DIESEL FIESTA tdci WONT START- HELP!

[outlook31]

Wonder if anyone could help. Diesel fiesta wont start(1.4 TDCI 2004), i changed the injector seals and bled the system, ie bled pump, injector input pipes and injectors and the engine will not start. I got the dear wife to tow me round the block (before the snow fell) whilst i tried to get it to go in 2nd. There is no sign of a start when i turn the engine over, its like i need to turn an electrical circuit on or something? I am not normally a diesel man, any help on this would be great. Kind regards Wayne

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[Ebonycossie4x4]

Could the diesel not have got too cold?

Does it live outside?

bleed system and put fresh diesel in?

[outlook31]

Yeah she lives outside, i have used a little quick start to help her and she fires on that but then when its gone nothing, not even a burp. Do you think it may be the imobiliser or any thing electrical?

[Tank Mike]

THESE ARE A FUCKING NIGHTMARE!!!!!

Are you sure your have all the injector back from where they came from? i.e. No1 Back into No1 ect ect

Also the injector must sit perfectly in the whole, if they are rotated as much a 3degree off where there supost to be it will not start!

There is a line up tool for the injectors.

Also be very careful. it takes no time at all to total destroy the pump on these engines.

[focus4x4]

there is an electric lift pump in the tank can you here it ?

[outlook31]

Thanks, i just put the ejectors in the hole and pointed the top the way they should go! I dont understand why as its just putting diesel into the combustion chamber?
When the ignition is switched on i can hear a motor like sound.
Its as if the imobiliser is not allowing the car to start. The quick start which i sprayed into the air intake enabeled it to fire but no diesel (it would seem).
Frustrated to the max.

[Tank Mike]

Originally Posted by outlook31

Thanks, i just put the ejectors in the hole and pointed the top the way they should go! I dont understand why as its just putting diesel into the combustion chamber?
When the ignition is switched on i can hear a motor like sound.
Its as if the imobiliser is not allowing the car to start. The quick start which i sprayed into the air intake enabeled it to fire but no diesel (it would seem).
Frustrated to the max.

I feel your pain mate,

I refuse to do the fucking things now, I really don't undertstand the logic behind it either. Every fucking one i've done has resulted in hours of tossing about lining the injectors back up. and then they start fine lol.

Also just a though mate sure the injectors still ok, get a meter and cheak the pins on the injector as they're very very fragile

[AlexF]

Originally Posted by Tank Mike

Also be very careful. it takes no time at all to total destroy the pump on these engines.

As I said in your other thread....

I think you need ot get this checked!

[outlook31]

I was very careful with the injectors, handled them with extreme care. I replaced the plastic seals and washers so did not touch the delicate end, only to wipe them with a clean rag. i might as well face facts and try moving them about and i just know i will spend the rest of the day in the cold!
Thanks for all your help.
The injectors are working as i have fuel mist when i undo the njector retaining bolt slightly so the fuel is getting through etc. Its a pain getting to the injectors as its taking the rocker cover off!!
Thanks again.

[outlook31]

AlexF, Thanks for all your help. With all the snow on the ground i cannot get it to the garage, i just have time on my hands as i am snowed in so hopefully there may be someone out there who has the knowledge to help or may have had the same problem and knows the solution. Ford are well exspensive as 500 pounds is alot of money in any ones book. i do have the use of the wifes car when the roads clear though so you can see why i am looking for a solution other than the garage route. Thanks again for all your help in the past buddy.

[puddy]

Did the injectors go back in the same cyls as they are all coded ?

Is the engine management light staying on ?

puddy

[outlook31]

The injectors went back into the same holes they came out of. I was careful to ensure this happened. All lights work as they should on the dash and lights go out etc.... The engine does turn over but nothing, i do have 2 TDCi's so i will look at the angle of the injectors on the wifes car and try some way of copying them.
Thanks for your help so far everyone.

