Zetec Turbo... How much boost? Please help

mondeo2000 · 13-03-2010, 06:25 PM

I have a Mk2 mondeo with a 2.0 zetec engine. It is currently getting a turbo conversion and want to know what the best amount of boost i should run (psi).

I will be running the mk1 Focus RS turbo, manifold ect, intercooler standalone mangement, loom, bigger injectors ect, however I am not lowering the compression yet as I was not going to run anymore than 10psi. I am still running the standard clutch and internals.

With this conversion what is the best PSI to run so that my clutch will not slip, i will still have traction and internal can cope.

Thanks guys

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rs-tuner · 13-03-2010, 06:26 PM

It may slip at that mate

mondeo2000 · 13-03-2010, 06:29 PM

Yeah thats what im worried about. The first thing I am doing is the clutch (but that will be when I have the money and will not be for a few months). Any recommendations on how much boost I should run to be safe?

focusrrx87 · 13-03-2010, 06:38 PM

6-8 psi over in the states u can buy turbo conversion kit's which includes turbo, manifold injectors intercooler ect al 2 be used on standard internals they all say 6-8psi boost. Also if u look at powerworks super charger kit for the zetec they run at 8psi on standard internals and u can get a bigger pulley and up the boost wen you've get forged internals. So 6-8 psi m8 play it safe.

Burnzybubbles · 13-03-2010, 06:40 PM

what sort of gains do you get with 6-8 psi will there be quite a noticeable increase in bhp?

and keeping all the internals and comp standard does that mean you'll have no lag?

edit: sorry to thread jack

rs-tuner · 13-03-2010, 06:42 PM

Roughly 200-220 bhp

rich123 · 13-03-2010, 06:45 PM

here u go chek that out

http://baileyperformance.co.uk/

focusrrx87 · 13-03-2010, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burnzybubbles

what sort of gains do you get with 6-8 psi will there be quite a noticeable increase in bhp?

and keeping all the internals and comp standard does that mean you'll have no lag?

edit: sorry to thread jack

depends on the spec of the engine really and the mapping. But roughly 200-240bhp the later bein much better speced eg front mount cooler cams bigger tb custom plenum ect. But if Ur not paying out 4 forged pistons and rods i dare say it's a pretty basic spec?? So id say low 200's at 8psi

mondeo2000 · 13-03-2010, 06:56 PM

Thanks guys, I have been told that I will running about 200-210bhp on standard internals, intercooler and standlone mangement, stage1 cams and bigger injectors with about 8psi boost. Im a little worried if the clutch will cope but i will find out in a weeks time

(its going on rolling road so will tell you the results)

My plans are to uprate clutch, lighten flywheel and better brakes, then I will move on to lower compression and run more boost, however then i will have to look at limited slip dif as my car will just spin as soon as turbo kicks in.

Thanks again for all your advice

Burnzybubbles · 13-03-2010, 06:57 PM

cheers for the info lads just wondered i always thought there was no use in low psi conversions but looks like quite a big bang for buck, personally i dont no if i'd risk using standard internals, but guess it all comes down to price.

focusrrx87 · 13-03-2010, 07:12 PM

mine is bein built now spent about 4.5k hoping for 300bhp at 1bar 350 at in the 20's psi. Although I'll only do that on the rollers. Lol iv got a stage 4 6 paddle clutch and ford racing lsd 2 help get the power down forged bottom end alc bearings it's 2.1 now also. Goin in on may the 1st

cnt wait

rich123 · 13-03-2010, 07:18 PM

that lads made 328bhp the only things he did is forged pistons,bigger injectots,m/s ecu with cosworth t38 turbo cheap as chips

focusrrx87 · 13-03-2010, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rich123

that lads made 328bhp the only things he did is forged pistons,bigger injectots,m/s ecu with cosworth t38 turbo cheap as chips

at what boost??

