Mondeo TDCI Re-code

[mark_24v_wiring]

Hi all Can anyone reccommend a reasonable priced bit of kit to re-code the injectors? Failing that anyone in kent/essex got the right bit of kit to re-code the injectors without it costing me a small fortune? Thanks

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[TIFF]

Could do with someone in the midlands too as i will need one recoding soon once i have swapped it over

[RS500/364]

Wouldn't mind getting a recode Stu how much seems to be a small profit from this !

[dojj]

if it's the mk3, you may have to shell out a fortune

[mark_24v_wiring]

Yep it's an 53 plate

[RS500/364]

Originally Posted by dojj

if it's the mk3, you may have to shell out a fortune

And thats why i wouldnt mind getting the kit !

[mark_24v_wiring]

Same here if it's reasonable cost wise

[rsjonny]

remember when buying any coding kit that the protocol is different depending on what year it is! mine was a 03 plate and didnt work with most programming software. Also the injectors in the 03 model are bosch cant remember what the 04 ones are but i know they are different. I had the injector error message took it to my local garage and the car needed 9 ecu updates I did these and it fixed the problem. Dont be conned into buying injectors when there not needed.

[gtinutter]

SAME HERE M8 WE HAD A MONDEO TDCI IN WORK THE OTHERE WEEK MISFIRE THOUGHT IT WAS INJECTORS BUT ALL IT NEEDED WAS UPDATING 12 UPDATES LATER RAN LIKE NEW SO DNT GO AND BUY INJECTORS CAUSE THERE MAY JUST NEED RE CODING

[steanlol]

The 04 injectors are deiphi

[st3v3]

There's a couple of guys doing this on MEG (mondeo enthusiasts group) they have got all the kit,I'll try and find them later when I'm on my pc and not on my iphone.

[steanlol]

Just heard that to have a set of injectors fitted and coded is going to cost you about £160
So should be a lot cheaper to just have them coded .

[TIFF]

Originally Posted by st3v3

There's a couple of guys doing this on MEG (mondeo enthusiasts group) they have got all the kit,I'll try and find them later when I'm on my pc and not on my iphone.

Nice one Steve

[st3v3]

Tiff I've just found a fella that had his done at Carwoods in Coventry,not sure on the recode but he got his injectors for£120 + vat on exchange basis, might be Worth giving them a bell to see what a Recode costs

I'll still take a look later for the guys on MEG

[TIFF]

Cheers Steve............

[st3v3]

As i said on other thread, you need to make yourself a member of MEG and anyone else for that matter and read this it will save you money and the fella who does the reprograming on TDCI injectors i belive his name is Blizzard_UK


http://www.fordmondeo.org/forum/show...d/803949/tp/1/

[TIFF]

Just joined up Steve

[dojj]

there's a meg link in my sig

[MarkyMark]

i know of a few people in essex that do this, also there are two types of injectors on the mondeos, with two different types of 'tips' one big one small,

[mark_24v_wiring]

Any idea how much they charge and any numbers?

[mark_24v_wiring]

well just an update from me

Had my injectors recoded today and guess what it aint solved all my issues but it has cleared a lot up for me i have a defective injector will just need to do a leak test now to find out which one it is then replace it.

[TIFF]

nice one......what did that cost you?

[northernmonkey]

Originally Posted by mark_24v_wiring

well just an update from me

Had my injectors recoded today and guess what it aint solved all my issues but it has cleared a lot up for me i have a defective injector will just need to do a leak test now to find out which one it is then replace it.

And then shell out for another re-code!

[DanW@FastFord]

Recoding isn't the cure-all people think it is. It 'tricks' the ECU into thinking the injector is new, and doesn't take into account wear on the injector. It's a quick fix but it's seldom a proper solution.

I'm currently in the same situation and wasted 90quid on a recode before I spoke to a Delphi specialist who spoke a lot of sense.

Unfortunately a proper fix is never going to be cheap. I'm pissed as I bought the car because it had just had a new pump and injectors (with invoices for well over £1500!!!)

oh and Steanlol - you'll be lucky to get one fitted and coded for £160 let alone 4!!!

The commonrail set-up can be shockingly unreliable and there are countless faults that while simple cost a fortune to fix.

[mark_24v_wiring]

Recode cost was £55+vat but i now know i can do it with a snap on solus so next time it's gonna cost nothing lol.

Dan,

Your so very right but it was the quick fix i was after to pinpoint the problem.

So time to get a leak test kit and figure out which one........

[DanW@FastFord]

What are your cars symptoms?

[steanlol]

Originally Posted by DanW@FastFord

oh and Steanlol - you'll be lucky to get one fitted and coded for £160 let alone 4!!!

Why say that when i know thats the price , you maybe can't where you are but i can where i am .

"Injectors were bought from .................. he works for Swadlincote Diesel testing and refurbishing injectors, they were 360. Then I had them coded and fitted by Swadlingcote Diesel which cost 160. warranty wise its a twelve month/12000 mile warranty"

Also quote from mark-24v-wiring
Recode cost was £55+vat but i now know i can do it with a snap on solus so next time it's gonna cost nothing lol.

So that must be the price , maybe a little high looking at the price above , meaning its £105 to have the injectors fitted .

[DanW@FastFord]

Sorry, my mistake - I read it as four injectors plus fitting, plus coding. Your figure is therefore not wrong, just a little on the steep side.

[mark_24v_wiring]

Originally Posted by DanW@FastFord

What are your cars symptoms?

Drives totaly fine for how ever long it wants then glow plug light starts flashing all power lost turn off restart and off it goes again.

Throws up the fault code 0251.

