jimhc

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What upgrade is there for 2wd saff antirollbar is the 4x4 better or anything else?

joffy

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not always better but im pretty sure the escort one is thicker than the 4x4 one

Mike1

Rear bars - the 2wd Sapphire is 16mm, 4x4 Sapphire is 18mm (approx 1.6 x stiffer ), Escos 22mm ( approx 3.5 times stiffer ). All will go on a Saff using the appropriate sized bushes

Front bars 2wd Sapphire ( H14 ) gives you a degree more caster than early 3-door ( H13 ) bar. Don't know of any other options for front other than a bladed set up or a custom made one

Marc sierra

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For the rear there is also a 20 mm available (bug eye Scorpio) and a 21 mm (bug eye Scorpio 24v).

The front arb from a Scorpio 24v (not bug eye) is 29 mm thick (cossie is 28mm) and fits a Sierra. It's only a bit wider than the normal Sierra arb, so you will need a ratchet strap to get the tcas back in.

Mike1

Good call Mark - do the bugeye Scorpio rear ones fit OK - someone mentioned once they're a slightly different shape and foul something? I don't know if that is true though?

Marc sierra

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I think they are the same shape. I have both a sapph 4x4 and bug eye 24v rear arb in the garage, I will check it tomorrow.

Marc sierra

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Here's a pic of the 2 arbs. The lower one is the sapph 4x4, the upper one is the Scorpio 24v. The Scorpio 24v arb runs a bit wider around the diff, but apart from that they are the same. I think you shouldn't have a problem fitting it to a Sierra.

JamesH

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I have an Escos one if needed

Mike1

Just picked up a rear ARB off a Scorpio 24v for not much cash. Just waiting to get it offered up under the car and some poly bushes to see what difference it makes.

Currently running the 22mm Escos rear bar but I've also tried the stock 16mm and the 4x4 18mm one. This Scorpio one is exactly 20mm diameter according to the verniers

Ill keep you posted

jimhc

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did you notice a diffrence using th escos rear bar if so is it a big diffrence

Mike1

Hi Jim

The standard 2wd Sapphire rwd rear arb is 16mm diameter.

The Escort Cosworth one is 22mm diameter and is 3.57 times as stiff as the 16mm one so I think you would notice it all else being equal.

I read that Mike Rainbird had one and recommended it so I thought I'd try it. I certainly noticed the difference on mine immediately. It feels very stiff at the back as you turn in and it seems to make the car feel much "pointier" although it did 'seem' as though the car was trying to skip over bumpy sections mid-corner.

Tony Mannock from Turbosystems suggested an 18mm ( 1.6 times stiffer than standard ) rear bar off the 4x4 Sapphire was a better option on the 2wd Sapphire if you are not intending JUST dry use.

This 20mm one ( Scorpio Ultima 24v rear bar ) is approx 2.44 times as stiff as the standard 16mm so I'm hoping it will be a good halfway house for the bumpier roads round here.
Just waiting for new bushes and then I'll fit it and let you know
The 20mm ones are cheaper and easier to get hold of compared to Escort Cossie 22mm ones in my experience

Cheers

Turbosystems

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what's an anti roll bap is this something new from the Subway menu

Mike1

An anti roll bap stops 'rolls' in your car Tony

It's 'sandwiched' between two drop links and some clamps

BRAMMER

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So which is the best compromise for a road going 3dr to upgrade to?

Sonic Boom

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I've gone straight to the Escos 22mm rear ARB on my 3 Door I think it feels great but I do have a stage 2 rear beam too.
Rich

Mike1

I'd agree with that - I think if you use the car predominantly on quite smooth roads/tracks you'll be OK with the Escos bar.

It's only because I like trying different set-ups and the roads can be quite bumpy/broken-surfaced round here that I'm trying the 20mm Ultima bar

BRAMMER

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Been having a look at my ARB today and can't work out what is needed to fit a different one to a 3dr? help and advice needed please

robrs2

Have a look
http://www.fordpower.org.uk/forum2/i...ic,1012.0.html

BRAMMER

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Login required ^^^^

Sonic Boom

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I just cut the mounting points out of a scrap sapp and welded them in place.
Rich

BRAMMER

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I've not seen a sapphire Rich but looking at mine how it fits to the underside floor - do you have a pic of how a sapphire one fits

Cheers

Sonic Boom

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I don't have a photo mate but I can take one tomorrow for you to give you an idea.
Rich