cossynut2

There was quite a lot of opinions recently about a 2wd Sapphire Cosworth advertised on E-bay being overpriced. What is the difference between a good ,well specced 3 door that nobody thinks is overpriced at £12- 16k and a Sapphire with all the same engine ,suspension,brakes,wheels plus rust free immaculate bodywork? In my opinion GOOD Sapphire Cosworths are worth a lot more than they are getting,
What other 4 door saloon which when properly modified and looked after that ( talking about mine) has the same performance as a new twin-turbo Porsche can you buy for £6- iok? Mine has an agreed value for Insurance of £18k which is still less than it would cost to buy another one and modify it up to what it is now!
There are fewer and fewer GOOD ones left and the value of them must surely start to rise?

Glenn_

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Any pics of yours matey.

cossynut2

Hi Glen I do have some great photos but I do not seem to be able to upload them. Any idea why?

Staffi

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Send me the pics to my email buddy, I'll up load them for you.

I'll PM you my address

Pete

Staffi

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Here you go Richard, engine bay looks so lovely, what's the Spec of the car??

Glenn_

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Wow its nice that. Whats the spec of the engine.

3FRD

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Yours looks lovely.

I think nice saffs should demand 8/9k, loads of dreamers advertising there dogs on ebay for top money because they seen a minter for sale at the same money. If its the moonstone one you are talking about it isnt near anything near that, few rusty bits in the pics and the front end isn't even the same colour.

I think 3 doors will always demand more money than a saff. Just my opinion of course.

Staffi

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Sapphs will never be 3dr money I'm afraid, one conciliation is it's the best driving Cossie, fact . Well the 2WD is

G200 WLP

That's stunning mate not many sets of those wheels anymore

Cossie.jack

Thats gorgeous mate!

cossynut2

200 wire rung block, balanced bottom end, competition bearings,uprated oil pump, low comp pocketed Mahle pistons, BD 10 & 12 cams, group A spec cylinder head, 83lb Siemens injectors, T38 turbo with billet compressor wheel and turbo damper,group A spec air box ,L8 ECU ,wasted spark ignition, new engine bay Bespoke loom,new 044 fuel pump and loom,3bar map sensor, A&S hart style polished alloy plenum, pre-turbo cooler,RS500 intercooler, high flow alloy radiator, hydraulic clutch conversion , 6 addle clutch and lightened flywheel. Malcolm and Richard at Tremona garage in Southampton have looked after the car for the last 20 years I have owned it.
It was recently set-up at Motorsports Developments in Blackpool and it goes like a rocket!! I had a go with a 2013 twin turbo 520bhp Porsche and he was flat out from about 50mph up to about 150mph and I was on his tail all the way!! That is a benchmark of how well it goes as far as i am concerned!!

Cosworth Lad

now that is a nice saph well done mate looks lovely this,

costina

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Amen and they will end up the rarest due to the fact they get robbed of engines for everything else.

Ford built millons of cortinas but when did you last see one on the road

cossynut2

You have a good point, most Cosworth engined projects are from either written off or rusted out Sapphires. As I said there are fewer and fewer GOOD ones left. I hate it when I see the dog rough ones selling for peanuts! They must start to increase in value soon for ones like mine.

Cossie.jack

Pretty nippy then. How much bhp and torque are you knocking out mate?

ajamesc

3dr snobbery that's the difference lol plus most of these 12 grand 3drs you see for sale don't seem too sell there on eBay for ever! Saffs will have there time and even more so rwd ones

Rod-Tarry

Rather a blanket statement . Name a 3door valued by the RSOC at 35k. RS500's I except.

Staffi

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Rod, values and what a car really sells at are two different things, i wouldn't give you 35k for your car , not a dig i just wouldn't , I'd buy a Porsche even if yours would eat most cars outhere

R5FORD

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My 3 dr is valued at 45k

rog

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Always going to be arguements about this, it's pretty pointless really as it's not something you can really influence, it is what it is.

Saphs will obviously go up in value, that's a no brainer really. just the same if i have a 1L metro with 500 miles on the clock, it would be worth more now than it would be 10 years ago. That's not even taking into account the indirect effect inflation has as well.

Insurance valuations are largely BS and not applicablein terms of resale value IMO.

KSA-Cossie

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More or less the same spec as mine mate, absolutely top drawer saph btw.

charlie luciano

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Pucker looking car fella I love a saph they have stood the test of time with regards to looks IMO

So many times I see a decent well speced sapphire with asking price around 10-12 grand and people comment things like 'it's only a sapphire' etc etc

Try buying one and starting from scratch to get to 500+ horse with all the right bits, it would cost 3x 10 grand

Luciano

cossynut2

I agree with you on the 3 door snobbery, one that has an engine bay etc like mine would be making silly money! For me though it is just personal preference, the 3 door has never been of interest to me, I think a low Sapphire with decent wheels and big brakes looks so mean! After 20 years of owning mine I still get a buzz every time I drive it and it always attracts lots of admiration wherever I take it.

ginner

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Agree 100%
If mine was for sale it would be up 12/13k

opposite lock

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That is mint .

martysmartie

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Not now, however the fact is they were more expensive when new, which obviously says a lot, it's just because the 3DR is the rarer car and the 'original'.

That said if Saphs keep getting broken at the rate they are, this will only increase the value of the remainders.

Martin

Staffi

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Totally agree Martin, i never said they wouldn't rise in value, just not to 3dr levels, ( imo). i may be wrong and i hope i am because I'll be quids in

Mines only a 4 owner car with 33k on and not a bit of rot/ rust anywhere oh and 2WD

martysmartie

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Quite agree, 3DR will always be worth more.

Mine is a tidy example, although has a slightly more owners than yours (20+) , unwelded examples like yours command good values.

Martin

jason_nike

No snobbery from me, I like Sapphire Cosworths just as much as 3 Door Cosworths.
Not had an Escort Cosworth yet, one day tho.
"Cosworth" as a hobby has highs and lows, but values are steady for all.
500s rise in value, then 3 Doors, then 2wd Sapphires, then 4wd Sapphires, all pull each other up value wise. Escorts ride somewhere within steadily.
More that get broken keep others on the road, hence values increase.
At least we all share the same "passion".

Paul_RS

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Escorts are shit driving things compared to any Sierra.

If I ever decide to sell my car and it's the spec it is now I'd want well over £15K. It either sells for that or it gets put to a more standard spec and I'll sell it for a less.

costina

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Jason been here before eh mate

Paul

cossynut2

Wow!! that is a big price , is it a mint low mileage RS500?

johnnycortina

Like this car a lot. What wheels are those - very smart.

cossynut2

Hi , the wheels are 17 inch OZ racing. I have never seen another Sapphire Cosworth with the same wheels. I was told they were not usually made to fit my car but I love them!

jason_nike

LOL.
Indeed mate

Cossy Mike

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I realistically value mine (when it's complete) at £12k but not worth a penny over £10k in hard cash......