God those RS200 evolutions were awesome (video)

[cozzfather]

have just read from someone who worked for Welchy that one of his cars was a dakar car that was built into a Xtrac rallycrosser so i dunno. if anyone wants a xtrac type transmission in there car this is the man to do it well his company....... http://www.nicholsonmclaren.com/history.htm

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[Chip]

Originally Posted by cozzfather

have just read from someone who worked for Welchy that one of his cars was a dakar car that was built into a Xtrac rallycrosser so i dunno.

if anyone wants a xtrac type transmission in there car this is the man to do it well his company.......

http://www.nicholsonmclaren.com/history.htm

And dont forget to bring your 50 grand

[Chip]

Originally Posted by cosworth3d

Looks like one

Very cool picture

[lead_foot]

More infor here:

http://www.groupbrally.com/opel.shtml

and here:

http://home.claranet.de/ofs2/rallye/...lder/index.htm

[JohnnyB]

So the orginal prototype judging by the last link was had a BDT engine.


And the 2.4 opel engine one was N/A

I bet the Astra in the orginal Video had a BDT engine?

[steveboyslim]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

So the orginal prototype judging by the last link was had a BDT engine.


And the 2.4 opel engine one was N/A

I bet the Astra in the orginal Video had a BDT engine?

John Welch only ever used the turbo manta 400 engine, built by SWRE.
The prototype did Paris Dakar with a N/A Cosworth built 400 engine
Car broke reverse gear trying to drive out of deep sand, no one at the time thought you would need a mega strong reverse gear
There is also a Sprintex (originally) supercharged engine in an astra 4S, Vauxhall still own.

Steve

[Spax]

Mike Endean lives over here in Guernsey, the puma is seriously quick, never been fed full power at our sprint as it's too scary apparently!

[Chip]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

So the orginal prototype judging by the last link was had a BDT engine.


And the 2.4 opel engine one was N/A

I bet the Astra in the orginal Video had a BDT engine?

No, a turbo'd manta 400 engine

[cozzyspud]

What a blast from the past I was actually at that race at Cadwell all those years ago and although I am a die hard RS fan I can't deny that the astra was Awesome!

[cozzfather]

Originally Posted by Spax

Mike Endean lives over here in Guernsey, the puma is seriously quick, never been fed full power at our sprint as it's too scary apparently!

Spax matey can't you saunter off round his palace and tell him a bloke on passion ford wants pics of his gartrac xtrac escort ???????

[c20tbo]

Originally Posted by cozzyspud

What a blast from the past I was actually at that race at Cadwell all those years ago and although I am a die hard RS fan I can't deny that the astra was Awesome!

So was i mate, as a 7yr old, my dad was racing also, think in c class.

Spoke to John Welch a while back and he informed me that this particular Astra was bought buy a norwegan guy just for the transmission, he presumed the shell was scrapped.

Must admit that Johns astra for me was my fav rallycross car then the 205t16, also one of the best battles was the Astra against the t16 at croft in the internations, on youtube if anyone would like to put up.

[GTE 16v]

Nice one. Vauxhalls Rock!!!

[Glenn.]

I wouldnt go that far lol.


Some top info on here.

[cozzfather]

Originally Posted by GTE 16v

Nice one. Vauxhalls Rock!!!

yep especially when they have a cosworth belt drive turbo ala rs200 shoved in.

no wonder Welchy bought it and did a rallycross programme in it,it was a lot of car and he probably got it cheep.
after doing a bit more digging i found that the bloke who said that Welchy converted a Astra 4 into a rallycross car used to work for him painting Gartrac escorts for Gartrac, no wonder Welchy had a Gartrac escort rallycross car.

you would wouldn't you,i paint your cars you sort me a shell

[ECOS95]

Originally Posted by .Ross.

Good Video that Chip ... Pissing on the RS bonfire that Astra ..

TFP

Oh yea he totaly blew the RS away

[Chip]

Thought I would bump this thread with this cool video of some of the escorts in action, one of the best videos ive ever seen from a couple of mins in till about 5 mins in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GLc8UR2Aag

[turbocabessex]

this is a good 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDAAhPynJDg

[Chip]

Originally Posted by turbocabessex

this is a good 1

Thats rally not rallycross like the rest of the thread obviously, but still a good video

[turbocabessex]

Originally Posted by Chip

Thats rally not rallycross like the rest of the thread obviously, but still a good video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC4hUEWGPm4

better? pat doran rallycross legend

[CRAIG HAYTER]

good thread as usual Karl knows his stuff

[cozzfather]

Originally Posted by Chip

Thought I would bump this thread with this cool video of some of the escorts in action, one of the best videos ive ever seen from a couple of mins in till about 5 mins in

that video i think i posted on my Mr Rallycross post on here,it gets very exiting around 3 mins in and at 3.30 when mr rallycross does the porker around the outside using the grass that shows me how good he was,no fucker else uses the grass to overtake in motorsport other than him,seen him do it in this video and he was going faster on the grass than all the other cars on the track

http://www.motorsportmad.com/view/46...s-final-part-1

[Chip]

Similar thing here from Welch in the astra:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1DhE6I3E5U

at 1:58 in


Gotta love the lunatic lines some of them take!

