my skylines gonna be 600 hp :)

[scoooby slayer]

took it to tr racing yesterday and rob said the last map would of been 1.2 bar max and i know it was on premium unleaded fuel and was 535 fwbhp. if my crank is knackered im gonna have brand new crank, wiseco pistons, uprated oil pump and head check and new metal gasket. i want to run 1.5 bar like a stage 3 cossie and rob said should be around 600 fwbhp on the twin gt28s

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[carlo]

Sounds good mate least you know the engine will be mint as well & take the abuse its got coming

[scoooby slayer]

Originally Posted by carlo

Sounds good mate least you know the engine will be mint as well & take the abuse its got coming

thats what im thinking mate do it once and enjoy it.

[carlo]

Defo when you hoping to get t back?

[scoooby slayer]

Originally Posted by carlo

Defo when you hoping to get t back?

at least a fortnight they are well busy
they should be starting on it next week.
i cant wait to drive it in anger at 1.5 bar

[Christian and Beccy]

When you say FWBHP, you don't mean that on GT28's you'll have 600 BHP at the wheels, do you?

[scoooby slayer]

Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy

When you say FWBHP, you don't mean that on GT28's you'll have 600 BHP at the wheels, do you?

no flywheel thought fw ment flywheel power.

[Christian and Beccy]

Originally Posted by scoooby slayer

no flywheel thought fw ment flywheel power.

LOL, now I get it.

First of all, I thought FWBHP meant FRONT WHEEL BHP.

[scoooby slayer]

Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy

LOL, now I get it.

First of all, I thought FWBHP meant FRONT WHEEL BHP.

oh well flybhp is that better ?

[Lambchop]

Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy

LOL, now I get it.

First of all, I thought FWBHP meant FRONT WHEEL BHP.

lol i knew skylines were not fwd so i thought he meant FOUR wheel bhp

Originally Posted by scoooby slayer

i want to run 1.5 bar like a stage 3 cossie

Statements like this annoy the hell out of me. Why do YOU want to run 1.5 bar??? And what has a stg3 cossie running 1.5 bar on a different turbo got to do with it?

I hate when people state the boost they'd like to run when tbh you should just let the mapper set it up to get the max out of the car. What if you could safely run more power but boost higher than 1.5 bar?
Leave it to the mapper to decide how the car boosts!

[Glenn.]

I hope you have loads of fun with it.

[scoooby slayer]

Originally Posted by Lambchop

lol i knew skylines were not fwd so i thought he meant FOUR wheel bhp




Statements like this annoy the hell out of me. Why do YOU want to run 1.5 bar??? And what has a stg3 cossie running 1.5 bar on a different turbo got to do with it?

I hate when people state the boost they'd like to run when tbh you should just let the mapper set it up to get the max out of the car. What if you could safely run more power but boost higher than 1.5 bar?
Leave it to the mapper to decide how the car boosts!

its got to do with stage 3 cossies are pretty reliable !
do you think i havnt spoke to tweenie rob about it already, to run 1.5 bar needs better pistons and oil pump to be reliable hense why i want to change them. or gotta stick at 1.2 otherwise.

[Christian and Beccy]

I think what the Chopmeister is saying is that it's not right to have a target figure of how much boost you want to run. The mapper should map it for how much boost is actually useful. It might be that a particular set-up may only be good at 1.2 bar for example. You can't compare a 6 Cylinder Twin Turbo Skyline with a Stage 3 Cossie in any way really.

[Lambchop]

Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy

I think what the Chopmeister is saying is that it's not right to have a target figure of how much boost you want to run. The mapper should map it for how much boost is actually useful. It might be that a particular set-up may only be good at 1.2 bar for example. You can't compare a 6 Cylinder Twin Turbo Skyline with a Stage 3 Cossie in any way really.

Cheers, exactly what i mean.


SURELY you get fuckwits coming in demanding how to set their boost? How do you deal with that? Surely it'd compromise the map at times and risk the name? You surely tell them to fuck off or do it themselves?

[scoooby slayer]

Originally Posted by Lambchop

Cheers, exactly what i mean.


