Duratec Tuning

[Graham88]

Anyone got any links to tuning or anything that might be of help to me? I've got a Fiesta ST150 engine I would ideally like to turbo with forged internals. But if I'm honest I'm a complete amateur when it comes to engines. Spoke to someone briefly who is good with Duratecs but very busy at the moment but got a link to pistons: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...K%3AMEWAX%3AIT But I have no idea what else I am looking at. I don't know what rods go with that, I have no idea about compression ratios, what I need etc. As far as I know I need a pistons & rods for a forged bottom end, crank will be amazingly expensive but have been told the standard item will be ok. Headwork I have no idea if the standard head would hold up ok or what bits within the head would need uprated. I need a manifold, turbo, management, custom exhaust, FMIC but don't know what else So yeah incase you hadn't gathered I'm very new to this and don't even know if what I want is really possible without spending mega money cause it's not a common conversion (most people go SC which I can see why but I want to be different plus I love turbo boost and noise etc). Need advice from somebody who knows what they're talking about, if it's possible, rough costs involved, hidden costs, etc etc Thanks

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[wirralphil]

Alan12112 has a Turbo Duratec engine in his Mk6, iirc from whats been said on here it was around 3k for the conversion.

Check his forsale thread on the car here...

http://passionford.com/forum/cars-fo...-ebay-now.html

Chip also had a thread on Duratec tuning well over 12months ago aswell, it was recentley bumped.

[scotty dog]

I dont think those will fit!
I know that your engine says its a duratec but it isnt, it is just a rebadged 2 litre zetec engine, and those pistons are off of a real duratec engine.
Have a look for some replacement pistons that are specifically for the Fezza ST!

[Ed_van_Dijk]

Is a focus Rs a duratec engine or a Zetec?

[scotty dog]

It's a zetec!
Although the St170, ST150 and Mk1 FRS all say Duratec they're actually all Zetec engines with Duratec slapped on em to make them look good, because all the other engines being used at the time in Ford cars were Duratecs, so Ford didnt want look as if they were going back in time by putting the older model engine in to the High Performance cars!

[It's Czech Mate]

Originally Posted by scotty dog

It's a zetec!
Although the St170, ST150 and Mk1 FRS all say Duratec they're actually all Zetec engines with Duratec slapped on em to make them look good, because all the other engines being used at the time in Ford cars were Duratecs, so Ford didnt want look as if they were going back in time by putting the older model engine in to the High Performance cars!

Er you couldnt be more wrong

The ST150 is a bona fide duratec, the Mk1 RS and ST170 are Zetec-E based

[It's Czech Mate]

Originally Posted by scotty dog

I dont think those will fit!
I know that your engine says its a duratec but it isnt, it is just a rebadged 2 litre zetec engine, and those pistons are off of a real duratec engine.
Have a look for some replacement pistons that are specifically for the Fezza ST!

Have a look under the bonnet of an actual ST150 before you give out duff advice

[scotty dog]

Oh well i stand corrected! It was just what I heard.

[It's Czech Mate]

T answer original poster...how much power are you wanting? If its a low boost conversion for about 250bhp then thats easy enough, if you want big power it will cost loads as virtually all of the internals will need replacing.

[alan12112]

Graham mate - the best guy to speak to is Ric Wood http://www.ricwood.com/

he is the man when it comes to Duratecs, builds race engines day in day out and had some very good ideas about mine and was keen to progress the project - just a lack of funds on my part stopped it

[OldDan]

Originally Posted by alan12112

Graham mate - the best guy to speak to is Ric Wood http://www.ricwood.com/

he is the man when it comes to Duratecs, builds race engines day in day out and had some very good ideas about mine and was keen to progress the project - just a lack of funds on my part stopped it

He fucked Scott McDonalds up easy enough!

[alan12112]

Oh and woosner do a proven set off pistons and rods for the duratec turbo which already have a better compression ratio

from 10.8:1 (std)
to 8.5:1

http://www.performanceenginecomponen....asp?id=250265

not sure if those are the right ones but just to give you an idea matey

Oh and you'll need a proper gearbox as well, not a chocolate ib5 - mtx-75 frs item all the way but as you know that has complications aswell - new mounts, bellhousings, driveshafts

HTH

[scotty dog]

I'm sure my advice from now on is probably gonna be no good
But i know that Shawspeed do some excellent work on zetec se engines and that they also do tune ups on Duratec's. Maybe some one has some experience with their Duratec tune ups to see if theire any good!

[alan12112]

What was wrong with Scott's Dan? I've never seen or heard a bad comment about Ric Wood mate

Scott's st was the 1st car over the 200bhp mark wasn't it?

