john v

Just wondering if anyone knows if an 89 flint grey 2wd would of originally come with amber rear lights, mines got the later smoked rear lamps but I personally prefer the ambers, I've put amber front indicators and side Repeaters on it and I love the look of them,
Any help or opinions will be greatly appreciated,

Twins

iTrader: (18)

All 2wd would have had amber rear lights from factory

jamie's

2wd's all had ambers as standard, and 4x4's had the smoked lights
But most 2wd's all had the smoked lights retro fitted to update the look when the 4x4's came out
But now they're mostly all going back to the ambers, even a lot of 4x4's are converting to ambers

john v

Thanks guys, I'm assuming that the black number plate surrounding should go as well then,
I best be looking for a good second hand pair now, I much prefer the ambers but didn't want to change them if they wasn't right for the car, I'm happy about that,
Thanks again

Adam-M

Can't believe people fitted the smoked lights for all those years they look horrid, especially with the black number plate panel it makes the back lights look single peice like a NY taxi, plus the headlights are massive as it is without making them looking even bigger with clear indicators.

Ambers are much better.

john v

Ny taxi, lol, they do though,
I suppose if people are changing them back to ambers the price of them are gonna sky rocket, the days of Ł20 a pair are long gone.

martysmartie

iTrader: (1)

This is incorrect, late 2WD's had smoked lights, although I should think OP's have been changed.

I have the number plate surround as well.

Martin

john v

I think I'm gonna get some ambers as I prefer them, I'll have to make a decision whether to keep the number plate surround and see how it looks when they're fitted,
Thanks for all your opinions, much appreciated.

peteh

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Trouble is people fitting the number plate holders drilled the rear panel ��

Haven't a clue how to get rid of the hole yet ��

Jules44

I managed to get some plastic grommets, sprayed them body colour doesnt look to bad to be honest

Ade

No they didn't. All the 1990 facelift changes happened at once on all Sierras.

cossynut2

There is no right or wrong on this, its just personal preference. I have gone back to amber front indicators but prefer to keep the smoked rears and the number plate surround.

martysmartie

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The guy said all 2WD's have ambers, which is what I was referring to.

A 90 2WD would have smoked lights. Mine has, along with the number plate surround, there are other minor differences as well such as speakers.

Martin

Ade

A 1990 registered 2WD would have ambers, and be identical to an '89 2WD.
The '1990 facelift' included all the 4x4 changes. There is no overlap with smoked lights being used on 2WD cars etc.

ajamesc

I remember when I first got my saff about 14 years ago and everyone said when you putting a 4x4 bonnet on and lights. I said back then I'm not I like it better like this so glade I didn't now. Mines an 89 G

Ridgey

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That's my belief as well.


My 1990 2wd had ambers from factory, but when I bought it had smoked.


You have to remember late 2wd's probably had their light changed AS SOON as the 4x4 was out (could have been within weeks!!!), to make them look like the latest release of the car.

martysmartie

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There is defiantly another revision, pre the 90 one you mention, which had different fuel cap, 'hooded' dash etc.

The changes includes the instrument cluster, different speakers (mine are square, prior to this they were round) and two of them were removed, as well as other things, mine has the number plate surround and the lights are marked security marked, so I believe it to be original.

Martin

Ade

Yep, I bet even dealers could have been guilty of it too. Quite likely they would do such as easy update to shift old stock.

The 'hooded dash' was a later update again.

Adam-M

Think the hooded dash came in late 91.

I'd be digging deep if a 2wd had a hooded dash, smooth fuel cap and number plate panel bolted on and the holes where slotted like factory rather than just round like someone's drilled them themselves.

martysmartie

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Not the hooded dash, but the revisions I stated.

We have a 89 model that has been in the family from new and that has the differences I mention.

With this in mind, it's obvious there was a change, which incidentally I questioned on here and others replied saying that a small number were 'smoked' from the factory.

Martin

cossynut2

Why has this thread become a such a big deal on whether your 2wd Saff has the "correct front and rear indicator lenses fitted" ? Is it so important? Some people prefer front and rear ambers others do not, end of. As I said there is no right or wrong, have what ever you are happy with.

john v

Well I've got some ambers on the way for the rear as personally I think they will stand out better against the grey, and they're the correct ones for the year. Lol.
I'm taking the car to get set up on the rollers on Wednesday as I've done a few upgrades to it so looking forward to that,
I'll keep you all updated if anyone's interested,

Thanks for all the info and opinions

martysmartie

iTrader: (1)

It isn't, it's an intellectual discussion

Martin

Cos500

Someone drilled my back panel back in the day so I guess my smoked are staying

lesley7

whats a hooded dash im with the ambers on the front and side reps 4x4 bonett 87 e reg 2wd saph just done hydrolic clutch conversion cant wait to start driving it again

cossynut2

Nothing wrong with that,I prefer them to the amber rears but everyone has there own preference.

cossynut2

You will notice a big improvement in how your clutch operation will feel now you have had the hydraulic conversion done.

Cos500

They don't look as dated for sure, time will tell on mine, been off the road must be 10 years now so I'll worry about that later when it's back on.

lesley7

it feels smooth i wish i used a slightly bigger master cylinder its light but i thought it could of been slightly lighter thats the prob having a new daily driver

Adam-M

Do you just tow yours to the ring and back mate?

cossynut2

Even with the hydraulic clutch conversion it will never feel as light as your new daily driver but dont forget you probably have a clutch which is designed to take a lot more horsepower as well.I have a Helix 6 paddle clutch on mine which can handle 450bhp but when I get back into my Renault Laguna 2.0 estate the clutch feels like its got no resistance at all!
I am still very happy with it compared to what is was like with the cable operation.

Cos500

This ones not been yet, usually take something else but it's meant to be ready for 2017, we'll see

Adam-M

Have you been in a cossie before mate? I'm planning on taking mines there next year too.

Cos500

Yes took the RS500 and my my last sapph, if you've not been before take it easy and if wet or damp take some spare pants.
dont know if mine will be ready, have a way to go yet but still aiming for the ring in July

Adam-M

Nice one, yeah been before and was wet one of the days and there was three crashes on one of my laps lol.

Sent you a PM

Cos500

Replied mate

AndyPen

iTrader: (24)

Just to pick up, I have an 89 G plate that was used in Ford PR. It came with smoked lights and in the paperwork was the info for fitting them. I've put new ambers back in and used number plate plastic bolts to temporarily blank the holes for the number plate mount.

I put it through its first MOT and have all the paperwork, I guess the smoked fit was from Ford or the dealership.

martysmartie

iTrader: (1)

Exactly, it's the same with mine, as I can tell that they have not been fitted retrospectively.

How is yours and the 500?

Martin