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Old 15-07-2007, 10:18 PM   #1
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Anyone done this on here? Been informed of a company called Bogg Brothers which can supply me with all the bits i need? Anyone delt with them? If so are they a good company? Would this be a better setup than Twin 45's? Will be going on an 1800 Zetec in my MK2 XR2
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Old 16-07-2007, 09:01 AM   #2
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Check here mate, Squiz has just put R1 carbs on his 16v zetec!

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a amte of mine used Bogg bros for a manifold to put bike carbs on his XE... he was waiting ages for it to be made.
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Ive been thinking of fitting bike bodies to my 2.0 Zetec aswell. Anyone know what the best size to go for is. Ive seen 38mm upto 45mm ones??

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depends on the spec of the rest of the engine...

on a standard zetec, 45 would be fine for carbs, so i would expect TBs to be a little smaller then that.

iirc, 45mm tbs are equivalent to 48/50 carbs.
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depends on the spec of the rest of the engine...

on a standard zetec, 45 would be fine for carbs, so i would expect TBs to be a little smaller then that.

iirc, 45mm tbs are equivalent to 48/50 carbs.
Mine is high comp, RaceLine flowed head and cams to match, pectel T2 , uprated valve springs and ARP rod bolts.

I ve seen some R1 throttle bodies local to me , think they are only 38mm though. Will i need bigger then? What is the advantages/disadvantage of running bigger or smaller?

Im going to enclose them as space is a premium in a fiesta and without a scoop i dont think they will get adequate flow to them. Plus i would like to retain my BMC carbon filter thats fed from the fog light.
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Here is Squizs one.... R1 carbs!

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Here is Squizs one.... R1 carbs!

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That looks good, whats is his spec? what sorta power is he getting?
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The pic of the bike carbs above is using the conversion plate i designed to be able to fit any type of carb, throttles, etc.. to a Zetec Head.

The conversion using bike carbs has been done many time before. If you look at my site their are a few members running them
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IIRC you can use an st170 inlet manifold and a particular type of suzuki carbs will slide straight on with rubber coupling pipes (the carbs have the same centres as the inlet manifold)
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The pic of the bike carbs above is using the conversion plate i designed to be able to fit any type of carb, throttles, etc.. to a Zetec Head.

The conversion using bike carbs has been done many time before. If you look at my site their are a few members running them
How much do you sell them for mate?
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I've done a couple of bike carb conversions so far.

Bear in mind that a CV bike carb that has a bore of 38 mm will be 38mm at is narrowest point.

A set of 45s will typically have 36 or 38 mm chokes in so will actually only be 36 / 38 mm at its narrowest point.

Bike CVs drive really well compared to 45s. They are easier to set up and there is much less bogging when you put your foot down due to the CV design.
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6 week waiting list no good to me, anybody know of anywhere else which does it in kit form, with the carbs supplied?
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I've done a couple of bike carb conversions so far.

Bear in mind that a CV bike carb that has a bore of 38 mm will be 38mm at is narrowest point.

A set of 45s will typically have 36 or 38 mm chokes in so will actually only be 36 / 38 mm at its narrowest point.

Bike CVs drive really well compared to 45s. They are easier to set up and there is much less bogging when you put your foot down due to the CV design.
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How much might it cost to get you to do a set on a certain car I'm interested in?
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I might have these for sale if you are interested, GSXR 750 tb's on an ST170 inlet.
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What about fueling on bike carbs?, As fueling for 600 / 1000cc is a big jump to say 2000cc.

I currently have a set of 600cc bike carbs and some dellorto DHLM 40's and i don't know what to choose , These are to go on a 2l zetec

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I might have these for sale if you are interested, GSXR 750 tb's on an ST170 inlet.
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If they will fit my 1800 zetec and they are pretty much ready to rock.. im interested. Drop me an email fhtocca@ntlworld.com
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you wont get alot more power from a zetec swop than from putting bike carbs on your cvh, mines made 148 bhp atfw on standard internals, boggys does a top job by the way, worth waiting for
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Boggy"s is just up the road from me

Great family

Dave bogg has been tuning cars longer than i have been on this planet , and is still doing the business today ,
People travel from all over the country to get the Boggs to tune / build / there cars

I was up at there workshops the other week and Dave showed me loads of cars they had in that had the bike carb conversion done . and even showed me one on the rollers and i was just amazed how responsive the car was ( ford anglia with a zetec engine on bike carbs )

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What about fueling on bike carbs?, As fueling for 600 / 1000cc is a big jump to say 2000cc.

I currently have a set of 600cc bike carbs and some dellorto DHLM 40's and i don't know what to choose , These are to go on a 2l zetec

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You have got to remember a bikes engine is say half the size but does rev twice as hard
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What about fueling on bike carbs?, As fueling for 600 / 1000cc is a big jump to say 2000cc.

I currently have a set of 600cc bike carbs and some dellorto DHLM 40's and i don't know what to choose , These are to go on a 2l zetec

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The amount of fuel required is more closely related to power produced than engine size.

It is easy to re jet the cv carbs to suit a car aplication.
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i love the though of laser cutting an intake manifold and slipping sleeves of blue samco's over, with some nice R1's.
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What about fueling on bike carbs?, As fueling for 600 / 1000cc is a big jump to say 2000cc.

I currently have a set of 600cc bike carbs and some dellorto DHLM 40's and i don't know what to choose , These are to go on a 2l zetec

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The amount of fuel required is more closely related to power produced than engine size.

It is easy to re jet the cv carbs to suit a car aplication.
Is this a case of buying new jets or moving the needles up and richening the mixture screws?

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If you are fitting bike carbs to a ZETEC you are going to need engine management so you might as well fit bike TBs. Sure the ECU will cost a bit more but you will make it back with fuel saving. The extra response and bhp will put a smile on your face too.
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You can buy a ignition only megajolt ecu for £100 ish.

Perfect for running with bike carbs.

Bike TBs are becoming quite expensive these days.
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You can buy a ignition only megajolt ecu for £100 ish.

Perfect for running with bike carbs.

Bike TBs are becoming quite expensive these days.
Thats exactly what I have bought, megajolt lite junior map sensor version using ford EDIS 4 ignition system

Still unsure as to which will be better bike carbs or dellorto dhlm 40's

Were are the jets available from for bike carbs and how do use choose what size to go for?

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im with north yorks rs spares, boggs bro did a great job on the inlet for my bikebodies also supplied the throttle bodies too, im using gsxr 1300 hayabusa throlle bodies which are 42mm on a 1600 zetec se engine

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im with north yorks rs spares, boggs bro did a great job on the inlet for my bikebodies also supplied the throttle bodies too, im using gsxr 1300 hayabusa throlle bodies which are 42mm on a 1600 zetec se engine
Why 42mm? They are too big! I would not even use 42mm on a 200 bhp 2.0ltr.
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