, i guess some stupid kids at a car show probably wont spot that.

We dont have a specific newbie section.



If we had a co-incidence room though it would suit you even better than a newbie one.

Guess what?
http://www.106owners.co.uk/forums/sh...not-peugeot%29

There is another bloke with exactly the same username who is building a van too, but his isnt a show van, its a TRACK van

Small world eh?

Some quotes from him:

Originally Posted by pugme

ill be uprating the antirollbars and im presuming the cage will strengthen the chasis up as well, so i think it will be good but im expecting it to have severe lift off over steer on track, due to the lack off weight on the rear.

Originally Posted by pugme

once the lumps in ill be hitting open pit trackdays up and down the country with it, so im sure we can meet up at some point

[paul16v]

Is the car actually used on the road with that cage fitted? if so it could be dangerous!

[focusv8]

Originally Posted by Pugme

anyone link me to the newbie room?? lol

This is the newbie room
You just put your head around the door and be prepared to get shot at.

Fortunately for you, you missed it all.

Welcome

.

[Pugme]

LOL, u never been to USC!! lol

because i was working at the exhaust company, thats why we did it! lol, maybe if id have been building a showroom for a roll cage company it would have been different! tbf for a while we were contemplating mounting a free air sub into the rear cross sections! lol

honestly i dont why people get so worked up over silly things! surely the fact its on 18" rotas on -3 camber and running 18mm positive offset, is enough to show this van is just a bit of a crack!! but to be fair id of thought the 80's cool jap front bumper woudl have stated all of the above!!

ah cheers lads, and nope not been driven on the road as the 200,000 mile diesel lump gave up the ghost, id have thought the OP would have known this, he seems to be following me!! lol

you guys do realise that pic doesnt actually show even half the cage, yeah??

[Martin-Hadland]

Might as well have used proper tubing and had all the benefits, show cages What the hell are they all about?! Should have used push fit UPVC bathroom waste tubing instead hahahaha.

[Pugme]

lol, this particular van doesnt need the benefits, my other van on the other hand

anyone who shake sa stick at free shit, what am i saying, im in england, were all on the dole! woop woop!!

i dunno if any of you guys attend modified chav shows?? i own a silly little fibreglass peugeot as well (called Pugme), and a twin turbo estate car, and my little ford 1.4D van maybe if OP had of explained this maybe it would have all made more sense!!

OH well, better late than never!

[Chip]

Originally Posted by Martin-Reyland

Might as well have used proper tubing and had all the benefits, show cages What the hell are they all about?! Should have used push fit UPVC bathroom waste tubing instead hahahaha.

Well the fella in the other thread with the identical username and identical van said that its point was to strengthen up the chassis to improve the handling, but obviously thats totally different to this one which is just a show cage.

I dont know much about cages obviously cause to me I cant tell the difference between the one in this thread which is a show cage:



And this one from the other thread which is a structural cage to improve the car on track:





They just look kind of the same to me TBH

[Martin-Hadland]

Originally Posted by Chip

Well the fella in the other thread with the identical username and identical van said that its point was to strengthen up the chassis to improve the handling, but obviously thats totally different to this one which is just a show cage.

I dont know much about cages obviously cause to me I cant tell the difference between the one in this thread which is a show cage:



And this one from the other thread which is a structural cage to improve the car on track:





They just look kind of the same to me TBH

I normally rubber mount my exhaust tube roll cages just like an exhaust

[Pugme]

lol, they are the same pic??

yes by welding it to the a and b pillars it did seem to strengthen up the van, didnt seem to have as much body roll when we gave it a test drive "on private land of course" but the old diesel gave up the game! shame really, would love to have hit quarter mil!! lol

hey but this will only be my opinion, and i am by no means a serious track head!! so in all fairness buddy it could have all been in my head!

and i do believe iv only ever said it was to give the van a bit more rigidity, and to look pimp as fook!! lol could have been worded slightly different, im getting old ya see!

[Chip]

Cant be the same pic mate, one is a show cage, one is a structural cage apparently, according to the two people with those two vans with their two purposes, one show and one track

Adding more weight on the same strength suspension springs led to less body roll?
Yes I would think that is indeed in your head.

The other fella though, he didnt just imagine it after, it was actaully his intention all along that it wouldnt be just a show cage but would be structural

Originally Posted by pugme

im presuming the cage will strengthen the chasis up as well

[Pugme]

so the fact the word presuming is in there would presumably mean i didnt actually know?? or is that not correct definition??

rofl, i continually classed it as a roll cage of course because the van was being built as a "track style van", but i and the OP woudl know it was a show cage because he knows me!!?? No??

i knew it was a show cage, but to be frank, im not particular fussed bud, i had no intention of putting my life in the cage, would never been driving to the point where it may roll, and are you aware of my other car?? if you know me round tut net you obviously know my other cars, do you think the peugeot is safe then??

[3drzetec]

exhaust tube........are you mental????

[Pugme]

yep! why?? is that not allowed on a club like this??

cracks me up, u guys seem to think this is nuts, but you really have no idea!

[Chip]

Oh, its just track style is it?

I didnt realise that mate, sorry, I got the wrong end of the stick from the title of the thread calling it a track van I think.

Sorry about that.


