'That' cambered Mk1 Golf/Rabbit...

[3i_gaz]

i dont get this whole performance fors vs performance vw's at the time when cossies were made how much new were they? what did volkswagen do similar performance car wise? nothing. so you cant compare properley quick fords with vee dub's there are plenty of 20VT mk1 and 2 golfs, VR6 turbo/charged, mental charged r32 etc about and i bet they have better reliability, less breakages, better build quality. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPBgizjbhD4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQOY8HMsREI&feature=fvw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_s-hO8zKn8&feature=fvw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKpBa...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PbTm...eature=related

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[Tank Mike]

Originally Posted by bbspolo

200-240bhp in a car that weighs the same as a ka isnt gonna be slow as shit is it???
All for 2.5k would buy u a nice one

Not quite on the same level as your nova but for the money nippy fun little cars
quite rare to (88 rhd ones the owners club knows about)

Thats hardly rapid is it

[FoleE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIdeyLRVTaU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjgax...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CV30gYKTYU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcVH5Ir4G6c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVS3C...eature=related

[Chopshop85]

Lol this thread has got out of hand. Mind you I think with all the videos and pics of these awesome VW's I'm going to sell my escort and buy one straight away!

Well done to all those people from the polo website, you have converted me!

[MikeyMK]

Originally Posted by Chopshop85

Try and pick up a type 49 shell for under Ł7000 grand then tell us how precious your beetles are.
So the beetle has been around for yonks. Still the ford fiesta has out sold the beetle so what does that say?

What's a type 49,for those of us who aren't Ford geeks?

And ive already said ive had Fiestas myself. MK1s,MK2s and MK3s in fact. They were shit. That,as ive explained,is why i now drive a Polo - a car which was justifyably more expensive new so sold less.

[Chopshop85]

Originally Posted by MikeyMK

What's a type 49,for those of us who aren't Ford geeks?

And ive already said ive had Fiestas myself. MK1s,MK2s and MK3s in fact. They were shit. That,as ive explained,is why i now drive a Polo - a car which was justifyably more expensive new so sold less.

An AVO mk1 escort shell. Probably more sought after than a bettle as the are still used in many types of motorsport. Its what happens when a VW geek makes a comment about mk1 and mk2 escorts having to be fast to be anything special when you dont really know anything about them.

Also I didnt say fiesta's were good cars, i'm just saying they have outsold the beetle. Which also won Top Gears award for the crappeist car of all time.

[MikeyMK]

Originally Posted by Tank Mike

Thats hardly rapid is it

Depends on your perspective. The G40 was considered rapid enough when new. It was supercharged, and whilst nearly half a second slower to 60, it proved considerably more reliable than the Fiesta RS Turbo..

[MikeyMK]

Originally Posted by Chopshop85

An AVO mk1 escort shell. Probably more sought after than a bettle as the are still used in many types of motorsport. Its what happens when a VW geek makes a comment about mk1 and mk2 escorts having to be fast to be anything special when you dont really know anything about them.

Sought after for what purpose?

[FoleE]

Originally Posted by Chopshop85

Which also won Top Gears award for the crappeist car of all time.

The benchmark of all quality automotive journalism naturally.

[Chopshop85]

Originally Posted by MikeyMK

Sought after for what purpose?

As I said in the previous comment. Many types of motorsport. Also they are very popular with ford collectors and enthusiasts has they were a popular selling car in their time and have rich and succesful motorsport history, especially in rallying.

[Chopshop85]

Originally Posted by FoleE

The benchmark of all quality automotive journalism naturally.

Well im pretty sure those guys have driven more cars combined than anyone on any forum lol

[fiend]

More pictures of this Mk1 Golf!

[MikeyMK]

Originally Posted by Chopshop85

An AVO mk1 escort shell. Probably more sought after than a bettle as the are still used in many types of motorsport. Its what happens when a VW geek makes a comment about mk1 and mk2 escorts having to be fast to be anything special when you dont really know anything about them.

Originally Posted by Chopshop85

As I said in the previous comment. Many types of motorsport. Also they are very popular with ford collectors and enthusiasts has they were a popular selling car in their time and have rich and succesful motorsport history, especially in rallying.

Right. So it is for performance then. You fail.

You also fail at calling me a VW geek when ive owned more Fords than VWs and more Fiestas than Polos. And stated why i bought the Polo - which replaced a Fiesta.

