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Old 16-04-2015, 09:43 PM
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Default Max BHP on a 60mm I/C

What's the max bhp you would expect to run on a 60mm thick 500 style intercooler.
Old 16-04-2015, 11:16 PM
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Depends on what core is used.
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Different turbos produce different amounts of heat, a T34 flat out will be much hotter than a T4 running low boost so the amount of bhp the intercooler could support would be quite different, the way the engine is mapped would cause the same i.e. amount of boost etc....the core is key too plus restrictions in air flow to the cooler and through the pipework.

People will have run over 600 bhp through them but the intake temps might be high and therefore more boost may be needed for the power which adds more heat etc.

I believe a lot of people think the smaller spec R or other garret cored coolers are the best.
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I have a AS 60mm I/C i belive these are bar type construction, currently runnig t34 .48 @ 30psi, next step was to move up to a T38/gt30 for mid to late 400 bhp.

To chage the cooler in my car is not realy practical would require alot of modification not something i wanted to do.
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You'll probably be giving your intercooler an easier time of it with a GT30.

What is the spec of the rest of the engine?
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Its a decreasing amount based on outside temp and type of set up, But for me in the real world 330hp after that its a waste of money and effort if you are running anything about that,
It has alwaysed amazed me people spend 10k on a 500hp set up and kill it by running a £300 intercooler.

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Originally Posted by Mark Shead
Its a decreasing amount based on outside temp and type of set up, But for me in the real world 330hp after that its a waste of money and effort if you are running anything about that,
It has alwaysed amazed me people spend 10k on a 500hp set up and kill it by running a £300 intercooler.

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Solution = Spec r? Problem is people have been waiting months for supply. Can you get them Prioritised?
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Originally Posted by Mark Shead
Its a decreasing amount based on outside temp and type of set up, But for me in the real world 330hp after that its a waste of money and effort if you are running anything about that,
It has alwaysed amazed me people spend 10k on a 500hp set up and kill it by running a £300 intercooler.

Mark

Its not about the money its the practicability of fitting something different in the car as it was built around this inter cooler, If I really had to it could be changed but this would require cutting and welding on new mounts re mounting the rad etc. and re painting it all something I would like to avoid if I could.


just trying to get a rough Idea of what's needed when moving up to the next stage of tune, currently running a t34 .48 pretty flat out so when it go's pop I would like to take it up to the mid 400 mark.
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I was lucky I got my spec-r cooler second hand with the turbo cooler and spec-r dump valve for 800 and it had done hardly any miles. Really nice bit of kit but was a Fooker to fit lol had to make some brackets up as well to mount my rad after
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Originally Posted by jamie956
Its not about the money its the practicability of fitting something different in the car as it was built around this inter cooler, If I really had to it could be changed but this would require cutting and welding on new mounts re mounting the rad etc. and re painting it all something I would like to avoid if I could.


just trying to get a rough Idea of what's needed when moving up to the next stage of tune, currently running a t34 .48 pretty flat out so when it go's pop I would like to take it up to the mid 400 mark.
What car is it.

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Originally Posted by Mark Shead
What car is it.

Mark


Mk 2 Cortina


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Originally Posted by jamie956
Mk 2 Cortina



That is cool,You need to make sure all of the cooler is in the flow if it is you may find it works well,
Can you get anyone to test intake temp.

Mark
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as you can see the IC gets quite good air flow through the grill and the three holes in the front panel, I have also dammed around the sides and bottom so the flow can only go through the IC.


Where would you recommend taking the inlet temp, in the inlet manifold?


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Originally Posted by jamie956
as you can see the IC gets quite good air flow through the grill and the three holes in the front panel, I have also dammed around the sides and bottom so the flow can only go through the IC.


Where would you recommend taking the inlet temp, in the inlet manifold?


Outlet of intercooler.

Mark
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I run a airtec in my saff at around 370 bhp on a t34/48 with intake temps about 26 degrees that was on tuesday running 30psi.

My mk3 cortina was running a 4x4.cossie cooler due to space restrictions at around 360 on greys with no noticeable high act's as seen on the secs monitor.

Tbh what u have will be fine and as Mark's suggested make sure the air flow goes thru cooler.and not around the sides.

Paul
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Originally Posted by costina
I run a airtec in my saff at around 370 bhp on a t34/48 with intake temps about 26 degrees that was on tuesday running 30psi.

My mk3 cortina was running a 4x4.cossie cooler due to space restrictions at around 360 on greys with no noticeable high act's as seen on the secs monitor.

Tbh what u have will be fine and as Mark's suggested make sure the air flow goes thru cooler.and not around the sides.

Paul


Cooler is boxed in down the sides so air can only go through it, running similar hp to your saff so would expect inlet temps to be similar.
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Amazing looking mk2. Who did the tubular front end, Alan Dent?
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Originally Posted by jonfoc
Amazing looking mk2. Who did the tubular front end, Alan Dent?


Yep, its tied through into the cage think he's done a few cars like this now,
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Originally Posted by jamie956
Mk 2 Cortina





Nice car mate, proper nice
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Originally Posted by jamie956
I have a AS 60mm I/C i belive these are bar type construction, currently runnig t34 .48 @ 30psi, next step was to move up to a T38/gt30 for mid to late 400 bhp.

To chage the cooler in my car is not realy practical would require alot of modification not something i wanted to do.
have you ever measured boost at the turbo end?
efficiency aside, if the cooler core is restrictive, you'd most likely find your turbo is actually pushing much more than 30psi and throwing hotter air into the cooler than it would if you had a less restrictive I/C.

a more efficient, less restrictive I/C will give you more power and allow you not to push the turbo harder than it needs to.
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