Duratec Tuning

[jammerrs]

i know you say your an amatur but maybe it could be a good build for you to do. if it was me id put in the st engine you have and look at turboing later on rather than doing it in one go. i know that way you go from 100 to 150 to 250ish bhp but you may find 150 enough, as its half as much power again. maybe you could get a ride in various powered and engine spec fiestas to help you decide, like a turbo one, supercharged and an n/a one and that would help you decide what kind of spec you want rather than throwing money into a turbo conversion to not like it later on. just my opinion though

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[Graham88]

Originally Posted by zetaboostboy522bhp

lol your right mate it is alot of money but remember thats a drive in drive out conversion and alot of people forget about all the little parts that soon add up to a major part of the whole conversion.
heres a list of some of the little bits having done a similar conversion first time round

with engine block being built without manifolds.

inlet manifold (using st150 ) 3 n/a
durtatec cosworth throttle body £300
modiying st 150 exhaust manifold £100
injetors x4 £250
tps sensor £40
air temp sensor £18
turbo £850+
pectel t2 management £650
custom wiring harness £450
boost pipes £100
silicon pipes £150
pro alloy front mounted interooler £400
alloy radiator £350
aeromotive fuel pressure reg £140
uprated fuel pump £100

thats a total of £3898 and these are just rough prices

so £7000 aint looking to bad when your got the block build in that with rods and pistons , honing etc , plus the man hours it takes to do this conversion as i remember ian saying it was a bit of a bastard to fit in.

anyway good luck mate with what ever your doing and if you do use ian tell him paul from derby sent you and iam sure he will look after you

cheers paul

Yeah I understand it takes alot of work and I appreciate you putting all those prices up but it's something I'd have to think very hard about as 7k on a Fiesta engine is alot when it's something that could possibly go bang at any point. 7k + selling my Fiesta = 13k which would buy a nice car that would be on par in terms of pace with the Fiesta once it's done. But that's not what I want to do as there is no car on the market I really like, I like my Fiesta too much, strange as that may sound.

When you put it like that it's actually quite a good price!

Originally Posted by SiZT

As you say, it's a fiesta and you don't want to spend much on it, would it not be worth using the P3000 kit (like Alans got IIRC) and then getting somewhere else to fit and map it. Should be fine on stock for 6psi (I would imagine).

Originally Posted by buzznwood

You can get bolt on kits for the duratec on this side of the pond, naturally focus based as no st150 fiesta's over here but http://www.focussport.com/turbocharger.htm should give you an idea of what can be done leaving the internals standard.

As far as I have been told the P3000 kits are no longer available or that is something I would just look into. The prices on that focussport website are prices I'd pay straight away but there seems to be nothing like that for the ST150

Originally Posted by jammerrs

i know you say your an amatur but maybe it could be a good build for you to do.

if it was me id put in the st engine you have and look at turboing later on rather than doing it in one go. i know that way you go from 100 to 150 to 250ish bhp but you may find 150 enough, as its half as much power again.

maybe you could get a ride in various powered and engine spec fiestas to help you decide, like a turbo one, supercharged and an n/a one and that would help you decide what kind of spec you want rather than throwing money into a turbo conversion to not like it later on.

just my opinion though

Yeah I would like that but I only know one person with a Turbo ST150 and that's Alan and he's miles away. I agree with what you are saying though!

I have also had the thought about getting the ST engine in first for the exact reason you stated, build myself up to getting used to having some power!

[Benni]

Originally Posted by alan12112

Graham mate - the best guy to speak to is Ric Wood http://www.ricwood.com/

he is the man when it comes to Duratecs, builds race engines day in day out and had some very good ideas about mine and was keen to progress the project - just a lack of funds on my part stopped it

I wouldn't let that clown tune a musical instrument! Honestly, everyone I can think of who has dealt with him has had a bad experience. Some extremely bad! Thank your lucky stars you had no money.

Benni.

[It's Czech Mate]

Originally Posted by Benni

I wouldn't let that clown tune a musical instrument! Honestly, everyone I can think of who has dealt with him has had a bad experience. Some extremely bad! Thank your lucky stars you had no money.

Benni.

I know somebody with a very special car with a very special engine all coordinated by Ric Woods and its a fucking beast.

[Graham88]

Typical case of good and bad stories about tuners I suppose!

[alan12112]

Graham the kit in the states is the same one on my car just I use a td04 turbo not the gt28rs alot of those guys use

and obviously I have the 10psi version

You will need it to be mapped though as IIRC the fuel in america is only something like 91ron so the tunes that come with the kit will need a re-adjust

And if you want to come out in mine i'd be more than happy to take you for a spin m8 but I don't know where you live?