[mar_k]

i know you said you bleed the system but could there be air in there at all? maybe worth bleeding it again

[outlook31]

I think i will bleed the system again, please confirm i am doing this right, i unscrewed the output pipe from the pump-(cracked it so fuel could escape) and got the wife to turn the engine over and then niped the fuel pipe. Done the same to each injector fuel pipe. Then loosened each injector and tightened up after the mist part of the cycle. Prior to all this i took off the Filre and emptied it and poured diesel into it until full. Any thoughts on where else i need to bleed?
Kind regards.

[outlook31]

Just bled the system again and no luck.
Thanks all for the help, i am just going to sit this one out for the snow to clear unless any one has any ideas or experienced the same?

[brianbrew]

hi mate ive got the fiesta 1.6 tdci and am having the exact same problem as you and mine wont start either after changing the common injector seals ive bleeded the fuel system and theres no air locks and the diesel presure to the injector ipes is perfect and ive even put a voltage tester on the leads that plug into the top of each injector and the voltage is there it will only start if i spray a bit of easystart in the air intake and then it has clouds of white smoke filling the road then it cuts out its like theres no fuel getting into the injector chambers am thinking its got to be a faulty injector thats just gone down on its own stoping it from running as ive took it on a tow in 2nd gear it sometimes starts again with lots of white smoke did you manage to get your car going ? i know theres places that you can take the injectors to to have them all tested but make sure you mark them up

[steanlol]

These cars really need to go to a delphi agent if you want the in injectors sorting .

Even if you buy recon injectors then they need to go on a delphi machine to have new codes generated or they wont last long .

I've got a mondeo tdci 130 and thats got to go in and have the injectors looked at , it has done 148k tho

You got to be so careful with the fuel system on these cars .

Good luck

[brianbrew]

yes you can say that again i think its time to get rid of this ford once its done and ill be going for another vw which is a far better car still cheap tax etc all ihear people say is make sure the injectors are in the same way people say there coded some say there plug & play and the injectors ahve to all in a certian degree think the plug on top should all be facing 4 or 5 oclock otherwise the car wont start these are the worse cars to get started after changing the injector seals and the other worse car is the vauxhall corsa 1.3 cdti as when it gets around 90k stage the camshaft snapps and there £352+vat and it needs the followers and lifters etc a exspensive do nothings built to last now

[brianbrew]

hi mate ive got the fiesta 1.6 tdci and am having the exact same problem as you and mine wont start either after changing the common injector seals ive bleeded the fuel system and theres no air locks and the diesel presure to the injector ipes is perfect and ive even put a voltage tester on the leads that plug into the top of each injector and the voltage is there it will only start if i spray a bit of easystart in the air intake and then it has clouds of white smoke filling the road then it cuts out its like theres no fuel getting into the injector chambers am thinking its got to be a faulty injector thats just gone down on its own stoping it from running as ive took it on a tow in 2nd gear it sometimes starts again with lots of white smoke did you manage to get your car going ? i know theres places that you can take the injectors to to have them all tested but make sure you mark them up

[AlexF]

what are you doing colouring in words for?

[scott-cos]

hi i work for ford and have changed thes loads of times. did you change the spill pipes aswell as i have seen people damaging the seals on them and the diesel pours out from the injector.

[brianbrew]

theres always 1 perfectic twat

[brianbrew]

that was aimed at axel f perfectic man

[brianbrew]

hi ash when you say the spill pipes is that the metal pipes that goes to the injecters with nuts on them as ive changed these with brand new ones i thought there could be a hidden fuse somewhere its like theres no diesel going into the chamber as it runs on easy start then dies ive checked everything all wiring everything is spot on also i hear you have to put the injectors facing a certain way is this coreect as the plugs on the injecters are facing between 3-4 oclock

[AlexF]

LOL

No need for that now is there....

I asked why you coloured in the words - I cant understand what your post was about....

If I did I might be able to help, as an ex-ford R&D on diesel engines....

but hey you wanna come on here and with in 4 posts get abusive feel free!