rich123 · 13-03-2010, 07:34 PM

22psi

rich123 · 13-03-2010, 07:35 PM

its on the link i put on here

focusrrx87 · 13-03-2010, 07:39 PM

gd power that. I saw the link but on passionford mobile so couldn't be bothered 2 read it. Lmao

rich123 · 13-03-2010, 07:42 PM

lol its the same chap who mapped mine did that escort got realy good results from that

mondeo2000 · 13-03-2010, 10:04 PM

Focusrrx87 I see that your in Kent, any good places that will help with my Mondeo when I get it back? Need a paddle clutch done soon, then will being lowering compression, LSD ect

crazycage · 13-03-2010, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rich123

that lads made 328bhp the only things he did is forged pistons,bigger injectots,m/s ecu with cosworth t38 turbo cheap as chips

on that turbo on 22psi thats shit.

clarke5700 · 13-03-2010, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazycage

on that turbo on 22psi thats shit.

realy

how comes? real question btw

focusrrx87 · 13-03-2010, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mondeo2000

Focusrrx87 I see that your in Kent, any good places that will help with my Mondeo when I get it back? Need a paddle clutch done soon, then will being lowering compression, LSD ect

conaught competition engines in sittingbourne they deal a lot wiv ford engines.

crazycage · 13-03-2010, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clarke5700

realy

how comes? real question btw

because thats a lot of boost and a big turbo ,i would want a lot more power than that

clarke5700 · 13-03-2010, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by crazycage

because thats a lot of boost and a big turbo ,i would want a lot more power than that

i thort a t38 was just a t34.63? a mate of mine made 397hp on a t34.63 @30psi so terned down to 22psi i would expect 330ishhhh

crazycage · 13-03-2010, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clarke5700

i thort a t38 was just a t34.63? a mate of mine made 397hp on a t34.63 @30psi so terned down to 22psi i would expect 330ishhhh

no mate its not

mondeo2000 · 13-03-2010, 10:24 PM

Ok thank you, I am in Maidstone so Sittingbourne is not far from me at all. Thanks again mate

focusrrx87 · 13-03-2010, 10:26 PM

Im also in maidstone shepway.

focusrrx87 · 13-03-2010, 10:28 PM

crazycage wot did u make at 1bar?

clarke5700 · 13-03-2010, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazycage

no mate its not

okkk can you put me right then??

crazycage · 13-03-2010, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clarke5700

okkk can you put me right then??

bigger rear wheel.

crazycage · 13-03-2010, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by focusrrx87

crazycage wot did u make at 1bar?

over 300 but on a smaller turbo why ??

clarke5700 · 13-03-2010, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazycage

bigger rear wheel.

ahhhh right thanks

sorry if ive upset ya

crazycage · 13-03-2010, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clarke5700

ahhhh right thanks

sorry if ive upset ya

what makes you think you have upset me ??im cool.

focusrrx87 · 13-03-2010, 10:35 PM

Just wondering thats all as i building mine. Jesus dude u need a chill pill. Lmao

clarke5700 · 13-03-2010, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazycage

what makes you think you have upset me ??im cool.

i donno ive never met you but you seem very blunt/pissed off in all your posts? or maby its just me lol

crazycage · 14-03-2010, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clarke5700

i donno ive never met you but you seem very blunt/pissed off in all your posts? or maby its just me lol

not pissed off mate, but i am blunt thats just how i am but it come across more so on the net .

Rs Cosworth 1 · 14-03-2010, 09:53 AM

Imo.

If your doing that do it right

Fully forged bottom.

It's the way i think about it,Yeah it'll be ok for a while but trust me the lust for boost will grab ya.So why not strip the engine and fully re-build forged

Do it right first time less expense

GUZZLER · 14-03-2010, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazycage

bigger rear wheel.

both the wheels are bigger, its named on the size of the front wheel, ie; a T3 & T34 normally use the same shaftwheel (shaft & rear wheel are one part for those who dont know) but the T34 has a bigger compressor wheel & housing. The T38 will differ dependent on who made it, some are bigger wheels in a T34 shell, the TT one uses its own compressor housing.

my silver escos pulled around 340bhp at 22psi, although it would hold the power for ages. 430-440bhp peaking 32psi

RickyLee53 · 14-03-2010, 10:25 AM

Psi doesn't mean anything. A big turbo on 4psi will outflow a small turbo on 14psi. So it depends on your turbo/spec and how its mapped.

