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Old 31-01-2012, 09:17 PM
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Default Granada front hubs same as 3dr cossie ones

as in title would anyone know if they are as my 3dr hubs are buggered

thing is i dont have them with me atm to compare,but they do look very similar,they have abs holes & the same tca mounts

i may be way off but like i say would anyone know the answer as it would realy help

anyway ta
Old 31-01-2012, 09:21 PM
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i dont think they are mate, 3 door hubs are unique to the 3 door something to do with the positioning of the pivot points and tca mounting giving sharper turn in,
plus arnt grandada hubs 5 stud also
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Originally Posted by botters
i dont think they are mate, 3 door hubs are unique to the 3 door something to do with the positioning of the pivot points and tca mounting giving sharper turn in,
plus arnt grandada hubs 5 stud also

ahh bugger,yes they 5 stud but that not an issue atm as gonna be converted to 5 stud in the future

best keep searching for a near side hub....
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They're def different mate, however the later scorpio ones are 4 bolt.
I think they take the fatter 4x4 strut dia, not the smaller 3dr size.
The 3dr brakes and discs all fit up fine, but as Botters noted, the pick up points are slightly different.
I have a set of scorpio ones and look like I will have to replace my 3dr hubs with them (gp A bilsteins going on) but with comp struts and adj top mounts I'm hoping (fingers crossed) I can compensate for the geometry change..
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They certainly will be different, in addition to the stud's, they were also homologated and have a different castor, they are commonly used as upgrades on Saphs, which of course are different as well.

The way to tell the difference between Saph and 3DR, is it has a "castle nut", where as the Saph for example has a "pinch bolt".

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Old 07-02-2012, 04:44 PM
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Cheers for replies chaps

Fortunately the man Special K has sorted it so I can stop worrying,Lol
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Just for a note. Early Granada Scorpio are the same as 3 door ones. But you need to check the bearing size as there are two sizes.
Late Granada Scorpio are the same as 2wd saff.
Both are 5 stud though.
4 stud Scorpio 24v ones are different. Wider track and larger strut hole, there larger than the 4x4 struts.
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Any chance that somone could post a pic of a 3door Cos. and a Saph. Cos hub so that you can see the differences ..... "castle nut"/"pinch bolt" .... and TCA picup point and so on ?
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This is the photo of a 4x4 hub. The tca mounting is the same as the 2wd saff, pinch bolt type. Its a parallel hole slotted with a bolt that crosses to nip the tca ball joint end.

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Originally Posted by robrs2

Thanks ... .. just the pic I needed
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Top info there Rob.
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Originally Posted by robrs2
Just for a note. Early Granada Scorpio are the same as 3 door ones. But you need to check the bearing size as there are two sizes.
Late Granada Scorpio are the same as 2wd saff.
Both are 5 stud though.
4 stud Scorpio 24v ones are different. Wider track and larger strut hole, there larger than the 4x4 struts.
From everything I can tell: 2wd strut is 45,5mm where it pokes into the knuckle, the 4x4 and Scorp are 2" or 50,8mm

Then there is the lowered balljoint fixing for better roll center when lowering the car and the pinch vs taper bll joint end.

So 3 door is a 3 door is a 3 door.
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Originally Posted by janvanv

Then there is the lowered balljoint fixing for better roll center when lowering the car and the pinch vs taper bll joint end.
Hi .. please explain what you mean by this ???
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Originally Posted by robrs2
Just for a note. Early Granada Scorpio are the same as 3 door ones. But you need to check the bearing size as there are two sizes.
Late Granada Scorpio are the same as 2wd saff.
Both are 5 stud though.
4 stud Scorpio 24v ones are different. Wider track and larger strut hole, there larger than the 4x4 struts.

Are you saying the early Granada Scorpio hubs give the same roll centre geometry as the 3 door ones? So that would mean the TCA fitment to the hub is also lower on the Granada Scorpio, which I find hard to imagine...
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