I thought it was going to be used on track you see, I must have misread this bit as well:

Originally Posted by Pugme

once the lumps in ill be hitting open pit trackdays up and down the country with it, so im sure we can meet up at some point

Something about that somehow wrongly gave me the impression it was built for actually using on a track, not just "track styled" with a "show" cage etc

[Pugme]

and then shortly after that i bought another car?? so what did i buy chipalata??

and then i bought another car, what did i buy chippy boy!!

amazing how plans change, im sorry i didnt go back to edit my posts!! rofl

so chip, what are my 2 other cars!! search the net!! quick!!!

[Chip]

So it was going to be used for trackdays when it wasnt going to have a cage, then when you decided not to trackday it cause you have now decided just to show it, you then put a cage in it, to stengthen it for use at car shows?

Ok, makes perfect sense now

[Pugme]

huh! lool, no its not being used as a track car because i bought 2 more cars!! and i wasnt happy with the runs in the paint. the fact you think its unsafe woudl hardly of stopped me taking it out on track dude!!

if you notice the othe rblogs all stopped around the time i bought ar number 4, iv since enjoyed a few trackdays, and now iv bought car number 5.

but i do promise i will continually return o all previously made posts to edit them as my plans change to keep you and the OP in my social loop if you give me your number i could text you every time i knock one out??

[left hooker]

just for fuck sake dont sell it to someone telling them its a roll cage

[littleknocks]

Originally Posted by Pugme

i knew it was a show cage, but to be frank, im not particular fussed bud, i had no intention of putting my life in the cage, would never been driving to the point where it may roll, and are you aware of my other car?? if you know me round tut net you obviously know my other cars, do you think the peugeot is safe then??

tbh mate, the second you drive that thing on the public highway you're putting your life in the hands of what you are surrounded by. Roll or no roll, if you had a smash driving that, the cage will be a weapon.

[Si B]

Pugme has been totally busted by Chip

Pugme, take one of these for getting found out. That cage is shit in all senses of the word, but then I'm sure you realise that now after all the slating you've been getting on here and the other forum?

[Chip]

Originally Posted by Pugme

huh! lool, no its not being used as a track car because i bought 2 more cars!! and i wasnt happy with the runs in the paint. the fact you think its unsafe woudl hardly of stopped me taking it out on track dude!!

Indeed its very apparent from all the originally quoted replies from you that you wouldnt be letting a little thing like reasoning interfere with what you do with your van

if you notice the othe rblogs all stopped around the time i bought ar number 4, iv since enjoyed a few trackdays, and now iv bought car number 5.

I just typed "pugme astra van" into google and clicked on a link to your build thread as I wanted to see if you were talking utter shite in here about it never being intended for track, not ready anything else about you anywhere so havent noticed when the blog stopped or not mate, I think you are mistaken 10 seconds of googling for having a genuine interest

You must be VERY rich to afford all those cars though, im really jealous

[Pugme]

rofl, loving how you guys are judgin it without even seeing it finsihed!!

lol, its not even connected to the van in the above pics! from memory what you see in them pics didnt even remain, as we wasnt happy with how it looked in relation to the seat!! lolz

but oh no, it wont be sold on to anyone, might chop it into a car-b-q for next season tbh 5 cars is a bit of a handful come taxation time!

[Pugme]

rich, no im a mere builder!

lol, reasoning no! as said plans change buddy. at the time it all seemed a good idea, but then a nice estate car came along, and i moved in another direction. im sorry if that hurt your feelings man! as said, pm me your number, ill happily let you know what i do next

which other forum is that SI??

[Chip]

Originally Posted by Pugme

rofl, loving how you guys are judgin it without even seeing it finsihed!!

It doesnt need to be seen finished to know that having a load of steel tube with weakened bends in it splattered around you during a crash isnt a good thing.

lol, its not even connected to the van in the above pics! from memory what you see in them pics didnt even remain, as we wasnt happy with how it looked in relation to the seat!! lolz

but oh no, it wont be sold on to anyone, might chop it into a car-b-q for next season tbh 5 cars is a bit of a handful come taxation time!

You're REALLY proud of those 5 cars mate

[Pugme]

same could be said about my mdf/fibreglass dashboard?? but different strokes for different folks!

[LHD220Turbo]

[Chip]

Originally Posted by Pugme

same could be said about my mdf/fibreglass dashboard?? but different strokes for different folks!

Thats relatively unlikely to injure anyone I should think

[Pugme]

really! wow! ok then

busted for what exactly? changing my plans and not notifying the internet!!

dont worry people, i am know notifying chip with everything from here on, so he shall be able to keep the whole internet updated!!

(he's a good lad aint he!!) i must say it is sweet of chip to be concerned about all this! tbf i dont really care what other people do with there cars, specially not people i dont know!! lol

[SiZT]

Originally Posted by Pugme

rich, no im a mere builder!

How apt, you built a shit cage, Chip built a shit garage.

[Pugme]

oh shit sorry fella, im a carpenter! buildr was just a general term i used!!

i didnt build anything, the lads at the exhaust place did it for me while i worked upstairs! its worrying you guys thing this is dangerous!! maybe i should post the specs on my other cars wheel spacers!! lol you guys would have a field day!

this forums great, its just like barryboys!! they wont let me back on there

[Chip]

You'll struggle to stand out on here with talk of spacers, we've seen these ones: