James Bulger murderer back inside

[Roosie]

Keep him there this time I think the james bulger case goes down to me as the worst thing to happen to a child along with Holly and Jessica http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...de/8546528.stm

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[TIFF]

String the cunt up.....

[carlo]

Evil little cunts hope his new identity is revealed & his life gets made a missery

[Chip]

Am I the only one who actually felt sorry for the killers that at only the age of 10 or whatever it was they had been let down so badly by their families bringing them up that they couldnt distinguish right from wrong?

Yes they are nasty little pieces of work, but why?

There but for the grace of chance go us all, it makes me feel very lucky that I had such a pleasant upbringing with decent parents who gave me the right morals, IMHO those boys stood no chance

[carlo]

I feel more sorry for the little lad that got lead away totally innocent little boy walking away hand in hand thinking he was going to play with them! i remebmer this when it happened

[rsmat]

Originally Posted by carlo

Evil little cunts hope his new identity is revealed & his life gets made a missery

one of the 2 did get revealed and they had to give him a sharpe exit out of rotherham.

[Mike C]

Originally Posted by Chip

Am I the only one who actually felt sorry for the killers that at only the age of 10 or whatever it was they had been let down so badly by their families bringing them up that they couldnt distinguish right from wrong?

Yes they are nasty little pieces of work, but why?

There but for the grace of chance go us all, it makes me feel very lucky that I had such a pleasant upbringing with decent parents who gave me the right morals, IMHO those boys stood no chance

Partly I guess.

The real villain of the piece is the victim's mother though.....

[TIFF]

Originally Posted by Mike C

The real villain of the piece is the victim's mother though.....

Eh!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dont understand that staement tbh............ Are you saying that Jamie Bulger's mother is the villian???

[rabmc]

Carlo see back in the day, were they not in kerlaw for a while the killers? sure they were.

What did he do to go back inside I wonder, hmmm do you thiink he has a partner? do they no??

Wonder where the other waster is!

[Chip]

Originally Posted by carlo

I feel more sorry for the little lad that got lead away totally innocent little boy walking away hand in hand thinking he was going to play with them! i remebmer this when it happened

I think everyone feels MORE sorry for the little lad who got lead away thinking he was going to play.
But I feel some pity for all 3 of these young boys who's lives have been totally ruined by the way they were brought up, which is totally beyond all of their control, so I very much see them all as victims to varying degrees.

[t4 and greys]

chip you couldnt be more wrong on this and as a local ,and someone who knows EXACTLY what happened that day i can tell you there is absolutely NO way they should ever be felt " sorry for "

what those two did was sadistically evil ,and even at such a young age they knew exactly what they were doing !!!!

if you or the public knew the full extent of poor little bulgers injurys you would honestly cry !!!

pure evil scum even at such a young age ... no excuses ,no failings and no-one else to blame ...

as you can tell i feel very strongly on this and beleive they should have been HANGED FOR WHAT THEY DID TO THAT CHILD AT THE TRAIN TRACKS HE WAS FOUND AT !!!!


oh and ftw both kids were already well known to the police prior !!!
and also do you think it was all about there bad upbringing that made the two 10 yr old poke the little boys eyes out with sticks and then pour paint in his eyes then chip!!!!

he was left for dead with lots of sticks in him and up him poor soul ...... and that was after they had mashed him with bricks !!!


makes my blood boil ffs!!!!
has nothing to do with there upbringing chip ..... they just a pair of bad eggs

hence such hatred on merseyside for the 2

i also heard there is a huge bounty on both there heads funded by local big heads in the underworld and has been from day 1

a lot was not published or broadcast but let me tell you what they did was not the work of 2 children ,more like 2 sadistic evil killers

then to insult the public by hiding them and giving them new identitys makes it ten times worse tbh !!

[TIFF]

Taken from another post about these monsters....interesting read..

Originally Posted by skeg

Even if these murderers were 10 years old I find it crazy that people like them can get released, get new ID's then have a relationship or live next door to people without them knowing what they do and who they are. People like that will always be a risk IMO.





Interesting because many people seem to believe Robert Thompson (the other one) was moved to Ireland under the name Sean Walsh and has recently gone back inside for 15 years for murdering his girlfriend and attempting to kill her child. They look the same even 16 years on, he's 26 from the UK and arrived there around 2001 but hardly concrete, however the two mug shots even being at different angles their ears are the most similar thing, one more straight and one sticking out. Apparently he's admitted it to prison officers and the like also. Ireland and Scotland would make sense to keep them apart and surely they couldn't ship people to other countries off the isles new identity of not, could they? Lieing to people is one thing but countries?

Obviously nothing is allowed to be printed over here.

Article below:

http://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/15...ler.1493266.jp

[Mike C]

Originally Posted by TIFF

Eh!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dont understand that staement tbh............ Are you saying that Jamie Bulger's mother is the villian???

Yes, what sort of mother leaves a 2 year old kid unguarded, especially in a place like that?!

[TIFF]

Originally Posted by Mike C

Yes, what sort of mother leaves a 2 year old kid unguarded, especially in a place like that?!

Do your research before piping up with such utter shite!!!!!!

[Mike C]

Originally Posted by TIFF

Do your research before piping up with such utter shite!!!!!!

Go on then, tell me what's wrong with the statement.....

[RANJ]

mike c , do u have kids ?

[Chip]

Originally Posted by t4 and greys

chip you couldnt be more wrong on this and as a local ,and someone who knows EXACTLY what happened that day i can tell you there is absolutely NO way they should ever be felt " sorry for "

what those two did was sadistically evil ,and even at such a young age they knew exactly what they were doing

You seem to have TOTALLY missed the point I was actually making about the psychology involved in creating young boys capable of such horrors.

Yes they knew what they were doing, but no they didnt understand why they shouldnt and THAT is why I feel they are victims they were never given a chance in life as they were never given the morals that the rest of us have.

if you or the public knew the full extent of poor little bulgers injurys you would honestly cry !!!

pure evil scum even at such a young age ... no excuses ,no failings and no-one else to blame ...

So why do you think they are evil scum, do you think they just popped out the womb and were evil? In which case surely its not their fault as how could they change that?
Or do you think they were brought up wrongly and turned evil, in which case how is that their fault either, they were ten fucking years old, they were still at a massively impressionable age and social services and their parents failed those young boys totally!
If you were born to their parents, you may well have ended up the same way!

as you can tell i feel very strongly

Yes you seem to be feeling a lot and thinking very little.

a lot was not published or broadcast but let me tell you what they did was not the work of 2 children ,more like 2 sadistic evil killers

Does anyone doubt that?
The question isnt if they were sadistic and evil, of course they were, the question is WHY were they?
Who is really to blame for how those lads turned out to be like that at such a young age?

There are a whole bunch of people who are ultimately responsible for failing in their roles in bringing those lads up and they have all got off totally while those 2 young boys have shouldered all the blame.

[TIFF]

Mike C

You are saying that the real Villian in this case is the mother.....

So your saying that the mother is WORSE than the 2 evil little fuckers that tortured a 2 year old child.... because she took her eye off her son for a few seconds.....

You either dont have kids OR you are trying to make out that kids should be watched 24 hours a day without EVER taking your eyes off them....WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!

[RANJ]

Originally Posted by Mike C

Go on then, tell me what's wrong with the statement.....

simple

im a parent, you cant keep eyes on kids 100% all the time, only takes a distraction, anyone that says they can is lieing

[RANJ]

Originally Posted by TIFF

Mike C

You are saying that the real Villian in this case is the mother.....

So your saying that the mother is WORSE than the 2 evil little fuckers that tortured a 2 year old child.... because she took her eye off her son for a few seconds.....

You either dont have kids OR you are trying to make out that kids should be watched 24 hours a day without EVER taking your eyes off them....WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!

100% agree

[TIFF]

Exactly Ranj..................

[rabmc]

Calm down lol

Thats freaky that picture, I didnt know this...

How much tax payers money goes into this kind of thig, identity change etc?

Did those two boys recently who tortured those boys, are they not getting the same treatment???

Whats the procedure in america for the same thing>?

Oh yes they are just evil, simple as that

[t4 and greys]

can i ask do you have kids mike ????

would make sence if you said no !!

its easy to point the finger after the event ,but i can say that on the day of the snatching
jamie was lured away from his mother as he was waiting for her in the shop doorway ...
yes she should have been more carefull etc etc ,but to blame her totally like you did if im honest is wrong !!
yes it was a huge mistake on her part ,but if you have kids then you can understand a little as he hated the shop[ and would always wait in the doorway for his mum to finish

[Chip]

Originally Posted by RANJ

simple

im a parent, you cant keep eyes on kids 100% all the time, only takes a distraction, anyone that says they can is lieing

Agreed, plus now we of course all have the benefit of knowing about cases like this, at that point in time no one realised the risks of something like this happening realistically, so people are more cautious these days than they ever were back then.

But if it wasnt a 2 year old it would have been an 8 year old or something else, the way those boys were wired it was inevitable they were going to do that to someone.
And im sure they had 8 year old friends or whatever that they used to be allowed to play with who they could have led down to the railway instead, I certainly did at that age, as a parent you cant possibly protect your children from everything, you just have to hope you are lucky enough not to live near people like that who your kids might end up mixing with.

[TIFF]

Chip

Im sure i read or saw in a documentry that they DID try and take another child either that day or the day before..........

[Mike C]

One distraction is one too many though!

