Mad Matt

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Now that Brom can't modify the rear beams anymore, who can do the job at good price ? Brom had to make me a new beam with new arms, all adjustable, for less than 900£ grand with new parts.

I have seen Adrenaline Race & Performance are doing the job too, but not less than 1 grand, on an exchange basis with my old beam, and no new arms.

Anyone knows another man doing the job at lower price ? Have the choice for a real group A rear beam with mag arms and flanges, but that's 1500£, so finally not far away from 1200£ (adrenaline beam with new parts).

GARETH T

ahmed?

Mad Matt

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Have you got any prices/pics, Gareth ?

GARETH T

i havent sorry dude,,, get in contact with Mike R as im sure he can sort you out

CliffRS4

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How long is the wait for an Ahmed beam though

Mad Matt

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Looks nice. Is it possible to have a strapped version "solid mounted" like Brom was doing ? And most important, at which price with new parts (not on an exchange basis or old parts) ?

Nash

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Ahmed will only mod your own beam. The price is £1k all in i think, I sure Dave can confirm this.

Mad Matt

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Well I am starting to consider group A rear suspension now. 1k£ just for a beam. I know it is some work and developpement, but still.

Nash

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Xen A proper Grp A beam is only 9 Degree's. That is not optimum as they had to work within the rules or so i am told. The beams Ahmed and Danny do are 6 Degree's which is better, thats how i understand it anyway.

Theres a Massive thread about it in here if you have a look about.

Micky The Finn

£1500 for the real deal,this is a no brainer!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mad Matt

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Should I have read that the group A setup would be better than the standard-modified-6°-setup or?

andrewg

two on ebay for sale ahmed type or adreniline

Micky The Finn

another option.

Mad Matt

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Found the adrenaline one, but not the ahmed one.

Could do it, but would be "too much". Compared to modified standards beams, do you think the group A would be better ? Nash doesn't seems to agree with that, but personally I don't know.

Micky The Finn

i would only ever use a group A beam or a wrc cradle with links,heard to many horror stories to risk anything else,but then i dont just go on road and do trackdays so my uses are abit more intense.

Mad Matt

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You have PM. Btw would this be good ?

bbspolo

Cosworth Rallyesport so is ur type a excate copy of a wrc multi link! or is it somthing u have developed? Also whats the cost involved for the kit and fitting (if its not a direct replacement which im sure its not!)

Mad Matt

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Here is another WRC rear cradle :



But this doesn't answer me if the group A rear end is better than a modified-standard rear beam/arms.

sfhsport

here's another copy of a wrc cradle which takes the 7.5" diff and didnt cost thousands of £s. much easier to set up than a group a rear beam aswell.

Mad Matt

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Yes but then you have to look for all the arms and arm connection on the hubs. At the end it will cost more than a group A setup. Will have an even better adjustement, but unsure of the difference on the performance side.

Mad Matt

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No more feedback from the group a cars drivers/users ?

Mike Rainbird

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You have already been told by Ryan . The Grp A rear beams are only 9°, whereas the Ahmed / Adrenaline ones are better, due to not being constrained by rules, so have been built to the 6° optimum. The Ahmed one is £1k exhange and can be bought through me . Please be aware that the Ahmed one is fully adjustable for camber AND toe, whereas I believe the base Adrenaline version ONLY does camber. Therefore make sure that you are always buying like for like when comparing prices .

foreigneRS

i have never understood why people spend so much money on modifying a shit rear beam into a slightly less shit rear beam

if the cradle and double wishbones had been developed years ago they would not cost much by now

Micky The Finn

better my arse!!!

Micky The Finn

jb fletch

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You not agree then ?

Porkie

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You can say the same about the whole Car though can't you?

We spend grillions on making shit cars slightly less shit!

GARETH T

lol at lee

foreigneRS

sort of

but if you're spending that much on changing something, change it for the best.

Twellsie

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Not sure if you are right there Mike, Adrenaline do 3 different stages
http://www.adrenaline-race.com/forum...opic.php?t=530

Mike Rainbird

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Well considering Charlie has the base version of the Adrenaline beam fitted, and they only adjust the camber, I think I am right . You do know what I mean by the base version don't you? As in the cheapest version that he does - the "base model" .

Twellsie

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but why are we considering the base one? when stg 2 is £850 +VAT

jb fletch

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For Mike

maxrs16

does anybody no what hub carriers you would use withe the diff cradle setup

Mad Matt

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Ok, but AGAIN what about the group A setup which is between the tubular system (aka WRC-setup) and the standard modified one ? I got Mike and Nash answers and it seems that half the people here does prefer standard-modified beams while on the other side, there is the group a / wrc guys. I try :

Modified standard beam (Ahmed, adrenaline, ...)

+ Better 9° setup than group A setup (is it really right on a rally stage or how bad is the difference ?)
+ Less expensive
+ More spare parts
+ No need to use extra special parts to have the rear end of the car fixed

Group A

+ Stronger than the standard one setup
+ Lighter
+ Was build for rally instead of the standard beam so must be better at the end

- Comming hard to find the parts
- 6° (unsure, if it is still a - hard - disadvantage ?)

WRC setup

+ Fully adjustable
+ Stronger than all previous systems
+ Easier to change the wishbones when you have one cracked
+ Lastest evolution in the rear end of the Cossie cars

- Most expensive system, even if doing the arms would be quite "simple" like using tubes with some work to each end of it
- Not easy to find, but could be "home-made" (unsure of the final result tho)

Feel free to comment/modify that small review of the different setup. I still don't know if I should go for a standard-modified rear beam (which I red there can have more adjustement than a group A item) or a group A rear beam which has been proven to be a real advantage over the standard one (used on rallies, so can't be bad). Won't go for the WRC type rear cradle for some reasons.

Mike Rainbird

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Are you (and that lanky streak of piss ) REALLY that stupid?

The point I was making is that don't go comparing the Stage 1 version of the Adrenaline beam with the £1k Ahmed one, and thinking that there was a huge price disparity with the two, when Ahmed's one should only be compared with the Stage 2 Adrenaline version, as Ahmed does only one version and that is fully adjustable .

buzznwood

The WRC cars just used the gravel spec front hubs, which look pretty much just like the sierra group a front hubs, they of course had a different steering arm bolted onto the bottom 9097070 (RH) & 9097071 (LH)

Without going down the 909 part route the only options that spring to mind would be to do the same as the rs2000 4x4 / mondeo 4x4 these have the same lower 3 link setup, the only difference being the angle of the tie rods. The hubs used on the rs2000 where just the front hubs of a mk3 fiesta, not sure on the mondeo but it shouldn't be to hard to find out the fins number for the part and see if it unique to the mondeo 4x4 or shared with another car.

jb fletch

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For Me

foreigneRS

my opinion on it is why limit yourself to something that was used on a competition car that had to adhere to certain regulations when you have the freedom (for probably not much different money) to go for something much better and fully adjustable?

while you're at it, make it use a better diff