Bodged up mapping job - maps now added

[zetaboostboy522bhp]

Originally Posted by clarke5700 im sure thease were the people that maped luca's zetec turbo fiesta i thought it was jkm who mapped lucas engine

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[Chip]

Originally Posted by zetaboostboy522bhp

i thought it was jkm who mapped lucas engine

JKM mapped Luca's one mate yes, TOTALLY different company who are not in anyway connected with JDM.

JKM are in portsmouth, JDM are up north

[3i_gaz]

Originally Posted by Chip

They must have done a better job on that one than this one then, either that or its the same map but he hasnt driven his at half throttle yet, lol!

Not called Barnes is he by any chance?

yup, nic. car gets used the majority of days being driven to work, gets countless amounts of abuse at crail etc.....

the vids floating about of it speak for themselves

[Chip]

Originally Posted by 3i_gaz

yup, nic. car gets used the majority of days being driven to work, gets countless amounts of abuse at crail etc.....

the vids floating about of it speak for themselves

Im familiar with the car, think the engine is in bits yet again at the moment though as he said it was when I asked if he wanted to go to TOTB this year, or is it back together again now? Think he had an engine failure at TOTB when he ran there before as well TBH but I might be remembering wrong.

[Chip]

this is what happened to the engine after 120 or so miles



damage to number 4

damage to 2-3

[GaryEvo]

pmsl them tables are quality,why do people think 2hrs of mapping is enough,not sure who to blame the guy mapping it or customer for allowing it

does emarald do just basic map pressure table or do you have to use the tps and map correction??

ive done a good few pulsar etc with motec and its tricky getting tables right but atleast you get a 3d table for boost correction

[Chip]

Im not aware of a way of swapping the main load value to be MAP instead.

Like you I prefer to use MAP as a load figure on a turbo car (or a combination of that and throttle angle like Autronic does) but ultimately its still very possible to get good results from the emerald setup with it configured like on this car, just obviously not when the wrong values are entered into the table like in this case!

[markk]

that software is written by GEMS for emerald, in the options list is how you set it to use map as load, i have ano old version here somwhere if you cannot find it, ill try and get the exact details

[fuzzy]

Originally Posted by GaryEvo

pmsl them tables are quality,why do people think 2hrs of mapping is enough,not sure who to blame the guy mapping it or customer for allowing it

obviously the guy mapping it. why should the customer know any better? if he was that well informed he'd be doing it himself

[Chip]

Originally Posted by markk

that software is written by GEMS for emerald, in the options list is how you set it to use map as load, i have ano old version here somwhere if you cannot find it, ill try and get the exact details

Sounds like interesting info to post up for anyone who might be considering emerald for their car mate, do some screen grabs showing how if you get a chance.

[Chip]

Originally Posted by fuzzy

obviously the guy mapping it. why should the customer know any better? if he was that well informed he'd be doing it himself

IIRC it was on the rollers for 5 hours, the customer thought that he had received a decent map as the power figures were good, it was only when he tried to actually use it and it failed almost immediately that he realised all was not well.
He was paying an "expert" to map it for him, so that is what he believed they had done.

[GaryEvo]

ok so why not go back and complain,if id done a job as bad as that and customer didnt make it home id expect customer to come back

not that we've ever done a job like that!!

and he did that after 5 hrs ,what ever sort of job would he made in 5 days...lmao

[AlexF]

Why not go back?

Because there is no way to prove the damage is 100% mapping related.

Alex

[Chip]

Long way to go for him as well.

When he phoned up and sent pictures etc he was told that was debris damage to the pistons and they hadnt melted at all.
But apparently was offered a free remap when the engine is back together

[Chip]

Originally Posted by markk

that software is written by GEMS for emerald, in the options list is how you set it to use map as load, i have ano old version here somwhere if you cannot find it, ill try and get the exact details

Any joy on that mate?

I have had a good look through the software I have and there is nothing obvious allowing that configuration.

[markk]

Can the Emerald software be downloaded anywhere ? im at work at the moment.

[Chip]

Drop me a PM with your email address and I will fire it across.

[AlexF]

I've never heard of GEMS and Emerald being simialr...

[sbd16v]

Originally Posted by GaryEvo

ok so why not go back and complain,if id done a job as bad as that and customer didnt make it home id expect customer to come back

not that we've ever done a job like that!!

and he did that after 5 hrs ,what ever sort of job would he made in 5 days...lmao

thats because your honest

not a dishonest wanker, and the problem is when your a dishonest wanker you have no issues with saying that was not my fault, that damage is from someing going thought the engine

prove otherwise

its just annoying that ppl can get away with it

[Chip]

I think its harsh to call him dishonest without proof, being dishonest isnt the only explanation for him taking money for something without doing it properly and then wrongly saying that is debris damage rather than it having melted, the other explanation is that he is completely and totally clueless.