No, nobody is going to keep their eyes on their kids 24/7, I totally accept and understand that. But a TWO year old kid in a busy shopping centre CAN'T be let of their guardian's sight.

And anyone who does is unfit to look after kids that age. If the kid was a bit older then ok. I mean it must have been pretty negligent, as a 2 year old isn't going to get that far that quickly in the blink of an eye. He ain't gonna move like Usain Bolt is he?

And you can go on about it never being proven etc, but nothing will change my opinion that she left him on his own while she was shoplifting...

[jonny s2]

i remember this,pure evil, they should not be allowed to change id

[TIFF]

Originally Posted by Mike C

One distraction is one too many though!

No, nobody is going to keep their eyes on their kids 24/7, I totally accept and understand that. But a TWO year old kid in a busy shopping centre CAN'T be let of their guardian's sight.

And anyone who does is unfit to look after kids that age. If the kid was a bit older then ok. I mean it must have been pretty negligent, as a 2 year old isn't going to get that far that quickly in the blink of an eye. He ain't gonna move like Usain Bolt is he?

And you can go on about it never being proven etc, but nothing will change my opinion that she left him on his own while she was shoplifting...

Do you have kids???

[Mike C]

Originally Posted by t4 and greys

can i ask do you have kids mike ????

would make sence if you said no !!

its easy to point the finger after the event ,but i can say that on the day of the snatching
jamie was lured away from his mother as he was waiting for her in the shop doorway ...
yes she should have been more carefull etc etc ,but to blame her totally like you did if im honest is wrong !!
yes it was a huge mistake on her part ,but if you have kids then you can understand a little as he hated the shop[ and would always wait in the doorway for his mum to finish

No, I don't.

But yes, I do understand how difficult it must be in many circumstances. But if you can't keep constant guard of a TWO year old whilst in a busy shopping centre, then something has to be amiss.

At home, in the garden etc, where accidents happen, fine, that's just human error and as I fully appreciate, kids can't be watched 24/7.

[RANJ]

im sure she knows, his mum has paid the ultimate price

[Chip]

Originally Posted by TIFF

Chip

Im sure i read or saw in a documentry that they DID try and take another child either that day or the day before..........

I doubt that surprised anyone, like I said, they were blantly just wrongly wired and it was always going to happen, and I very much doubt that its possible to EVER undo the harm that was done to them, so they will almost certainly always present a danger to society.

The real shame IMHO is that no one was held accountable for WHY they are like that, I certainly wouldnt have just randomly done that sort of thing at 10 years old as I was brought up correctly, I genuinely believe that with any young children who commit crimes the parents should be held at least partly accountable, although I have no idea how you would implement such a system.
The thing is though, very few people seem to want to learn anything from this case, look at the outbursts from the likes of "t4 and greys" in this thread as an example, if people have that over simplified attitude of just deciding the boys were evil and not giving a fuck about why, how do we prevent this sort of criminal failing in the upbringing of children from happening again?

[RANJ]

Originally Posted by Mike C

No, I don't.

But yes, I do understand how difficult it must be in many circumstances. But if you can't keep constant guard of a TWO year old whilst in a busy shopping centre, then something has to be amiss.

At home, in the garden etc, where accidents happen, fine, that's just human error and as I fully appreciate, kids can't be watched 24/7.

once your a parent, you will see not that easy

[Chip]

Originally Posted by Mike C

No, I don't.

But yes, I do understand how difficult it must be in many circumstances. But if you can't keep constant guard of a TWO year old whilst in a busy shopping centre, then something has to be amiss.

At home, in the garden etc, where accidents happen, fine, that's just human error and as I fully appreciate, kids can't be watched 24/7.

She was a little incompetant as a parent perhaps, but she certainly wasnt a 'villian' IMHO!
And I doubt she has had many nights sleep without thinking about that day even now!

[TIFF]

Originally Posted by Mike C

No, I don't.

Thanks....... explains alot

[cossiejsy]

They should throw the keys away this time

[Mike C]

Originally Posted by RANJ

once your a parent, you will see not that easy

Bollocks to ever being a parent, lol.....

But if I had a 2 year old child in a busy shopping centre (which would only be there if there were NO alternative arrangements that could be made), it'd be on reins.

But anyway, whilst I do see what Chip is saying, and feel a little sorry for the murderers, I also don't see what alternatives there are for them. They had a bad start in life, and because of what happened to them, it's now too late for them to be changed. So don't see and alternative to a life under lock and key 'cos they'll never been fit for society.

[t4 and greys]

Originally Posted by Chip

You seem to have TOTALLY missed the point I was actually making about the psychology involved in creating young boys capable of such horrors.

