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Old 23-06-2009, 09:55 PM   #1
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Has anyone else seen this new system ?

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There is one in Luton on the A6 . It is a good idea but what if it punctures someones tyres then the car looses control on the main road and crashes into innocent people ?
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If my head was up my arse and I forgot to pay, that would only add to my misery. However, I've never forgotten and don't think I wouldn't see all the warnings.

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Old 23-06-2009, 09:58 PM   #3
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Bout bloody time they did something.

But a good valid point on the control issue. People stealing petrol aint gonna be hanging around.
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what they have done in B.C canada, is you have to pay for your petrol before you fil up... saves the whold driving off without paying....
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what they have done in B.C canada, is you have to pay for your petrol before you fil up... saves the whold driving off without paying....
They are supposed to do that here and I despise it. You have to walk in and tell them you are paying by card, then walk out fill up and go in again and pay. However, I am really lazy; probably doesn't bother anyone else.

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They are supposed to do that here and I despise it. You have to walk in and tell them you are paying by card, then walk out fill up and go in again and pay. However, I am really lazy; probably doesn't bother anyone else.

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you could always pay at the pump before you fill up..... they just need to give the option for fill up, then it debits your account as per....

if you pay by cash, just go in, pay , fill up and then drive off

easy!! I hated paying before, but now im used to it and it doesnt bother me.
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They are supposed to do that here and I despise it. You have to walk in and tell them you are paying by card, then walk out fill up and go in again and pay. However, I am really lazy; probably doesn't bother anyone else.

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What they could do is, go to the counter, give the cashier the card, fill up, cashier processes it while your on your way back, put in your pin and job done.
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what they have done in B.C canada, is you have to pay for your petrol before you fil up... saves the whold driving off without paying....
if i'm asked to pay before i fill up i won't use the station

typically they ask you to pay, but seeing as you never really know how much yuo are going to put in, and i don't tend to carry cash so their alternative is to leve the card behind the counter while i fill up

like fuck am i going to do that

just have a small sectio of forecourt rise up when you are suthorised to fill up and job done, might cost a few quid ot instal but it will eliminate the problem once and for all
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As I use to work in a petrol station you be amazed how many people did this,but my boss had two garages the one in the better area was was worse for this.

About time some thing was done tho
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What they could do is, go to the counter, give the cashier the card, fill up, cashier processes it while your on your way back, put in your pin and job done.
in the mean time, the cashier has cloned your card and your life savings have been spent in singapore on a lap dance and under age turtles
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I only wanna' go in the damn garage once. Pay at pump it is, lol.

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Petrol stations are one of the worst places to get your card cloned. I never let mine out of sight.
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in the mean time, the cashier has cloned your card and your life savings have been spent in singapore on a lap dance and under age turtles
Life savings? Lets see how far he gets on that.

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Does anyone know if Petrol stations have the right to keep your card? I remember when mine wouldn't work and he said he was keeping it, even though I paid by other method. I was outraged and 'swiped' my card from behind the desk and left. I was later told I stole it. How can you steal what is yours?

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but what if it punctures someones tyres then the car looses control on the main road and crashes into innocent people ?
then prosecute the drivers for manslaughter/murder etc. just like they should do to young thieves joyriding!

These criminal scum CHOOSE to run and flee. Therefore it is thier responsibility alone for the consequences!!
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Old 23-06-2009, 10:23 PM   #16
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I had a petrol station keep my company credit card so was not really bothered. She then said she can claim £20 for taking my card.
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Does anyone know if Petrol stations have the right to keep your card? I remember when mine wouldn't work and he said he was keeping it, even though I paid by other method. I was outraged and 'swiped' my card from behind the desk and left. I was later told I stole it. How can you steal what is yours?

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Card machines show up "Retain card" which not many places actually take the card and keep it due to confrontation. Shops get £50 for every one of these cards that get sent off.

Petrol stations should pay BEFORE filling up. We would just have to get used to it. It would stop people stealing the petrol, end of. Put "Pay at Pump" machines like Tesco and don't have a manned stations over night to save on staff.

People say petrol stations are the worst for cloning cards, but I personally have a debit card which I will never use in a shop, online or anything. Yet I use my credit card all the time. I would rather someone clone my credit card and take the banks money, instead of using my debit card and letting them take my cash! I lost my bank card in a cash machine last week (Problem with cash point) so I moved all my money out of that account for 2 weeks to be safe (Ive heard people put something that stops cards being ejected from machines, which the Police confirmed when I reported this to them in case of fraud and I cancelled the card straight away).

My question is.... If they stop 100% of petrol theft would they reduce the price of petrol by any amount?? Like fuck will they...
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When he said they were the worse for cloning credit cards, he meant for "cloning credit and debit cards"

And im with Dan, fuck leaving my credit card out of my site with anyone to allow them to copy it.
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tesco pay at pump. quick and easy and you don't have to wait in a queue inside with all the twats who are paying using a card anyway
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I would be very interested if this was used on someone as they fled only to have an accident and have legal grounds to sue the station for damages, and the legal situation of the garage that just caused a 4 car pile up with 3 people dead, be very interesting.
I have on occasion forgotten to pay, but station mananger who I know well, pays it for me, then lets me know I owe him some money!!
I forgot at tesco drove off to the cashpoint at tesco store as happened to be going in there, rememberd about fuel payment, so went back to pay, about 5 mins later after filling up, they said we reported it to the police we saw you drive off to the cashpoint.
I said fine here is the money, they refused so I said fine thanks for the free petrol, I'll be in the store(tesco) if the plod want to talk, they did, we walked over to the station to see station manager and when pointed out by me tesco refused payment so I accepted it as a gift, pod confirmed to them what I had told them, theft is a intention to PERMANENTLY deprive, as I had gone back to pay this wasn't the case.
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this system has been around for atlest 3 years. Nothing new
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I work part time in a garage on nights, i'll use my discretion wether or not to ask for pre-pay. I'm lucky that most customers are regular.