SiZT · 14-03-2010, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RickyLee53

Psi doesn't mean anything. A big turbo on 4psi will outflow a small turbo on 14psi. So it depends on your turbo/spec and how its mapped.

I think it was more the fact that a T38 is a larger, more powerfull turbo than a GT28 and both would probably be using the same (standard bar springs) head

Oh and I'm sure someone has done over 400 on a standard bottom end

crazycage · 14-03-2010, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazycage

on that turbo on 22psi thats shit.

well was a bit hammerd last night lol, it's not shit 330hp is fast by all means but there are much smaller turbo's that would do that power at that boost and have a bigger power band (t34 or gt28) would be my choice buget depending.

my gt28 maxxed out my 480cc injectors last year around 350hp and that was on 20psi.

p-s i have just clicked the link its not a t38 it says a t34 but on a ported head!! my head was standard bar the springs so i would still think it should be doing more for the boost.

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rs-tuner Advanced PassionFord User Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Stoke-on-Trent Posts: 2,080 Rep Power: 9	It may slip at that mate

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mondeo2000 Virgin Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Kent/Northampton Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	Yeah thats what im worried about. The first thing I am doing is the clutch (but that will be when I have the money and will not be for a few months). Any recommendations on how much boost I should run to be safe?

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focusrrx87 I've found that life I needed.. It's HERE!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: kent Posts: 1,218 Rep Power: 4	6-8 psi over in the states u can buy turbo conversion kit's which includes turbo, manifold injectors intercooler ect al 2 be used on standard internals they all say 6-8psi boost. Also if u look at powerworks super charger kit for the zetec they run at 8psi on standard internals and u can get a bigger pulley and up the boost wen you've get forged internals. So 6-8 psi m8 play it safe.

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rs-tuner Advanced PassionFord User Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Stoke-on-Trent Posts: 2,080 Rep Power: 9	Roughly 200-220 bhp

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mondeo2000 Virgin Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Kent/Northampton Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	Thanks guys, I have been told that I will running about 200-210bhp on standard internals, intercooler and standlone mangement, stage1 cams and bigger injectors with about 8psi boost. Im a little worried if the clutch will cope but i will find out in a weeks time (its going on rolling road so will tell you the results) My plans are to uprate clutch, lighten flywheel and better brakes, then I will move on to lower compression and run more boost, however then i will have to look at limited slip dif as my car will just spin as soon as turbo kicks in. Thanks again for all your advice

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focusrrx87 I've found that life I needed.. It's HERE!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: kent Posts: 1,218 Rep Power: 4	mine is bein built now spent about 4.5k hoping for 300bhp at 1bar 350 at in the 20's psi. Although I'll only do that on the rollers. Lol iv got a stage 4 6 paddle clutch and ford racing lsd 2 help get the power down forged bottom end alc bearings it's 2.1 now also. Goin in on may the 1st cnt wait

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rich123 I've found that life I needed.. It's HERE!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (3) Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: north wales Posts: 1,192 Rep Power: 5	that lads made 328bhp the only things he did is forged pistons,bigger injectots,m/s ecu with cosworth t38 turbo cheap as chips

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rich123 I've found that life I needed.. It's HERE!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (3) Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: north wales Posts: 1,192 Rep Power: 5	lol its the same chap who mapped mine did that escort got realy good results from that

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mondeo2000 Virgin Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Kent/Northampton Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	Focusrrx87 I see that your in Kent, any good places that will help with my Mondeo when I get it back? Need a paddle clutch done soon, then will being lowering compression, LSD ect

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mondeo2000 Virgin Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Kent/Northampton Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	Ok thank you, I am in Maidstone so Sittingbourne is not far from me at all. Thanks again mate

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focusrrx87 I've found that life I needed.. It's HERE!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: kent Posts: 1,218 Rep Power: 4	Just wondering thats all as i building mine. Jesus dude u need a chill pill. Lmao

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Rs Cosworth 1 RS for life Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Hampshire Posts: 710 Rep Power: 4	Imo. If your doing that do it right Fully forged bottom. It's the way i think about it,Yeah it'll be ok for a while but trust me the lust for boost will grab ya.So why not strip the engine and fully re-build forged Do it right first time less expense

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