are you allowed to weld 2 cars together to make a good one.

[rik-rs]

as in, if the front of one was smashed and back of another, so put the two remaining good bits together...

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[col cos1]

fuk that

[RS 5tu]

Nope thats a cut and shut witch is again the law and could be dangerous

[cossie690]

that would be classed as a cut an shut would it not??

[Elvis]

no, its called a cut and shut, and illegal.

[Lee Reynolds]

taking the piss?

[escort700bhp]

Originally Posted by rik-rs

as in, if the front of one was smashed and back of another, so put the two remaining good bits together...

its not illegal but would it be safe ? and would you want to sell it to someone

[rik-rs]

yeah i knew, thought it was illegal, but just seen this for sale with spare bit...

[Lee Reynolds]

that doesnt mean you need to cut and shut it, just may use a lot of the parts.....

[cossiedave]

would of thought do properly it be ok id do it but im a dodggy bastard

[cossie690]

makes sense now.. that should be ok to do. i'd think..

[westus1]

sound daft but its not actualy illegal as long as both cars are legit
how strong it would be and how well its done is a completely differant story
and there would be a bit of a moral obligation to tell if you sell it
i certainly wouldn't want 1 but i have had cars damaged and bits sectioned in off other cars so it just depends how much and how well done realy

[paulg]

If done properly nothing wrong at all. How do you think cars are put together in the first place?

[cozzymatt]

someone who knows what they are doing could make a real nice job of it! but then again someone could completely fuck it all up..
TBH it would all depend on wether the car was on the register or not, how much it was worth when repaired and how much the repair would cost!
couple of weeks in the right hands could see it on the road again though....

[adam.d]

It's not illegal, come time to sell tho and you tell a prospective buyer and they'd most likely walk away
As for safety/ strength, I watched something not so long back about cars repaired in this way and they behaved differently in a crash,IE they didn't crumple and absorb impact as well as they should as the amount of welding made them too STRONG!

[Lee Reynolds]

Originally Posted by paulg

If done properly nothing wrong at all. How do you think cars are put together in the first place?

NOT welded together in two halves

[col cos1]

makes you wonder why the guy selling it doesnt do it himself eh

[cozzymatt]

you wouldnt weld the 2 halfs together! you would 'unpick' all the individual panels you needed..

[Ginge !]

aint illigal at all...... what would you call simon norris's evo ???

its the ones that joined along the welds that are the issue,,,,,, cars repairs are generally welded together aint they pmsl

[paulg]

Originally Posted by Lee Reynolds

NOT welded together in two halves

Actually they are, well not far off, just a few sub assemblies spot welded together by robots. If people think they are lovingly seam welded by the hand of craftsman welders then your very wrong. As Adam said people are more likely to go over the top repairing them and make them too strong.

[graham c]

you,d weild it in sections its not allega 2 do but it is 2 sell

[Kirbycossie]

That ferrari would take no more welding with a mig than your average saph has had done over the years and people are happy to drive them around

[scottrs]

ehhhhh CHOP SHOP do it every week .......................lol and then pass em of to the famous

[bigjim172000]

Aslong as the joints are braced and lapped over each over, it will be fine, defo not a straight cut and shut though.

[mrjenrst]

cut and shut's HAVE NEVER been illegal and it's not illegal to sell them neither.
It is however an offence to sell a cut and shut without informing the buyer

If they are done correctly they are as safe as any other car.

[avid-fan]

Originally Posted by Ginge !

aint illigal at all...... what would you call simon norris's evo ???

its the ones that joined along the welds that are the issue,,,,,, cars repairs are generally welded together aint they pmsl

loads of old saphs have crash damage..wings hit and alike..but for the car to be on a JIG..you will know your self if the car runs true or crabs ..when you drive it .. do you not agree

[Lee Ivatt]

Originally Posted by rik-rs

yeah i knew, thought it was illegal, but just seen this for sale with spare bit...

Technically i dont think its illegal, in the case above.

As you would be grafting on a bulkhead and inner wings for repair.
How many cossies and S1 turbos do you know that havnt had some sort of inner wing grafting.

And also if you look at limmosines (sp) they are basically a cut and shut also. but are legal on the road!!

I suppose it depends alot on where the chassis number is stamped.

And more likley if the job is carried out buy a competant trained professional.

I suppose you really need to contact the dvla or vosa or someone like that to get a definate answer.

But one thing i will say is it really worth the hastle.

Those ferraris (308 correct me if im wrong?) are not worth a huge deal of money to buy anyway.

Id say (providing its legal) if you carry out the repair then only do it if your going to have no intention of selling it.

Cos i doubt you will have many buyers for a "bent cut and shut" ferrari and certainly it wont be worth anyway near as much as a "straight" one.

