Ford Sierra/Sapphire/RS500 Cosworth This forum is for discussion of all things pertaining to the Ford Sierra Cosworth.

norris motor sport

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 24-06-2011, 05:09 PM
  #1  
cosmarks
Virgin
Thread Starter
 
cosmarks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: sheffield
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default norris motor sport

Just got saph cos back from karl at nms after live map and what a difference.Top notch
Old 24-06-2011, 05:11 PM
  #2  
rsmark86
PassionFord Post Whore!!
iTrader: (3)
 
rsmark86's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Bracknell
Posts: 5,686
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

spec please..... is it their live mapp stage3 on greens if so that is a wicked spec i had the same on my last escos
Old 24-06-2011, 05:13 PM
  #3  
cosmarks
Virgin
Thread Starter
 
cosmarks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: sheffield
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

on greys

Last edited by cosmarks; 24-06-2011 at 05:28 PM.
Old 24-06-2011, 05:14 PM
  #4  
rsmark86
PassionFord Post Whore!!
iTrader: (3)
 
rsmark86's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Bracknell
Posts: 5,686
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

wicked then 30psi +??? and is it t34??
Old 24-06-2011, 05:20 PM
  #5  
cosmarks
Virgin
Thread Starter
 
cosmarks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: sheffield
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

sorry pal got it on paper.Level 8 ecu 403s and o.48 t34.Boost mapped to peak 30 psi trailing to 25psi
Old 24-06-2011, 05:23 PM
  #6  
Rsmat
300+

iTrader: (2)
 
Rsmat's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: either at work or on way :)
Posts: 27,259
Received 583 Likes on 516 Posts
Default

Weldone mate.
Old 24-06-2011, 05:31 PM
  #7  
rsmark86
PassionFord Post Whore!!
iTrader: (3)
 
rsmark86's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Bracknell
Posts: 5,686
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

should be around 370bhp then mate and matching torque and very lively , bet its a hoot to drive now
Old 24-06-2011, 05:37 PM
  #8  
RSGARETHW
always working
iTrader: (3)
 
RSGARETHW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: warwickshire
Posts: 1,212
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

see your here as well matey lol
Old 24-06-2011, 05:55 PM
  #9  
cosmarks
Virgin
Thread Starter
 
cosmarks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: sheffield
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

oh everywhere me pal lol
Old 24-06-2011, 05:57 PM
  #10  
grayzo
grayzo
iTrader: (1)
 
grayzo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: bracknell
Posts: 489
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

good stuff just what i wanted to do with mine
Old 24-06-2011, 05:59 PM
  #11  
cosmarks
Virgin
Thread Starter
 
cosmarks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: sheffield
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Karl said 385 bhp with little more torque as he slighly turned boost down but to be honest it feels faster

Last edited by cosmarks; 25-06-2011 at 08:04 AM.
Old 24-06-2011, 08:38 PM
  #12  
bigluke200
Too many posts.. I need a life!!
iTrader: (3)
 
bigluke200's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 629
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Sorry to seem pessamistic but I don't see how a T34.48 at 25psi can flow 395bhp.

I should imagine it's a lovely punchy setup with fantastic midrange etc but with boost tailing off like that it'll never make that sort of power.

Boost held at high revs = power
Old 24-06-2011, 11:04 PM
  #13  
Rsmat
300+

iTrader: (2)
 
Rsmat's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: either at work or on way :)
Posts: 27,259
Received 583 Likes on 516 Posts
Default

Where abouts in sheffield are you mate,.
Old 25-06-2011, 08:58 AM
  #14  
J1mbo
B1mbo
iTrader: (1)
 
J1mbo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Peterborough
Posts: 14,986
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by bigluke200
Sorry to seem pessamistic but I don't see how a T34.48 at 25psi can flow 395bhp.

I should imagine it's a lovely punchy setup with fantastic midrange etc but with boost tailing off like that it'll never make that sort of power.