If they want to pay by card and i ask for the card it is always kept on view of the camera and not touched till the person is their watching, shame most independent garages are tarred with the same brush for card cloning.

If the customer ain't happy then their is a HSBC machine at the end of the garage they can use so they can pay by cash.

When the chip and pin came into garages my Uncle filled up his car in Hunts Cross, when asked how he was paying he said by card, the person behind the counter asked for his card. He then asked for his pin To which my uncle said no chance, the garage had the chip and pin machine bolted to the wall incase someone robbed it
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No real difference to the 'stingers' the Police use.
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tesco pay at pump. quick and easy and you don't have to wait in a queue inside with all the twats who are paying using a card anyway
Amen to that

While we're ranting on this subject - filling up from a pump on the other side of the car to your petrol cap.

WTF is wrong with people - Tesco even has signs saying "pipes will reach both sides". Yet people still que for ages for the pump on their side.

I drive round the que where possible, then run the pipe around the back of the car and fill up while looking smugly at all the fucktards still in the que.

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Amen to that

While we're ranting on this subject - filling up from a pump on the other side of the car to your petrol cap.

WTF is wrong with people - Tesco even has signs saying "pipes will reach both sides". Yet people still que for ages for the pump on their side.

I drive round the que where possible, then run the pipe around the back of the car and fill up while looking smugly at all the fucktards still in the que.

Buffoons!

100% agree. Always just drive round them and if I am in the volvo, stretch the hose across the car and if in the M3, make sure it doesn't touch the paint anywhere...

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yu lot realise HOW cards are cloned dont you ???

they make a copy of the reciept as thats whats got your numbers and expiry, they then look at the back of the card for the 3 numbers claiming to check the signature,,, this is why chip and pin is VERY good as nobody touches your card to get the last three digits,,,,, they dont actually scan the bloody card on a seperate card ready like you see in james bond ect

some places even have lazy staff that loose the pdq slips as they cantbe arsed to manually write the numbers down

at work i refuse to take credit card details over the phone as i used to work with someone who used to take card details on the phone,,, and also use them for online purchases
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seems a good idea!

i was in tesco trying to fill up yesterday and they wouldnt turn the pump on, i went to see why and because i dont run a front reg plate they wouldnt serve me, i had to get it out of the boot and cable tie it on, its "fell off" again now though
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you could always pay at the pump before you fill up..... they just need to give the option for fill up, then it debits your account as per....
You could - but I've only ever managed to get "pay at pump" to work ONCE in the countless times I've tried. It doesn't ever seem to work for fuel cards, and the rest of the time it just isn't working or turned off, so you can't even try...

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So what happens if you aren't paying attention of go over the amount you gave them? Or their shit pumps suddenly go a bit faster and you over fill by a few pence? Are they gonna let you off? Are they fuck!

Or what about when oyu want to brim it - how can you tell exactly how much it's gonna cost?
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Why not have a pre-paid fuel card for everybody? You top up in a petrol station, over phone, etc say put £50 on and then if you don't spend the entire £50 you can use it next time. Thse can be used in the Pay @ Pump machines and it only allows what amount you have on the card or less.

Companies can top up the cards and keep track of it and if someone wants to put £10 in they go into the shop and pay before hand!
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While we're ranting on this subject - filling up from a pump on the other side of the car to your petrol cap.

WTF is wrong with people - Tesco even has signs saying "pipes will reach both sides". Yet people still que for ages for the pump on their side.
doesnt always work that way!!

With my car at tescos, if i use the pump on wrong side of car there isnt enough hose slack for me to turn the nozzle to the right angle to fill my tank so it stops on the overfill cut off every 2 seconds!! then of course it takes me ages to fill the 25L tank
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doesnt always work that way!!

With my car at tescos, if i use the pump on wrong side of car there isnt enough hose slack for me to turn the nozzle to the right angle to fill my tank so it stops on the overfill cut off every 2 seconds!! then of course it takes me ages to fill the 25L tank
write to their chieef executive officer and make a bit of a song and dance about it

i'm sure everyone will boycott tesco until they see sense and fit longer fuel filler pipes for your motor
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doesnt always work that way!!

With my car at tescos, if i use the pump on wrong side of car there isnt enough hose slack for me to turn the nozzle to the right angle to fill my tank so it stops on the overfill cut off every 2 seconds!! then of course it takes me ages to fill the 25L tank
Seriously? You want to try parking better (ie Closer) to allow the hose to reach.

I've never had a problem in 14 years of filling cars, the hose always reaches. Sure there's never miles of slack, but unless you're parking in the neighbouring pump area the hose should reach just fine

That's why they make the hoses the length they do - you don't need 5 foot spare hose to fill on the same side of the car
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Amen to that

While we're ranting on this subject - filling up from a pump on the other side of the car to your petrol cap.

WTF is wrong with people - Tesco even has signs saying "pipes will reach both sides". Yet people still que for ages for the pump on their side.

I drive round the que where possible, then run the pipe around the back of the car and fill up while looking smugly at all the fucktards still in the que.

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same here. some then follow suit but most just sit waiting out of stubborness.most cars seem to have the filler on the drivers side as thats the pumps that are always queues on.
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the pumps are designed with hoses long enough to reach both sides. if it doesnt you must be crap at parking. it reaches over my van no problem.
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the hose reaches fine, its just theres not enough slack to twist the nozzle to the angle needed to fill my tank!! with other cars its no problem! Its just the filler neck in my car is at a funny angle!
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