rich123

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looking in to going for bigget turbo's for mine saw these on ebay just wonderd if any 1 has used them or if there any good

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/T3-T4-TURBO-CH...item35a793a3e9

wilky

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they don't have 360 bearing's in [well the ones i done for my mate]he's running 430 bhp
on one and hes mate has one too now

rich123

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so i guess they are pretty good then

scoooby slayer

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they are a good turbo but i wouldnt run anymore than around 22 psi, it will do it but wont last long. if your doing a budget build its ideal but you dont want to be seeing big temps or big boost with them. ive used them and sold quite a few ive done some wholesale orders from the usa.

scoooby slayer

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theres a few jobs that need to be done, oil inlet feed is 1/8 but gas thread i think so needs taping to npt, comp housing needs drilling and taping to 1/8 npt. what is it going to be fitted to ? on a cossie needs a 20 mm spacer to clear the head and an rs500 wastegate housing, rst needs 5mm spacer to clear the manifold but wastegate housing is a direct fit its standard 5 bolt configuration.

Christian and Beccy

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Pikey shit. £169 for a turbo is a joke.

Buy your turbo according to how you value your engine, because when it shits itself, and it WILL shit itself, it'll most probably take your engine with it.

rich123

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change of plan now im running twin turbo 2.9 at the mo but i think the next move forward is a single gt40 setup

scoooby slayer

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do you have any experience with them to back up those claims. ive run one myself at 22 psi for a least 5k miles and hard miles no problems whatsoever. on a big budget build i wouldnt run one either but they are not just PIKEY SHIT because there £169, far from it. there comparable to a garrett t34 . 63 but cant run above 1.5 bar boost.

Christian and Beccy

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Not run one first hand, but there are PLENTY of stories on the Interweb of people that have.

MarK4

wouldn't bother know of a couple that went after a couple of hundred and also one that was fooked on arrival. you can get lucky with a good one but i'd follow C&B's advice steer clear.

scoooby slayer

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the early ones were utter shit but they have cleaned there act up now. out of about 10 early ones 2 failed, but have passed on around 70 of the newer type like shown in the listing and i havnt had 1 reported failure.

im not saying there anywhere near the league of garrett, just a cheap turbo to run on a cheap build at low boost. 1 was run at 30 psi for 4k miles and was getting well worn in the bearings with alot of endfloat so 2 bar is a no no for them.

i do agree though christian in that in a proper built and specced engine they arent worth the risk.

Fudgey

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ive got an xs power to4e

but at £169, its almost a consumable item!

ie if they last say 5k miles at £170 a pop, for the price of a genuine t4 ie 1k, you can have 25k of hard miles lol

Fudgey

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there is an xs power rx7 drag car that runs of course all xs stuff, and that sets some very good times.

stavros had all the lowdon on it, but hes not around on here any more

Rab

Problem with these chinese mass made things is the quality control. 70% of them will be ok, the other 30% will shit itself and take your engine with it. And becuase you bought it from xs power you'll never get any money back.

You're better off spending your money on a rebuilt T34 tbh. Better quality.

It's like buying Pounstretcher condoms. Yes, they fit over your cock. But would you trust them not to get your 2am princess preggers?

Fudgey

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if a turbo does shit itself tho, have you every known of anyone whose engine has gone with it?

as the compressor blades will need to make it all the way through the intercooler, which doesnt have a very large bore, and the exhaust wheel will fall out the err, exhaust..

Rab

Fudge, I've seen a ship engine go with the turbo...... Was expensive.

Christian and Beccy

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Thats not entirely true.

I've seen a turbine wheel (or parts of) get sucked into the engine.

Fudgey

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what intercooler was it using?

christian, i do expect that it is clearly possible for the compressor blades to break up small enough to enter the enigne.

but on the majority of turbo failures, you would have to be pretty unlucky for it to take the enigne with it no?

can i ask what damage it done to the actual engine? valves?

Christian and Beccy

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I said TURBINE wheel!!