SURELY you get fuckwits coming in demanding how to set their boost? How do you deal with that? Surely it'd compromise the map at times and risk the name? You surely tell them to fuck off or do it themselves?

whos demanding anything as said it was on the back of conversation with tuner.

how can it compromise the map if the boost is a bit lower than what can be run safely.

you get FUCKWITS on forums too

[Lambchop]

Originally Posted by scoooby slayer

whos demanding anything as said it was on the back of conversation with tuner.

how can it compromise the map if the boost is a bit lower than what can be run safely.

you get FUCKWITS on forums too

You really dont get it do you??? You said YOU want to run 1.5 bar and never mentioned you were given that advice.
Do you understand why you let the mapper decide while actually mapping it?

Why would they run less boost/power than they had to?

Madness.

[twoblacklines]

if its tweenierob he can probably safely run alot more than 1.5bar too!

[scoooby slayer]

Originally Posted by Lambchop

You really dont get it do you??? You said YOU want to run 1.5 bar and never mentioned you were given that advice.
Do you understand why you let the mapper decide while actually mapping it?

Why would they run less boost/power than they had to?

Madness.

i dont think you get it tbh. just because it will run 2 bar boost doesnt mean you have to does it !

surely you understand a car at 1.5 bar will be more reliable and last longer than the same car at 2 bar.

[Lambchop]

Jesus wept.

You think the CAR is more reliable? Maybe the turbo gets an easier life but thats it.

Mappers map car to a safe reliable limit dont they? You think people map things that are ticking time bombs?

Jesus

Point is usuaully the owner leave the boost desisions to their mapper

[Harry.]

I'm going to stick my oar in. This is how I see it, I think a fairly standard conversation has got lost in translation. The way I see it is thus:

Scooby Slayer wants to run 1.5bar not as a specific boost pressure he's chosen, but in relation to the fact the car will run 2.0bar for safety (or whatever). Obviously the car will be mapped properly whatever boost it has, but Scooby Slayer would rather trade reliability for power and thus doesn't mind if it's only running 3/4 of it's capable boost.

[scoooby slayer]

Originally Posted by Lambchop

Jesus wept.

You think the CAR is more reliable? Maybe the turbo gets an easier life but thats it.

Mappers map car to a safe reliable limit dont they? You think people map things that are ticking time bombs?

Jesus

Point is usuaully the owner leave the boost desisions to their mapper

the car will be more reliable end of. less boost = less air in engine per cycle = less cylinder pressure.

i am hoping for 600 bhp max and no more. drivetrain will be out of its safe zone at that.

theres always one, and today its lambchop

[scoooby slayer]

Originally Posted by Harry.

I'm going to stick my oar in. This is how I see it, I think a fairly standard conversation has got lost in translation. The way I see it is thus:

Scooby Slayer wants to run 1.5bar not as a specific boost pressure he's chosen, but in relation to the fact the car will run 2.0bar for safety (or whatever). Obviously the car will be mapped properly whatever boost it has, but Scooby Slayer would rather trade reliability for power and thus doesn't mind if it's only running 3/4 of it's capable boost.

exactly mate. my aim is max 600 hp which should be achieved at around 1.5 bar.

[Lambchop]

Originally Posted by scoooby slayer

theres always one, and today its lambchop

that's not really fair mate, i think i've tried to get my query across well. if you want your car to be less capable than it could then go for it! I won't claim to understand but up to you

[LHD220Turbo]

i dont think you get what scooby slayer is saying; he wants the car to be circa 600hp which is where the drive train will last at this level

600hp according to his tuner will be acheived at 1.5 bar of boost........

[scoooby slayer]

Originally Posted by Lambchop

that's not really fair mate, i think i've tried to get my query across well. if you want your car to be less capable than it could then go for it! I won't claim to understand but up to you

i dont see how youve got your query across well by insinuating im a fuckwit and that my tuner should tell me to fuck off !

sorry if ive misunderstood but thats basically how it reads to me.

and yes i choose a car 50 bhp down to gain engine and drivetrain longevity any day of the week.

im a very money orrientated person and i openly admit that.
and i am not planning on loosing any money on the car hence want it reliable as possible.

[scoooby slayer]

Originally Posted by LHD220Turbo

i dont think you get what scooby slayer is saying; he wants the car to be circa 600hp which is where the drive train will last at this level

600hp according to his tuner will be acheived at 1.5 bar of boost........

thats it mate, i had a good discussion with rob hes a top bloke and thats the rough figure. all engines differ as we all know but its a guide.
tbh ive had 1.5 bar in my head from the start as imo its a reliable area for turbos to run.