[alan12112]

Originally Posted by scotty dog

I'm sure my advice from now on is probably gonna be no good
But i know that Shawspeed do some excellent work on zetec se engines and that they also do tune ups on Duratec's. Maybe some one has some experience with their Duratec tune ups to see if theire any good!

they've done a mate of mine's car - Bav

They fitted a throttle body setup to his, not sure if it's their work or not that has caused it but he's had a lot of problems

[It's Czech Mate]

Originally Posted by scotty dog

I'm sure my advice from now on is probably gonna be no good
But i know that Shawspeed do some excellent work on zetec se engines and that they also do tune ups on Duratec's. Maybe some one has some experience with their Duratec tune ups to see if theire any good!

You were right, no good.

Shawspeed dont do duratec turbo's

[scotty dog]

^Well they seem quite familiar with the engine, they'll possibly be able to find out whats best. Maybe they can machine some up?
Hell, I'm only offering advice, thats what this forum is about aint it.

[OldDan]

Originally Posted by alan12112

they've done a mate of mine's car - Bav

They fitted a throttle body setup to his, not sure if it's their work or not that has caused it but he's had a lot of problems

Most definately not due to their doing.

They simply fitted what was asked of them. An OMEX ECU, AIM MXL (i think) Dash, and throttle bodies.

All was working when it left and was told categorically that it needed to go for mapping.



Scotts was melted a piston. It was a standard engine bar cams and headwork! That was only one thing. It was for ever in and out of Ric Woods.

[dojj]

just find a 2.0 mondeo mk3, they all had the same engine as the fiesta

at least in petrol form anyhow

[alan12112]

I'm not sure what you are actually offering up is advice though Scotty Dog, it's more hearsay and prosumptions

[alan12112]

Originally Posted by dojj

just find a 2.0 mondeo mk3, they all had the same engine as the fiesta

at least in petrol form anyhow

did you read the question dojj?

[wirralphil]

Originally Posted by alan12112

did you read the question dojj?

he's dicklectic so probably not.

[dojj]

i read the question peps, but you were asking about duratec tuning and which engine it was in the st150 so as not to confuse people who tuned other stuff

so if you can find someone who tunes the mk3 mondeo 2.0 then the chances are that they'll do bits for the fiesta as well

hthcmu

[wirralphil]

Wasn't their a Fiesta Mk3 forsale on here with a 2.3 Duratec Turbo? Build thread was on FT.

[It's Czech Mate]

Originally Posted by scotty dog

^Well they seem quite familiar with the engine, they'll possibly be able to find out whats best. Maybe they can machine some up?
Hell, I'm only offering advice, thats what this forum is about aint it.

Its not advice tho is it unless you have either done it yourself or spoken to them about it. Its just guesswork from someone who clearly doesnt know anything about it

FFS two hours ago you didnt even know which engine he was talking about

The beauty of the forum is you can always find someone who has some 'real' experience of most situations, other users can learn from this, and most users can chip in on a thread where they can actually help once in a while.

If we all made random guesses and every thread it would very quickly be fuking shit

[alan12112]

Originally Posted by dojj

i read the question peps, but you were asking about duratec tuning and which engine it was in the st150 so as not to confuse people who tuned other stuff

so if you can find someone who tunes the mk3 mondeo 2.0 then the chances are that they'll do bits for the fiesta as well

hthcmu

hthcmu?

hope this helps can't mount unicycle?

[TWoods]

Those wiseco pistons look expensive when you add the import duty ontop.

[dojj]

hope that helps clear matters up

[alan12112]

I prefer mine Dojj

[dojj]

but it's a unicycle, where would you put the engine?

[Graham88]

Originally Posted by Mondeo Man

T answer original poster...how much power are you wanting? If its a low boost conversion for about 250bhp then thats easy enough, if you want big power it will cost loads as virtually all of the internals will need replacing.

See Alans runs 250bhp and he seems happy with that, just I imagined you'd be living on borrowed time with standard internals? I know thats why I was looking at Forged Internals but it all seems so expensive as it's a fairly 'new' engine. Suppose you pay for what you get.
What are the rough steps for a low boost conversion? This is why I need to speak to some kind of tuner who can throw some rough costs at me, that's the decider of it for me, I have money to put into an engine but there is a limit on what I want to spend as it's ultimately a Fiesta at the end of the day and I don't have the knowledge nor money for it to break everyday so need an ounce of reliability in it too.
250bhp in a light FWD Fiesta will still be a lively car and coming from 100bhp up to that would put a big smile on my face indeed.

Originally Posted by alan12112

Graham mate - the best guy to speak to is Ric Wood http://www.ricwood.com/

he is the man when it comes to Duratecs, builds race engines day in day out and had some very good ideas about mine and was keen to progress the project - just a lack of funds on my part stopped it

Nice one cheers, will find an email and send him a rough email of my ideas

I'm still thinking about my idea of buying yours and swapping the engines over, just such a long winded way of doing it as I'd have to sell your car after too!