I dont even think you're ignorant,just manipulating what points you wanna use and omit. You're not constructive,im not interested.

[dojj]

Originally Posted by MikeyMK

That fails on many levels,tbh.

You say fast MK1 Escorts,then say fast MK2 Escorts. Yep,because they had to be fast to be anything special,which is reflected in the rest of your Ford list. Slow Fords just have nothing going for them. A neighbour has a 53 plate mexican air cooled Beetle because there's still a market for them despite the refusal of the european authorities to allow it.
But you only mention the Beetle once. It was sold for over 50 years! And it didnt have to be fast to be loved by its literally millions of buyers. Put a brand new Sierra 1.6 up today and see the thousands queing to run it standard..

Same with the camper,which was doing well long before the Ford Popular/Prefect put the Escort conception in Fords nutsack,and still made in bay window form this millenium (not officially sold in the UK since the '80s).

But you stretch it out further. You can write every different type of Sierra Cosworth you can think of,and only one Golf GTi. But that doesn't shift the fact that the Golf GTi came out before any Sierra and is still on sale long after Generations of dull Mondeos failed to be anything more important than taxis. There's probably a V6 in there nobody knows about.

We dont have to change the scene for us,or wouldn't have to but for labelling by some narrow minded people who wanna label me because i drive a car with a VW badge. We're not the scene. Im not in the Nokia scene just because i have an N86 but it seems categorisation is everything these days.

Speed,it seems,certainly is. If i didn't know better,id still be of the view that Ford enthusiasts are just yobs.

it's early so i'll just say this

the beetle is shit, which is why europeans don't buy them and poor south americans do

the camper van still comands money because there are too many deluded peole out there who think it's worth that sort of money when you can buy a transit, which will be newer, better spec'd safer, faster, more economical, bigger, etc for less money
you guys are still living in the hippy 60's

as for the gti, it's on it's 6th of 7th incarnation now, where as the sierra went through 3 changes in it's lifetime, mk1 with the square light to mk2 with it's round light to mk2 facelift with it's coloured rear lights to mk2 second facelift with it's swoopy dash, and not once did it double it's weight

[mozzy]

Originally Posted by bbspolo

Ever heard of a g40 num nuts???
Would suprise alot of cossy owners!


Seriously some people with there blinkers!!!

yes i have heard of them, i have been in one oir 2 and never found them that exciting 8.1 0-60 is really impressive, find me a cossie that has ever taken 8.1 to reach 60.

i always thought the g60 was a lovely car to, til i wiped the floor with one in my heavier st170.still like th3e corrardos though.
have also embarrased every vr6 that has tried his luck (4 or 5 iirc) they are not all thath impressive

whats more my nuts are quite numb thiws morning but thats down to me shagging the living day lights out of er indoors all night whilst you sat on here getting infuriated with what someone you have never met has written to just annoy dub owners rather than prove any points and it is working very very well .
xx

[WongRS]

Originally Posted by massivewangers

Bonk means something totally different where I'm from

ha, it means that here too, but its main meaning it shit nowadays!
That blue twin engine golf of dubsports, aint that thing quite slow?
Sure i've seen video's of it running a late 13 or something and thinking that was good? Nice bit of engineering, but twin engined cars hardly ever work properly.
EDIT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUpPL...eature=related

Sorry, its a 12.

[Oranoco]

Is this still going?

TBH I couldn't care less what the badge is on a car and won't label a whole marque based on a few owners. Generally I like modded VAG stuff (hence owning a modified A4 as a daily hack) but own a S2 Escort RS turbo for the fun stuff. It's the dodgy stretched tyres, stupid camber and "rat look" that just leaves me completely stumped.

Some of the cars posted I really like (and some I really don't ). Not sure who posted the blue Polo on bike carbs but I like it. Had good results from fitting bike carbs to a 2 litred XR2 so I bet it's fun.

[Chopshop85]

Originally Posted by MikeyMK

Right. So it is for performance then. You fail.

You also fail at calling me a VW geek when ive owned more Fords than VWs and more Fiestas than Polos. And stated why i bought the Polo - which replaced a Fiesta.

I dont even think you're ignorant,just manipulating what points you wanna use and omit. You're not constructive,im not interested.

Yes it is performance. They are also some of the best looking fords around. I was merely stating why they are sought after for the most part. There is plenty floating around in restored stock condition that turn plenty of heads at the shows.