[MARCOSWORTH]

Originally Posted by Chip

Thought I would bump this thread with this cool video of some of the escorts in action, one of the best videos ive ever seen from a couple of mins in till about 5 mins in

Schanche spitting flames all over

[zetec-Sam]

Originally Posted by boothy

look at this

Love the move by the escort at 3:45!

[Chris69]

Originally Posted by Chip

Similar thing here from Welch in the astra:

at 1:58 in


Gotta love the lunatic lines some of them take!

thats a great battle- love the outside overtaking, just hanging it out there!

[evo200]

Wasn't the X-trac system totally different in the way it tranferred the drive to the front wheels as opposed to the layout in say the 4x4 cossie? vaguely remember reading an article on the x-trac escort about it

Originally Posted by cozzfather

Spax matey can't you saunter off round his palace and tell him a bloke on passion ford wants pics of his gartrac xtrac escort ???????

[rossco22]

Some superb video's there shame we dont really have anything like this now a days... Mad to see the power these cars were producing all that time ago too

[cozzfather]

Originally Posted by evo200

Wasn't the X-trac system totally different in the way it tranferred the drive to the front wheels as opposed to the layout in say the 4x4 cossie? vaguely remember reading an article on the x-trac escort about it

hey up matey

them early xtrac escorts had a lever that split the percentage from 50-50 to 60-40 70-30 etc,while the car was driving on the move.
the boxes that mr rallycross were using before they went 4x4 were hewland formula 1 gearboxes
hewland f1 boxes that used to be mint rallycross boxes http://www.hewland.com/svga/productrange/fgc.htm
hewland gb's prices... http://www.hewland.com/svga/2008_Price.pdf

imagine buying a new xtrac formula 1 box now to stuff in a focus

[Sanchez_]

we have a rebuilt xtrac box and 2 front diffs and a controller sat in our workshop all urs for 25k it will take 850 bhp only issue it needs new gear kit as its geared for rally cross so 4 speed but 0-60 in 2.1 topping out at 130 at 8.500 rpm on a ybon gravel lol

[markk]

Originally Posted by Jay_

we have a rebuilt xtrac box and 2 front diffs and a controller sat in our workshop all urs for 25k it will take 850 bhp only issue it needs new gear kit as its geared for rally cross so 4 speed but 0-60 in 2.1 topping out at 130 at 8.500 rpm on a yb lol

if it needs a new gearkit then its of no use to any one as the xtrac costs to remake you one will be another Ł25k !

even to the rallycross boys its old stuff now. ill give you Ł5k and risk being done

seriously your only customer is someone in rallycross for that, are there any spares left for these ?

[Sanchez_]

gear kits arnt 25k a full 6 speed rebuild new bearings ect is 19k, a snip i think lol

[markk]

Originally Posted by Jay_

gear kits arnt 25k a full 6 speed rebuild new bearings ect is 19k, a snip i think lol

thats if you can sell the other 10 you have to have made at the same time, volume brings discount hence the price down !

Ive dealt with xtrac a couple of times and they charge like wounded rhinos !

[callummarshall]

thers one on PH fs at Ł110k me thinkis. ive got my eye on it if i win th euro mills tonight roll on Ł20mill

[mechanic28]

i swear that astra is in the heritage musuem at luton

[RSRoy]

Great video's

Schanche is a legend

[schanche]

Originally Posted by c20tbo

So was i mate, as a 7yr old, my dad was racing also, think in c class.

Spoke to John Welch a while back and he informed me that this particular Astra was bought buy a norwegan guy just for the transmission, he presumed the shell was scrapped.

Tommy Kristoffessen purchased all the parts ie Transmission etc and Installed into his awesome Audi Quattro will be posting Videos soon off Tommy!

[cit-tech]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3__MUjfhpU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcr8w6-jD5s

and matti is on a come back this year ,finger crossed

[cozzfather]

was that the black one or am i getting confused with bert brodin Mr S ???

It has to be said that by the later 80's the ford rs 200 was the daddy in rx competition,yeah the t16's and evo quattros and 6r4's were amazing but a kit car from staffordshire with a cosworth donkey driven by a viking conquered all in my opinion lol

who remembers gary baker,thor holm,tommy rustad,trevor hopkins,bengt wikland,matti alamaki,mark renison,martin iversen,jan arthur iversen and pekka rattanen etc.
infact whatever happened to gary baker,he was sponsored by joe bloggs after q8 and yes i owned some joe bloggs clobber,can you still get joe bloggs ??

[cit-tech]

tommi car was green was 3v when built then went to 5valve they say he had over 800hp if needed ,
some pics of tommis car here and gearbox ,can not see lever which the astra had but that is what i heard years ago astra in bits to build audi
http://www.classic-audi.co.uk/forum/...?t=6673&page=5

[DazS1Turbo]

Awsoem period of motorsport - some of the racing was so close back then and the power of these things

Remember watching these at my nanna's on grandstand when i was a boy

Will Gollop? remember him being lethal in a

Some RS500's on this footage - excuse the yanky commentator

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11fBV...eature=channel