Oh and mine has been running like this for other a year and a 1/4 now so I think it's fairly ok to prosume 10psi is ok on std internals (thats what most the boys in the states do)

[jammerrs]

alan12112 has yours got a compression plate of some sort then?

[alan12112]

I'm more of a cheque book mechanic m8 tbh but i'm 99% sure it's got a de-comp plate - is that right?

My understanding is it creates slightly more room in your engine to change the compression ratio!

Apologies if this is wrong as I said i'm a cheque book mechanic

[Graham88]

Originally Posted by alan12112

Graham the kit in the states is the same one on my car just I use a td04 turbo not the gt28rs alot of those guys use

and obviously I have the 10psi version

You will need it to be mapped though as IIRC the fuel in america is only something like 91ron so the tunes that come with the kit will need a re-adjust

And if you want to come out in mine i'd be more than happy to take you for a spin m8 but I don't know where you live?


Oh and mine has been running like this for other a year and a 1/4 now so I think it's fairly ok to prosume 10psi is ok on std internals (thats what most the boys in the states do)

Cheers Alan, something to bare in mind

Yeah I live in Kent so a bit far But cheers for the offer anyway!

[chameleon]

Originally Posted by Benni

I wouldn't let that clown tune a musical instrument! Honestly, everyone I can think of who has dealt with him has had a bad experience. Some extremely bad! Thank your lucky stars you had no money.

Benni.

i agree rick wood with a silent P

[dojj]

Originally Posted by alan12112

I'm more of a cheque book mechanic m8 tbh but i'm 99% sure it's got a de-comp plate - is that right?

My understanding is it creates slightly more room in your engine to change the compression ratio!

Apologies if this is wrong as I said i'm a cheque book mechanic

decomp plates aren't the "correct" way to lower compresion though are they

but it's an easier way if you aren't going to run lots of boost, apparently they have a bit of a chocolate coating on the pistons

[jammerrs]

Originally Posted by alan12112

I'm more of a cheque book mechanic m8 tbh but i'm 99% sure it's got a de-comp plate - is that right?

My understanding is it creates slightly more room in your engine to change the compression ratio!

Apologies if this is wrong as I said i'm a cheque book mechanic

yes that sounds about right mate ,

just wondered with you saying about the standard internals and thought turbos usually need that bit of compression lowering

although some supercharges dont

[SiST]

Graham - they are fantastic pistons for a turboed duratec - my mate tested a number of them and ended up using them for his turboed ST

[SiST]

Also I think I have found a manifold that will work

[Graham88]

This manifold?

http://www.pumaspeed.co.uk/showdetails.php?id=622

[SiST]

No - one from america.

I did ring up Pumaspeed about those last week as I was going to get one but they never got back to me and now I see they are OOS.

[Graham88]

I presume you are going Duratec Turbo aswell? Got a project thread?

[SiST]

Am in exactly the same boat as you mate - just working out if turboing is worth it - I have wanted to for a year now so I think it will have to be done

Im Si from FiestaSTOC btw mate

[Graham88]

Yeah that's what I'm trying to figure out, all about being different

Oh ok I've not been on there long I'll keep an eye out for you.

[anfywills]

why not just put a 2.3 mps engine in?
260 bhp standard, steel crank and rods, cross drilled block and head bullet proof

[steanlol]

Have a look at www.zetecinside.com
You could go with some titan roller barrel throttle bodies
Look at his links and have a read up and think about what you ultimately want and the power you want too .

[JAMSPORT]

on a 2l we have 385 bhp with a sc kit with modded engine

on 2.3l we have 400 bhp with a sc kit with modded engine

on 2.5l we have 440 bhp with a sc kit with modded engine

all of the kits we make in house but with a rotrex super charger this give a very linnier power curve on a stock engine with just cams and cosworth d-power inlet we see 320bhp @10psi peek. we have carried out over 100 of these kits and 50% of them would be over 280 bhp.

[dojj]

what engine mods and what sort of cost are we talking about?

also, what sort of down time is it for the drive in drive out job?

[JAMSPORT]

on a fiesta st the sc kit is all done in a morning, if it has a 2.3 engine aswell then that takes a bit longer that takes a day just depends on what we do.

we pride ourselves on how quick we can get them done

on one car we did a 2.3 full engine sc kit uprated gear box with atb diff ap 4pot kit suspension full exhast system 660 cc injectors and map all done in a day making 360 bhp

[dojj]

thats good going
only limiting factor for me is that i drive an auto so not sure what the limit on the box is