Owning fords doesnt mean you know anything about their history though does it as you have clearly shown.

I'm not ignorant, because I know what im talking about. So you've got one thing correct.

As for constructive, Joining a Ford Forum to try and slate our cars and tell us what they are and are not. You consider that constructive?

[zetec-Sam]

Originally Posted by MikeyMK

dull Mondeos failed to be anything more important than taxis.

Are you a complete fucking idiot? Mondeos are one of the best selling cars ever, beaten by focus', which are, guess what, fords!
You go on about the golf GTi's, when the mk3 is possibly the dullest car I've ever been in, and the mk4 is an overweight boat thats not much better...
Oh, and can you stop clogging up this thread with the same boring pictures aswell, you sad, sad people.

[Ed_van_Dijk]

Some people need to chill the fuck out!

Who gives a fuck!

I own a peugeot, rape me

[Horney]

I give you "The Reeves MKI".

http://wolfsburgrs.blogspot.com/2010...eeves-mk1.html

Please take 5 mins out to look at the vids and pictures. That is a well modified and performance VW that I think you Ford chaps will appreciate.

Nick

[MikeyMK]

Originally Posted by dojj

it's early so i'll just say this

the beetle is shit, which is why europeans don't buy them and poor south americans do

the camper van still comands money because there are too many deluded peole out there who think it's worth that sort of money when you can buy a transit, which will be newer, better spec'd safer, faster, more economical, bigger, etc for less money
you guys are still living in the hippy 60's

I also drive a 58 plate Mercedes Vito. Just because im informing you of something's success,doesn't mean i understand it myself. Or why i continue to be swept with the hippy brush..

as for the gti, it's on it's 6th of 7th incarnation now, where as the sierra went through 3 changes in it's lifetime, mk1 with the square light to mk2 with it's round light to mk2 facelift with it's coloured rear lights to mk2 second facelift with it's swoopy dash, and not once did it double it's weight

The Golf went from the '70s to current time. If you look at the difference between the coke bottle Cortina MK3 which was on sale in the UK at the same time as the Golf,to the Current Mondeo which is sold along side the current Golf,you'll realise your point is ridiculous.

Im not a VW nut. I dont like Golfs newer than 1992. The Passat's never been pretty and there's no excuse for a N/A 1.6 Lupo GTi to be heavier than a Fiesta RS 1.6 turbo but it is (its also faster to 60 than the fragile Fiesta). Apart from safety legislation. Odd then,that the Fiesta is heavier than a MK2 Golf GTi 16v 5dr. Sold in the same year. Now who's lardy?

Im not seeing Ford enthusiasts in this forum. The main of the Ford fraternity are getting a bad name from a small selection in here,for sure.

[timrud]

I have a Mk5 Golf.

To be fair you cannot compete with 80's-mid 90's Fords. And infact the older stuff Fords are waaaayyyyy better IMO.

But modern cars VW's knock the spots off Fords.

[MikeyMK]

Originally Posted by WongRS

ha, it means that here too, but its main meaning it shit nowadays!
That blue twin engine golf of dubsports, aint that thing quite slow?
Sure i've seen video's of it running a late 13 or something and thinking that was good? Nice bit of engineering, but twin engined cars hardly ever work properly.

Cooper made a twin engine mini in the 60s and nearly died in it. His mate Ogle made a twin engined version of his mini based Ogle kit car in the 60s and he did die in it on his way to Silverstone to see John.

I like the concept of 4x4 but both axles must be in sync so they dont fight and tie the car in a knot. This cant be totally eradicated with two seperate drivetrains,even if both engines run off the same management.

But i dont see why they cant both be linked by driveshaft. If they were both connected to the same 4x4,so are held sync by a prop,that should work.

[Oranoco]

Originally Posted by MikeyMK

there's no excuse for a N/A 1.6 Lupo GTi to be heavier than a Fiesta RS 1.6 turbo but it is (its also faster to 60 than the fragile Fiesta).

You sure about that? Book for the Lupo I believe is 8.1 and the Fiesta is 7.9. Fiesta certainly isn't fragile either (well provided they're looked after). I ran one for five years alongside my Escort RS Turbo, Audi A4 and Golf GTi and despite getting far rougher treatment on and off track was actually more reliable in that time than the 2 German cars (Escort doesn't count as it spends 8 months a year locked up in a nice warm garage, not used enough to go wrong ). Saying that though it didn't stop me buying another A4 when the time came to replace it.