And from looking at that map it certainly is perfectly possible that he is just completely and totally clueless and knows utterly nothing about mapping or engines, so may not realise that what he did was utter shit, or that what he is saying to the customer now is completely wrong.


So really you should say he is a "dishonest or incompetent" wanker, rather than drawing the conclusion he is definately dishonest.

[sbd16v]

Originally Posted by Chip

I think its harsh to call him dishonest without proof, being dishonest isnt the only explanation for him taking money for something without doing it properly and then wrongly saying that is debris damage rather than it having melted, the other explanation is that he is completely and totally clueless.

And from looking at that map it certainly is perfectly possible that he is just completely and totally clueless and knows utterly nothing about mapping or engines, so may not realise that what he did was utter shit, or that what he is saying to the customer now is completely wrong.


So really you should say he is a "dishonest or incompetent" wanker, rather than drawing the conclusion he is definately dishonest.

then he is dishonest for taking someones money and telling them he can map there car when he does not really know how to.

[Chip]

Originally Posted by sbd16v

then he is dishonest for taking someones money and telling them he can map there car when he does not really know how to.

Not if he doesnt realise he is clueless.

He might mistakenly be under the impression that he has the first fucking clue what he is doing.

[sbd16v]

Originally Posted by Chip

Not if he doesnt realise he is clueless.

He might mistakenly be under the impression that he has the first fucking clue what he is doing.

lol

[markk]

Originally Posted by AlexF

I've never heard of GEMS and Emerald being simialr...

being a customer of Gems and having their software with some of the other companies names within it tends to be the giveaway

this company JDM, I actually know that this guy has mapped quite a few big horsepower drag bike, and they only ever have two throttle positions though

Im sure he has some rallying contacts also, dont know him personally though.

[3i_gaz]

yeah chip, nic, met him when he bought some comps off me. top top fella

corsa does well too, shame it couldent of made TOTB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0XIZ891Gy4

[Chip]

Nic certainly likes abusing it, he would have probably been ok on this map, as it would have never seen half throttle which is where its most dangerous, lol

[3i_gaz]

he drives the corsa to work and back too os i think its on half throttle more or less everyday tbh. seems reliable enough considering the hiding it takes lol

[Chip]

Is it back in one piece now then after it died recently?

Ive only spoken to him a few times, and each time the engine has been fucked for one reason or another, but maybe that wasnt a representative sample!

[3i_gaz]

from what i remember, the engine never died, oil light came on. stripped down to find cause and some utter cunt at his work had opened the bonnet whilst nic was away and put some fine stones/gravel into the engine, its found its way into the sump and blocked the pick up pipe.

was stripped for inspection, no visible damage, built back up and its getting abuse again ever since.

i've never really heard of him having major engine trouble, only traction issues, gearbox mount and a diff seal.

[Chip]

Yeah he said to me something about someone putting stones into it or something.

Still it could be worse, they could have put one of JDM's bodge spec maps on it, that would have really fucked it judging by what happened to this engine, lol

[3i_gaz]

could of.... but didn't.

[AquariousRS]

Chip / Gary do any you know of a white Tigra in Maghull? Heard loads of stories about it but never seen it.

[Chip]

Yes mate, 500bhp or there abouts and very tidy?

Just had a problem with the lifter shims, like AG had at TOTB but with more damage done!

[AquariousRS]

Know of any threads about it Chip on migweb or anything?

[Chip]

Not really mate, coming soon to total vauxhall mag though IIRC

[Rick]

I've never mapped Emrald, and have no desire to after playing with the software. Sad fact is there are so many mapped in an afternoon on the rollers cars out there which drive like turd.

[GaryHurn]

bit of a thread bump but this was my engine that melted

his is the said car and the old engine before it melted



and the new engine that arrived a few months ago fully rebuilt and ready to go

[kjc300]

Chip, on the emerald IIRC you just right click on the green left hand column (where it is TPS) and change it to MAP. I know you can actually do it.

[GaryHurn]

Originally Posted by kjc300

Chip, on the emerald IIRC you just right click on the green left hand column (where it is TPS) and change it to MAP. I know you can actually do it.

yes that is correct!

[rst in breaking]

what power you going for on your new engine? chip mapping it for you?