Thanks for advice in here peeps. So just for my own sake is it a Duratec or a badged up Zetec?

[It's Czech Mate]

I'd go to Jamsport and have a look at their s/c or turbo kits.

If you want 250bhp thats awesomely useable on the road then go for the supercharger kit, awesome fun


It IS a Duratec in the ST150!

[creator]

ian howell

[zetaboostboy522bhp]

hi mate , right first of all the st 150 engine is a duratec engine as its chain driven and all zetecs are belt driven (including the st170 engine and the focus rs engine which are both badged as duratecs but are in fact zetecs)
theres a very well known tuner that goes by the name of ian howell who runs area six motorsport /fiesta frenzy and is easily the best zetec turbo tuner in the uk.
about 2 years ago he built a engine for a mk6 fiesta using the st150 duratec engine with forged rods , cp custom pistons , head work , custom manifold , gt28 turbo , pectel management etc etc.
i think if you took your car to him it would cost around £6500/£7000 for a drive in drive out conversion and this man really does know his shit.
we had a few head scratching moments with using a after market ecu and wiring harness as we wanted to keep the orginal dash etc but it looked shit hot when done.
i think the car still has to be mapped as hes had a kit put onit and had it resprayed etc but it will make a solid 350bhp . ian can supply pistons , rods ,headwork ,inlet , managements basically all the shit you need so have a look on his webpage www.area-six.co.uk
and there is a thread on here about the car and engine http://passionford.com/forum/restora...ec-2009-a.html

i think the only major headache was the fuel system as if i remember right the fuel pressure reg is built into the tank so he had to redesign that.

i would say use ian as he gets everything custom built and has done the conversion and is a very helpful bloke

hope this helps

cheers paul

[NEIL A]

Would it not work out cheaper to sell the st engine and fit a mk1 focus rs engine.

[creator]

Originally Posted by NEIL A

Would it not work out cheaper to sell the st engine and fit a mk1 focus rs engine.

possibly if you could find one for sale,duno how much they are second hand tho can imagine them been cheap

[Graham88]

I never see MK1 FRS engines come up plus the rough price for engine + fitting is about 5k all in and alot of work for 212bhp. Fair enough the potential is there but it's alot of money although I understand where you're coming from.

Thanks for the big post 'zetaboostboy522bhp' that's alot of money, alot more than I would ideally like to spend, it is a Fiesta after all....have heard nothing but praise about him having said that so suppose that speaks wonders. The website is a good read though I'm having a good read now

Mondeo man I agree for ease SC is the way forwards with so many kits available and tested by plenty of ST's but I like being different and turbo is the way forwards

all opinions and posts taken onboard, thanks peeps

[buzznwood]

You can get bolt on kits for the duratec on this side of the pond, naturally focus based as no st150 fiesta's over here but http://www.focussport.com/turbocharger.htm should give you an idea of what can be done leaving the internals standard.

[zetaboostboy522bhp]

Originally Posted by Graham88

I never see MK1 FRS engines come up plus the rough price for engine + fitting is about 5k all in and alot of work for 212bhp. Fair enough the potential is there but it's alot of money although I understand where you're coming from.

Thanks for the big post 'zetaboostboy522bhp' that's alot of money, alot more than I would ideally like to spend, it is a Fiesta after all....have heard nothing but praise about him having said that so suppose that speaks wonders. The website is a good read though I'm having a good read now

Mondeo man I agree for ease SC is the way forwards with so many kits available and tested by plenty of ST's but I like being different and turbo is the way forwards

all opinions and posts taken onboard, thanks peeps

lol your right mate it is alot of money but remember thats a drive in drive out conversion and alot of people forget about all the little parts that soon add up to a major part of the whole conversion.
heres a list of some of the little bits having done a similar conversion first time round

with engine block being built without manifolds.

inlet manifold (using st150 ) 3 n/a
durtatec cosworth throttle body £300
modiying st 150 exhaust manifold £100
injetors x4 £250
tps sensor £40
air temp sensor £18
turbo £850+
pectel t2 management £650
custom wiring harness £450
boost pipes £100
silicon pipes £150
pro alloy front mounted interooler £400
alloy radiator £350
aeromotive fuel pressure reg £140
uprated fuel pump £100

thats a total of £3898 and these are just rough prices

so £7000 aint looking to bad when your got the block build in that with rods and pistons , honing etc , plus the man hours it takes to do this conversion as i remember ian saying it was a bit of a bastard to fit in.

anyway good luck mate with what ever your doing and if you do use ian tell him paul from derby sent you and iam sure he will look after you

cheers paul

[SiZT]

As you say, it's a fiesta and you don't want to spend much on it, would it not be worth using the P3000 kit (like Alans got IIRC) and then getting somewhere else to fit and map it. Should be fine on stock for 6psi (I would imagine).