Swings and roundabouts fella

[MikeyMK]

Originally Posted by Chopshop85

As for constructive, Joining a Ford Forum to try and slate our cars and tell us what they are and are not. You consider that constructive?

Anyone else who bothered to read my first post knows that's not why i joined.

Can you actually write a post without failing?

[Horney]

Originally Posted by timrud

To be fair you cannot compete with 80's-mid 90's Fords. And infact the older stuff Fords are waaaayyyyy better IMO.

IMO that's not exactly right. The MKII Golf GTI was leagues ahead in terms of performance, spec and build quality over the XR3i. You can chuck in the RST Scrote as being better but being FI it's a bit unfair as the FI Golfs were not officially sold in this country so at the time were few and far between. The Golf Rallye was good but not brilliant, the 2WD G60 was probably the better car by being lighter. I will freely admit though that with the MKIII and MKIV Golf GTI VW well and truly lost their way and it wasn't until the arrival of the MKV GTI that it really deserved the GTI badge again.

When it comes to mid 90's Ford's how bad were the RS2000's, XR3i's and "GTI" Escorts? I'm good friends with a couple of Ford nuts and even they wouldn't wee on those if they were on fire. Like VW I think Ford lost the plot a bit in this era and it wasn't until the excellent handling focus arrived di the proposition of a fast ford hatch back really come back. I like the Foci, they're great to drive (although the TDI one I borrowed once had the worst turbo lag of any car i've driven). I really feel though that Ford missed a trick with new RS by sticking to FWD. They had so much success with the brilliant AWD Cosworths. I can't help feeling it was penny pinching that got in the way of taking the RS from a good car to being one of the greats.

Nick

[It's Czech Mate]

Originally Posted by MikeyMK

it proved considerably more reliable than the Fiesta RS Turbo..

Facts and figures not opinion or STFU

[MikeyMK]

Originally Posted by Oranoco

You sure about that? Book for the Lupo I believe is 8.1 and the Fiesta is 7.9. Fiesta certainly isn't fragile either (well provided they're looked after). I ran one for five years alongside my Escort RS Turbo, Audi A4 and Golf GTi and despite getting far rougher treatment on and off track was actually more reliable in that time than the 2 German cars (Escort doesn't count as it spends 8 months a year locked up in a nice warm garage, not used enough to go wrong ). Saying that though it didn't stop me buying another A4 when the time came to replace it.

Swings and roundabouts fella

Autocar doesn't agree,stating the Lupo at 7.7. With the same driver,the Lupo has been faster on more than one test. VW are known for conservative figures,it doesn't help they use 3/4 full tanks of fuel in their runs driven by a fat guy.

Ive never owned a Fiesta turbo,and i dont know where they went,but i did get hold of an XR2i efi,XR3i efi and a couple of 1.6 16v Si's long enough to break down regularly. I didn't learn fast,i was biased. Growing up in a Ford household,my first car being a Ford built by a Ford-nut family member im really not alien to the things. My cousins '77 RS1800 16v has a strengthened shell but quite how the rest in this topic are supposed to know what AVOtype45 is i dont know. Especially as Fords AVO dept are mainly for commercial vehicles.. Anyway,that wasn't you.

It was my experience as a trader that showed me i didn't need to continue driving thrashy tinny motors that gave me resident problems. Not that i wouldn't own another,but i cant think of a fwd one id have.

[MikeyMK]

Originally Posted by Ed_van_dijk

Some people need to chill the fuck out!

Who gives a fuck!

I own a peugeot, rape me

If it aint a 205 i aint interested!

Mind you,i liked my 309 more than my 306. That said, the 405 was better to drive than the 306.

My mrs drives a 207sw and that's crap to drive.

[Lambchop]

What a load of pish, and i can't help but try and keep up with the thread

[MikeyMK]

Originally Posted by Mondeo Man

Facts and figures not opinion or STFU

FACT - i havent seen one for ten years.

FIGURES - yeah,it does.

[B-shaw]

Pffft, the thread on CP just got locked so im going to post what i typed up in here. so it probably wont make sense to some of you lol.