Yes they knew what they were doing, but no they didnt understand why they shouldnt and THAT is why I feel they are victims they were never given a chance in life as they were never given the morals that the rest of us have.

yes the system failed them but at such a young age i dont think there are many services or placements for 10yr old killers ... lol


So why do you think they are evil scum, do you think they just popped out the womb and were evil? In which case surely its not their fault as how could they change that?
Or do you think they were brought up wrongly and turned evil, in which case how is that their fault either, they were ten fucking years old, they were still at a massively impressionable age and social services and their parents failed those young boys totally!
If you were born to their parents, you may well have ended up the same way!


parents were just normal people ,suprisingly not as you would think or expect them to be !!
they cam from a loved and normal-ish family background ... have also been told that had it have been popular back then that both would have been diagnosed with adhd and given ritalin !!

AND FOR THE RECORD CHIP YOU DO REALIZE THIS WAS THE 3RD ATTEMPT BY THE BOYS TO STEAL A CHILD AND HURT HIM !!..
as they thought it would be fun ...nothing more nothing less !!

i have 4 kids myself inc 2 around the age of 10 and must say ,i think they can tell you that taking a child then abusing him and beating him is wrong both morally and socially !! and is not normal !!!

all this bollocks about them being failed etc etc is just a smokescreen for the fact they WERE both evil but nothing could be done as they were both underage !!!





Yes you seem to be feeling a lot and thinking very little.

nope im thinking quite clearly and presenting my opinion ,just the same as you do !!!!
is it the fact you dont agree with me that makes you feel ther need to insult me !!!
can tell your a journalist chip !! .....

maybe you should have dealt with the case or been the judge and jury that day then and all will have been fine lol!!

Does anyone doubt that?
The question isnt if they were sadistic and evil, of course they were, the question is WHY were they?
Who is really to blame for how those lads turned out to be like that at such a young age?

There are a whole bunch of people who are ultimately responsible for failing in their roles in bringing those lads up and they have all got off totally while those 2 young boys have shouldered all the blame.

QUITE RIGHTLY SO CHIP ,IF IT WAS ONE OF YOUR KIDS THAT IT HAPPENED TO
would you like to see them punished or walk away to do it again then ???


find your statements to be silly if im honest

as a journalist you need to stop sitting on the fence or looking to deep for the answers and explanations !!
simple fact is that those boys knew they were going to kill bulger
no ifs and no buts at all chip

and you cant blame the parents for gouging the boys eyes out and sticking sticks up him and inside him ffs
or smashing his poor skull in with bricks can you now !!!!
ffs

do you also think if they were failed by the system that they would have been given new identitys ????
NO
IN A WORD

they were already well known to police as said earlier ... as i would understand your point if they were not already offenders .....

[TIFF]

Originally Posted by Mike C

So don't see and alternative to a life under lock and key 'cos they'll never been fit for society.

Agree 100%........... They are proven evil.......

This is a prime case to bring back the death Penalty imho

[GUZZLER]

Originally Posted by Mike C

Yes, what sort of mother leaves a 2 year old kid unguarded, especially in a place like that?!

what a grade A cock making a statement like that

i can only take it that you don't have kids........

as Ranj said you can't have your eyes on them 100% of the time.
the mother was in a shop, looked down for her son who was there seconds earlier & he was gone

i suppose if someone get burgled & held at knife point for their car keys then its their own fault for having a nice car

[Chip]

t4 and greys, and you STILL havent answered my question WHY were those 2 boys wired they way they were, who is to blame for how they turned out, because at 10 years old, its not just down to them that is for sure.

You are just stating the obvious repeatedly, as Ive already said in this thread those boys had turned out in a way that made this inevitable, no one doubts what they did was wrong, no one doubts they should be punished, no one disagrees with you that what they did was fucking horrific, all of that is obvious to any decent person, no one is arguing about that.
Those boys are wrong, plain and simple, and they shouldnt ever be allowed back into society IMHO as I really dont believe they can ever be "fixed" from that, their lives effectively were declared over on that hateful day, and the question I want to know the answer to is WHY those 2 poor 10 year old boys had been allowed to wander so far off the moral tracks when they wandered onto those railway tracks that they never stood a chance at leading a normal life?

If you have kids you would like to protect, then dont you think we should be trying to prevent more kids turning out like Thompson and Venables in the first place, not just punishing them after the event, as a parent would you prefer the same to happen to your child and then his killers be punished or for him not to be hurt in the first place by society doing more to prevent such evil rearing its head in the first place?

We're never going to stop people hurting each other, sadly its actually a fundamental part of human nature, but there should be a LOT that we can learn from extreme cases like this!

It amazes me that anyone can be as stupid as you that you would read my comments in this thread and then say that I have said the boys should be let off, of course I fucking havent said that, what I had said is that they should be punished and so should the others responsible, there were more than 2 people guilty for what happened on that day and only 2 of them have been punished! There is little point in trying to have an inteligent conversation with someone like yourself who cant even read properly!