[LHD220Turbo]

Originally Posted by scoooby slayer

thats it mate, i had a good discussion with rob hes a top bloke and thats the rough figure. all engines differ as we all know but its a guide.
tbh ive had 1.5 bar in my head from the start as imo its a reliable area for turbos to run.

now change your sig!!!

[scoooby slayer]

Originally Posted by LHD220Turbo

now change your sig!!!

well spotted il ask for someone to do one

[3dr wixsy]

if you like to drive a car you'll find a 600 bhp skyline really really boring. Yep theyre quick but it drives itself. My last one had way over that and it was as boring as fuck. just my opinion. Tried the 500bhp rs500 as well, and the best car to drive i hadwas a Paul Bailey built 400 bhp 3dr. Really good FUN, yep thats the word fun as opposed to boring. No offence we're all different. I really hope you love the new engine

[scoooby slayer]

Originally Posted by 3dr wixsy

if you like to drive a car you'll find a 600 bhp skyline really really boring. Yep theyre quick but it drives itself. My last one had way over that and it was as boring as fuck. just my opinion. Tried the 500bhp rs500 as well, and the best car to drive i hadwas a Paul Bailey built 400 bhp 3dr. Really good FUN, yep thats the word fun as opposed to boring. No offence we're all different. I really hope you love the new engine

its all about the bhp per £1 for me now mate. and the r32 weighs in fairly light at 1380kg. and it has switchable 2 and 4wd so should be good for a bit of tail action it felt good at 1.1 bar peak when i drove it, i dont know what boost it was holding monitor just recorded peak and i didnt watch it while driving i shall report my thoughts of it on here when shes home

[AlexF]

Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy

LOL, now I get it.

First of all, I thought FWBHP meant FRONT WHEEL BHP.

+1

then I was thinking about who was making up that kinda power figure from those turbos LOL

now it makes sence - should be a monster

[Stu.H]

Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy

I think what the Chopmeister is saying is that it's not right to have a target figure of how much boost you want to run. The mapper should map it for how much boost is actually useful. It might be that a particular set-up may only be good at 1.2 bar for example. You can't compare a 6 Cylinder Twin Turbo Skyline with a Stage 3 Cossie in any way really.

Makes me laugh and I remember Karl telling me about a customer ..

He wanted 20psi (cant remember car or spec) but was addament on having 20psi. Karl said it would run faster and cooler on 1bar as CT's and turbo life would suffer, but no he wanted 20psi.

As I remember, he got the 20psi (customer paying I guess) but was back a week later to wonder why it was 'holding back' after a good thrash

Live and learn

[3dr wixsy]

As i said i really hope you enjoy it. I wouldvr thought bhp per £ that a 500 bhp cossie lump wouldve been quicker than a 550 skyline do to all transmission loss. Anyway enjoy!!

[scoooby slayer]

Originally Posted by AlexF

+1

then I was thinking about who was making up that kinda power figure from those turbos LOL

now it makes sence - should be a monster

i hope so mate and under £9k with a frsh tr engine. i could of bought one with around 600 hp for about £10k but at least i get a new engine this time and get the best of it myself.

[AlexF]

transmission losses on a skyline are good - they arnt permanent 4x4 remember

[AlexF]

Originally Posted by scoooby slayer

i hope so mate and under £9k with a frsh tr engine. i could of bought one with around 600 hp for about £10k but at least i get a new engine this time and get the best of it myself.

couldnt agree more!

I bought mine pre-modded

[scoooby slayer]

Originally Posted by Stu.H

Makes me laugh and I remember Karl telling me about a customer ..

He wanted 20psi (cant remember car or spec) but was addament on having 20psi. Karl said it would run faster and cooler on 1bar as CT's and turbo life would suffer, but no he wanted 20psi.

As I remember, he got the 20psi (customer paying I guess) but was back a week later to wonder why it was 'holding back' after a good thrash

Live and learn

thats a good point but not applicable as i want to run less boost than it can handle, not more.

[scoooby slayer]

Originally Posted by AlexF

transmission losses on a skyline are good - they arnt permanent 4x4 remember

thats true mate. mines got a sky lab torque splitter and an override switch for permanent 2wd so im told.

[dovboy]

my mates just told me tonight he is buying an r32 skyline gtr cheap with a top end tic,rattle.

is that what yours had and its ended up being the crank?

[AlexF]

top end might be the ring lands