More annoying than anything else did it to me 8 times in 30 miles the other day thats why i wanted the injectors coding it has done it again since so i know i really need to get new injectors for it.

[steanlol]

Well i've yet to have my diagnosis but after 150,000mls im sure mine must be close to needing new / reconditioned injectors as it too keep jumping into limp mode

BUT

My limp mode doesn't sound like other peoples limp mode off meg
Mine has been remapped and when it goes into limp mode it still has i'd say 130bhp but no torque

Also when in limp it sometimes just cuts out completely and needs restarting , and that can happen in the fast lane of the motorway or even on an overtake manouver * the sooner i get it fixed the better really , but once done i'll save up and chop it in and never touch another one for a few years .

[DanW@FastFord]

IMO neither of those are definitely injector issues.

There are a myriad of things that can cause the limp home mode, but the injectors generally (from what I've experienced, or read) show that they're failing by emitting cold smoke on startup, rough running, poor starting or a mixture of all three - I've got the first two, but no fault codes. They can do the cutting out, but that can also be caused by a fault in the inlet metering valve, a pump failure (VERY expensive) or a blocked fuel filter.

Does it only cut out when you're giving it some beans (or at least putting the engine under load) as that seems to be very common.

I've read that the random limp home mode thing has been cured by cam sensors (cheap and easy swaps), EGR (clean it out them blank it off) and the fuel pressure regulator (cheap and easy to swap). I'd be doing the simple things first before diving headlong into a potentially costly fixes, that may not work, especially as your faults don't (to me at least) definitively point to injector related problems. Many people take the glow plug flashing to mean duff injectors, but it's not always the case.

Also the more I read, the more I think that fault codes are no where near as specific as you'd expect, and often one fault code can be triggered by a problem in one component, but the actual symptom (that the code reader reads) is flagged up somewhere else.

[mark_24v_wiring]

Right it cuts out more often when you re-apply the throttle after coasting for a bit (motorway driving) it's just that initial application of pedal it stutters then light flashes.

I have changed the following; Fuel filter (gen ford) cam sensor, cleaned out the egr only thing i not done is the fuel pressure reg but on the scanner the other night it looked like there was plenty of pressure.

I'm going to try a leak test next and see if i'm getting too much fuel return fom 1 of the injectors and i may just change the fuel pressure reg just to be sure.

Trust me ill try anything i can till i have to settle on injectors or pump lol

[northernmonkey]

throttle position sensor? Just wondering Mark as you say it does it when you re-apply throttle after coasting?

Just a thought.

[DanW@FastFord]

Don't blame you. Had a call from the place that did my recode as I emailled them and said it didn't work. He said because of what I'd already spent with him he'd charge me 30 quid to remove them and send them for testing, refit them and recode it. It's 20 quid per injector for to test them so fingers crossed it won't be too pricey!

Me thinks the offer of magazine coverage helped with the price a touch

[mark_24v_wiring]

Its a thought Neil, Dan thats just so unfair still testing will cost you a bomb lol.

I'm gonna sort the earth's out over the weekend just to see if its that as there is a bit or 2 about checking the injector earths and the symtoms discribed seam to match mine i may even run a temp earth wire to the injector loom from the battery if i can figue out which one it is time to find the wiring diagram for a 53 tdci anyone help???

[dojj]

Originally Posted by DanW@FastFord

IMO neither of those are definitely injector issues.

There are a myriad of things that can cause the limp home mode, but the injectors generally (from what I've experienced, or read) show that they're failing by emitting cold smoke on startup, rough running, poor starting or a mixture of all three - I've got the first two, but no fault codes. They can do the cutting out, but that can also be caused by a fault in the inlet metering valve, a pump failure (VERY expensive) or a blocked fuel filter.

Does it only cut out when you're giving it some beans (or at least putting the engine under load) as that seems to be very common.

I've read that the random limp home mode thing has been cured by cam sensors (cheap and easy swaps), EGR (clean it out them blank it off) and the fuel pressure regulator (cheap and easy to swap). I'd be doing the simple things first before diving headlong into a potentially costly fixes, that may not work, especially as your faults don't (to me at least) definitively point to injector related problems. Many people take the glow plug flashing to mean duff injectors, but it's not always the case.

Also the more I read, the more I think that fault codes are no where near as specific as you'd expect, and often one fault code can be triggered by a problem in one component, but the actual symptom (that the code reader reads) is flagged up somewhere else.

this brings on the engine manegement light though
the wires need something to sense upon start up for resistance etc, they tested this on the transit forums and it's a bit hit and miss if the light goes on/off but they simply removed the motor cogs in the valve

[DanW@FastFord]

It only kicks up lights on the later (Euro IV?) engines. The earlier ones with the EGR at the front left can be blanked off with no problems.

[rsjonny]

I thought mine was the EGR so I took it off and the inlet and cleaned them all out. was amazing how much shite was in there. refitted it all and didnt fix. But after the ecu update is was better than ever. This is not just a ford issue though ive been on the net and seen passats/toyotas and all sorts with these issues so your screwed either way. diesels are good while there running but cost a bomb when there not!!

[taz1787]

on the mk3 mondeos its only really the 130 bhp diesels that have major faults a mate of mine has had all the common faults go on him his injectors and recode cost him £1k but he did go to ford with it so all your prices are cheap compared to his also had the double flywheel fault taking out the starter which also cost him a small fortune too

[mark_24v_wiring]

Right follow up time,

Had the thing apart today fitted a EGR blank plate and cleaned up all the earths around the engine bay and thats done nothing to cure the initial problem BUT i have found that i have air getting into my fuel so im going to order a new filter and connections from ford in the morning and ill update again tomorrow evening after i have fitted it all and run it about for the day