Have you looked into maybe buying a stripped shell (if you can find one)and the putting all the bits of this wrecked one into it?

But IMHO it will be false economy to fix this one, and will most likley work out cheaper to buy a sorted one in the first place.

[mrjenrst]

Originally Posted by avid-fan

loads of old saphs have crash damage..wings hit and alike..but for the car to be on a JIG..you will know your self if the car runs true or crabs ..when you drive it .. do you not agree

Cant see what your getting at mate

If it need's jiging or not it doesnt matter if it's done right

[Alps Pacino]

A bloke i knew used to do it and he seems to think it was perfectly fine and he does actually know what he is talking about. He said he used to take the rear off from the factory joins and reweld in exactly the same places as were used in the manufacture of the car, he also said a "cut and shut" isnt like what he does and is just basically a line of weld along the floor where it should be 1 whole sheet of metal ths making them dodgy.

Tbh after he described the process he used i agree whith him that its safe tbh

[avid-fan]

Originally Posted by mrjenrst

Cant see what your getting at mate

If it need's jiging or not it doesnt matter if it's done right

sozz i was being sarcastic..i would never drive one... EVER

[warrenpenalver]

From: http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring...le/DG_10014199

[QOUTE]Where there is evidence that two vehicles have been welded together to form one (ie 'cut and shut') a 'Q' mark will be allocated. ESVA, SVA or MSVA will be required.[/QOUTE]

Also notice this for those whove been reshelling with 2nd hand shells: From:http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring...le/DG_10014246

[QOUTE]If a second-hand chassis or monocoque bodyshell is used, the vehicle must pass a an enhanced single vehicle approval (ESVA) or single vehicle approval (SVA) test after which a "Q" prefix registration number will be allocated.[/QOUTE]

[warrenpenalver]

From: http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring...le/DG_10014199

[QOUTE]Where there is evidence that two vehicles have been welded together to form one (ie 'cut and shut') a 'Q' mark will be allocated. ESVA, SVA or MSVA will be required.[/QOUTE]

Also notice this for those whove been reshelling with 2nd hand shells: From:http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring...le/DG_10014246

[QOUTE]If a second-hand chassis or monocoque bodyshell is used, the vehicle must pass a an enhanced single vehicle approval (ESVA) or single vehicle approval (SVA) test after which a "Q" prefix registration number will be allocated.[/QOUTE]

[tabetha]

It is NOT illegal, my friend richard has been doing it over 20 years, some of his clients are coppers them selves.
All the original weld points are drilled out, then a new front or rear as needed is spot welded in exactly the same place and amount of weld as the factory job.
ALL his cars have a complete VIC check, ALL are declared as what they are, over the years some have been in serious accidents, there has been absolutely NO difference in crashes to one not done, you really can't tell if done properly unless taken to bare metal.
he makes a fantastic living doing it and general repairs he drives one himself, although he has just bought one of the MG V8 rare ones!!
His daughter drives one too.
It's only illegal to do a substandard job or do it dangerously.
tabetha

[warrenpenalver]

Originally Posted by tabetha

then a new front or rear as needed is spot welded in exactly the same place and amount of weld as the factory job.

I note you state "new". That is merely rebuilding a damaged car and NOT a cut and shut from 2 seperate vehicles.

Rebuilding one car from two seperate registered vehicles is a cut and shut and although NOT illegal if done properly, IS subject to the registration restrictions as in my link.

The issue then is deciding what is and is not cut and shut??? When does repairing a shell with second hand parts become a cut and shut?? there must be a limit somewhere. Is it 1/3rd of the shell?? half the shell????

[NORTH YORKS RS SPARES]

Originally Posted by mrjenrst

cut and shut's HAVE NEVER been illegal and it's not illegal to sell them neither.
It is however an offence to sell a cut and shut without informing the buyer

If they are done correctly they are as safe as any other car.

It isnt illegal to do a " cut and shut "
and it is only illegal not to tell the buyer ,,,,,,,,IF THEY ASK ....

Strange buy true , this is the same with a car that is on the register as a cat C or D etc , you are legaly only expected to tell the buyer IF THE ASK , otherwise you can say nothing

[alistairolsen]

dad did a couple back in the day for rallying Im sure, he couldnt really afford to buy a new mk1 escort, and with the amount of shell prep that goes into one, the cut and shut is the least of the worries. Im sure he cut the A pillars and accross the floor behind the seats, joined the shells so the roof was a complete panel, then fitted new inner and outer sills since this is where most of the strength is and then the cage, floor boxes etc. not a big deal really tbh. its dangerous when someone literally just welds two halves together with no consideration for strength tho