TBF, chip is talking sense here (this is in relation to what he said on CP, not in here)

I've never been a fan of stretch as it doesn't allow you to drive the car how it should be driven.
I've decked mine quite a bit (as low as it will go without cutting things or buying coilovers) and its stupid tbh. Bloody awesome on a flat road but I've had several near misses on country lanes and whatnot due to bumpsteer and loss of traction/grip. Then theres the risk of twatting your sump or ragging your exhaust off on cambered roads.
It looks awesome however at the height its sat at at the moment. Still, thats not stopping me getting a H&R kit that isn't quite as low.

I guess its all down to what you want from the car. Looks or performance?
My aim is for both but sacrifices have to be made in both areas.

[Oranoco]

I've seen claims as low as 7.3 for a Fiesta Turbo although I am at the very politest shall we say scepitcal of that one. 7.9 is about fair from my experiences with the cars. Only 5000 Fiesta RS Turbo's were produced which makes them a rare car and from experience really genuinely good ones are even rarer.

Before the FRST I also had an 8v 1600 XR2i and that had been tuned to 130bhp and was thrashed very hard and the only issue I had with it was a filthy connection to the ECU and a headgasket that decided to throw the towel in after a long track day. I can't fault my experiences with the old Fords as they have been spot on for me.

Gues you can only go off experience and most peoples experiences differ.

Like I said I love virtually anything that has had proper time and attention to focus it and enhance its performance. I'm a function over form kind of guy.

[Oranoco]

Originally Posted by MikeyMK

My mrs drives a 207sw and that's crap to drive.

I feel your pain. We use Corsas and 206s. 207's at work, and they wonder why I take my own car for work miles

[It's Czech Mate]

Originally Posted by MikeyMK

FACT - i havent seen one for ten years.

FIGURES - yeah,it does.

Ah so because YOU haven't seen one it means thats a fact

I'll dispute that

I've never SEEN any cunts called MikeyMK who's cousin has a made up RS1800 Escort

But I KNOW they exist

[walshc]

I feel like were married now (club polo and passion ford) with all this arguing
I hope this reply doesnt get wiped like my last one when i hit the reply button
Theres alot of contradiction in this arguement, from both sides, but mainly from you PF lot, i cant be arsed to back track and quote the contradicting folks so dont ask me to, but i just want to say, if youre going to argue, then atleast think about what youve already said and cross reference it with whats in the post youre about to make, because its makes like youre talking with a mouthfull of what you ate last night as it comes out your arse otherwise, and i like to read/be part of a 'good quality' argument
Im more into VWs (i said VW, not euro, so dont think im a stretched tyre 45 degree angle wheel loving nazi, although 'euro' does happen to be my favourite modding style, but not half the shite that gets that label today, when i think of euro i see a pastel orange coloured mk1 golf, decked on 14x7 dished wheels, with some subtle smoothing) but i can love all brands, i especially like 80s boxy shaped cars, i own an early mk2 golf and an e30 bmw, and one of my dream cars happens to be an S1 RST i also prefer the nova saloon to the hatch (thats for whoever posted that they dont like the loon hehehe) and had one as my last daily (1.6 16v, baby XE powered) before i got the e30
Ive also got the 'gods' lmao, at top gears worst car of all time, a beetle, 76 german import ragtop to be precise. But id rather take advice on which hard cheese goes better on my pasta dish, than that of cars from them.

I will finish with this, and it goes to all parties, dont let anything said or done in all this triffle bury itself deep in your heart, its just the internet afterall, and we dont want to be like the whole ford vs holden thing do we? (holden being better obviously )
And give yourself a pat on the back if you read all of this, my first and only post on here, i got bored just writing it hahaha

[Grahamdub]

Originally Posted by Chip

Oh look, lots of people being different and individual by all lowering their cars too far and fitting tyres that are too small, how imaginative

Chip !! If you are the Chip who used to run miniclassic.co.uk ?!

You may remember me from this ...



Well now I have this .....



I do have a Ford as well though .....



and of the 3 makes, VW is my favourite

[Chopshop85]

Originally Posted by MikeyMK

Anyone else who bothered to read my first post knows that's not why i joined.

Can you actually write a post without failing?

I dont see how correcting someones blas'e comments on something they know nothing about is a fail. You made an accusation about something, I felt that you were incorrect, gave you some information on the subject, to prove that your guess work was incorrect only, to get the reply "can you actually write something without failing" which really hasn't proven me wrong about any of the statments I have provided.

Further more. Straying off of the subject and making presonal remarks means that you have fallen short of your target in this discussion. i.e "failed"

[t4 and greys]

Originally Posted by Grahamdub

nice skip