Personally, I'd rate the chances of engine damage from a catastrophic turbo failure at greater than 50/50.

Doesn't take much metal to score the bores.

jaiscossie

I cant believe they can actually even make them for that.

Rab

A fucking huge charge cooler The blades went right through, which obviously ruptured the cooler tubes. The blades then got sucked into the engine with a large quantity of cooling water. The result was messy. And alot of work to put right.

If you have an engine thats easily replaced for not alot of cash, then fair enough. But no way I'd risk an 8k engine build for a few hundred quid on the turbo.....

markk

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as opposed to the non pikey shit you have posted thats shit itself on your engines over the last few years iirc.

scoooby slayer

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you got it in one mate a budget turbo for a budget build. i wouldnt put them on my fookin expensive rb engine but in an old yb that was 2k for the whole car i did it with no issues. for the record it behaved pretty much identical to another saph i ran with a garrett t35 .63 on it.

Rab

You got a sapph for 2k? Lucky bastard!

scoooby slayer

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i ran it for 2 years aswell constantly raping it, new headgasket and gearbox fix when i got it and that was it. she was tired but she just wouldnt die no matter how hard i tried lol

Rab

Fair one. I'd run a mile if I saw a 2k Saph!

I'd have your Liner though.

scoooby slayer

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i do love the liner but its over 5 times the budget of the shonky old taxi those are real tears lol

Chip

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I personally wouldnt risk it but I cant help but feel christian is over estimating the risk, Ive seen a fair few turbos shit themselves and never seen one take an engine with it, its certainly possible, but I dont beleive its anything like 50/50

scoooby slayer

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if i may elaborate on this abit chip i have a caterpillar d6r lgp that failed, lost power loads of black smoke. they are turbo with no intercooler turbo just runs directly into the inlet. when the turbo was removed the nut was gone from the compressor wheel shaft, looked in the inlet and it was just laying in there ! it was run for about an hour as would still push just down on power and they run about 14 psi of boost. tbh i couldnt understand how it didnt make its way into the engine but it didnt.

Chip

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On a car the intercooler works extremely well to catch the nut, and bits of blade dont really matter much as they are so soft anyway.

Its possible for the turbine wheel to get back into the engine of course like christian mentions, but its not very common IME

MarK4

maybe i just had experiance of the earlier ones, makes me wonder how much of a improvement the new ones are...
the pics on the web of the one that was glued together and fell in half was a xs power copy so not to be confused.

chip - have you had any first hand experiance with these turbo's? And lol would you be interested in fitting my won kit to my impreza?

CRAIG HAYTER

+1 what he says bud you get what you pay for

dannyblackpool

Xs power have moved on leaps and bounds over past 5 years, Old style suffered with 2 piece castings breaking at seams,ill balanced componants aswell as not the best spec wise, castings were of poor quality meaning to weak theads on bolts holes etc. Recently there has been large investment in the company as a whole (takeover??) The qualilty now is MUCH better, 1 piece casting, hi quality casting/material and tolerances have been narrowed to a high standard.. Still not always ideal specs but not bad on most units. The need of 360 bearings still needs attending to as most units application exceeds the standard bearing limits.

I would happily run (and have seen run) on stage 3 cos maybe up to 400bhp without a care in the world.

Re go with a rebuild T34........ How do you know where the parts for it came from??

Christian and Beccy

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I've had ONE turbo failure in 10.5 years. That was a £1500 Ball-bearing turbo. There was nothing wrong with the turbo itself, I just think it was badly specced (and not by me). I had planned to remove it after that event.

So, no, you do not remember correctly.

markk

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yes but being parked off the road for 10 of those 10.5 years doesnt count, though i do remember you complaining about getting it replaced/rebuilt after it having done nothing, so, maybe i do remember correctly,

Fudgey

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chip will soon ahve experiance on an xs power turbo when he maps mine.

as long as you dont take the piss and run 5 bar through it, i think the worst that happens is bearing wear

we shall see eh boys