[brianbrew]

sorry thought u was beng sarcastic as i didnt colour in any words

[AlexF]

Originally Posted by brianbrew

hi ash when you say the spill pipes is that the metal pipes that goes to the injecters with nuts on them as ive changed these with brand new ones i thought there could be a hidden fuse somewhere its like theres no diesel going into the chamber as it runs on easy start then dies ive checked everything all wiring everything is spot on also i hear you have to put the injectors facing a certain way is this coreect as the plugs on the injecters are facing between 3-4 oclock

No the metal lines are the high pressure lines...

sorry forgot I'm too pathetic to help

[AlexF]

Originally Posted by brianbrew

hi mate ive got the fiesta 1.6 tdci and am having the exact same problem as you and mine wont start either after changing the common injector seals ive bleeded the fuel system and theres no air locks and the diesel presure to the injector ipes is perfect and ive even put a voltage tester on the leads that plug into the top of each injector and the voltage is there it will only start if i spray a bit of easystart in the air intake and then it has clouds of white smoke filling the road then it cuts out its like theres no fuel getting into the injector chambers am thinking its got to be a faulty injector thats just gone down on its own stoping it from running as ive took it on a tow in 2nd gear it sometimes starts again with lots of white smoke did you manage to get your car going ? i know theres places that you can take the injectors to to have them all tested but make sure you mark them up

I see 4 words in red......

or is it my pc?

[brianbrew]

yes i see them in red but i didnt colour them in i just typed it all normally anyways no problem

[brianbrew]

Does any1 know where the diesel spill off rubber plug goes as this fell of when i took the plastic inlet manifold of to do the injector seals and without this spill of rubber plug will the car start ?

[scott-cos]

yes there is a metal connector near the hand primer just above the fuel pump. that is where it goes.


thanks scott

[brianbrew]

hi there is no hand primer on my model u must be getting confused with the 1.4 model

[pieterjan]

Did the car still runs before you've changed the injector seals? Or was the problem before you've changed them?

[brianbrew]

hi no the car ran perfect just had a bit of a leak round the last 2 injectors and smell of fuems etc

[TWoods]

I think the injectors are coded to the ecu its vital each injector goes back into original location failing that needs to go on wds to reset or recode them otherwise it will not start (part of anti-theft system)

[brianbrew]

hi mate yes i marked them all up and put them all in same location the engine just turns over but no sign of starting etc but if i spray a little easystart into the air system it starts but rattly and clouds of white smoke its liuke theres no diesel getting into the chambers etc

[TWoods]

it does sound like the pats anti theft is kicking in I had similar problem had no choice and called my leccy mate round who has all the leads he reset and recoded the injectors and it worked fine afterwards. I know not much help its not a physical problem its electrical unfortunately no way you can fix it without calling someone out.

[brianbrew]

thats bad no wonder i couldnt get the car started some people say there are coded and some say there not cant win ive got a booking for the car at the dealers on wednesday to have a diagnostics check would it show up i know they set a set rate of £100 to have the injectors reset reprogrammed

[mikerk]

hi the tdci can have bosch injectors or siemens injectors ,replaced seals on my 2005 car and wouldnt start tried everything to no avail eventually bought engine with conrod through side and swapped injectors and pipes etc and car started first time , apparently siemens injectors dont need coding so im told ((which mine has) when i took it to have them coded but bosch ones do ,car kept coming up with eac on dash and no revs over 3k swapped return pipes and sensor on pipes and it s none come on for 500 miles . only thing is it doesnt seem to have any power till the turbo cuts in at 2.5 k nany ideas?

[brianbrew]

hi mate this is what i mean some say there coded some say there not ive got a guy calling on thursday who said there coded and unless you dont get the new injectors coded up to the engine it can feel slugish and they wont last that long thsi could be your problem the injectors that you took out of the other engine may need coding to your current engine and they might not be firing correctly or the otherthing is check the pipe that goes to the turbo as they fray and get blocked