Boost held at high revs = power
depends if its std head and cams, if it is 370 is realistic
Old 25-06-2011, 09:13 AM
  #15  
tabetha
BANNED
BANNED
 
tabetha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: uk
Posts: 24,596
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

I wouldn't worry about the bhp, TORQUE makes for a better everyday car, no point chasing numbers like some do, and losing torque elsewhere.
A nice fat torquey curve will make it faster in everyday life/usage.
tabetha
Old 25-06-2011, 10:25 AM
  #16  
bigad4x4
I've found that life I needed.. It's HERE!!
 
bigad4x4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Worcsetershire
Posts: 1,048
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by bigluke200
Sorry to seem pessamistic but I don't see how a T34.48 at 25psi can flow 395bhp.

I should imagine it's a lovely punchy setup with fantastic midrange etc but with boost tailing off like that it'll never make that sort of power.

Boost held at high revs = power
How long have you been mapping cossies then? Also its 385 hp If you know Karl and Ollie then you will know they dont make numbers up to please people, think Karl can get a very good indication of hp from the mapping session and results of fuelling etc, Neil a friend of mine had a 4x4 saff t34-48 and made 391 hp and that was mapped by msd, every engine is different so numbers will always differ from one to the next
Old 25-06-2011, 11:17 AM
  #17  
Paul_RS
PassionFord Post Whore!!
iTrader: (4)
 
Paul_RS's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Bangor, Northern Ireland
Posts: 7,886
Received 35 Likes on 33 Posts
Default

They are top guys, they've done a lot of work to my mates cars.

Ollies sapphire is fucking mental lol
Old 25-06-2011, 11:52 AM
  #18  
bigluke200
Too many posts.. I need a life!!
iTrader: (3)
 
bigluke200's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 629
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by bigad4x4
How long have you been mapping cossies then? Also its 385 hp If you know Karl and Ollie then you will know they dont make numbers up to please people, think Karl can get a very good indication of hp from the mapping session and results of fuelling etc, Neil a friend of mine had a 4x4 saff t34-48 and made 391 hp and that was mapped by msd, every engine is different so numbers will always differ from one to the next


I don't profess for one second to be a cosworth expert, I was simply stating that I thought it unlikely that a T34.48@ 25psi would make 395bhp (Which is what you had on your post before you changed it at 9:04am this morning )

My 3 door had a NMS live map peaking at 32psi and then tailing off up the rev range (on a T34.63) with a ported head etc and it was explosive midrange but it wouldnt have made 395bhp due to the boost tail off.


I'm sure your mates car does make 391bhp but at what boost?

Edited to say: PS I'm not slating NMS' work either as I loved the drivability of the setup that I had

Last edited by bigluke200; 25-06-2011 at 11:56 AM.
Old 25-06-2011, 05:32 PM
  #19  
bigad4x4
I've found that life I needed.. It's HERE!!
 
bigad4x4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Worcsetershire
Posts: 1,048
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by bigluke200
I don't profess for one second to be a cosworth expert, I was simply stating that I thought it unlikely that a T34.48@ 25psi would make 395bhp (Which is what you had on your post before you changed it at 9:04am this morning )

My 3 door had a NMS live map peaking at 32psi and then tailing off up the rev range (on a T34.63) with a ported head etc and it was explosive midrange but it wouldnt have made 395bhp due to the boost tail off.


I'm sure your mates car does make 391bhp but at what boost?

Edited to say: PS I'm not slating NMS' work either as I loved the drivability of the setup that I had
Had on my post and changed it? As i said you could have to cars same set up same boost and two totally different figures you see it all the time, Neil has sold it now big will sold it for him however im not sure on boost as it was a little while ago so cant comment, im not one to chase numbers i tell everyone my saff is totally standard, its how it drives that counts i agree
Old 25-06-2011, 06:22 PM
  #20  
bigluke200
Too many posts.. I need a life!!
iTrader: (3)
 
bigluke200's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 629
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Apologies I meant cosmarks had changed his post.. It did say 395 last night
Old 25-06-2011, 06:30 PM
  #21  
tabetha
BANNED
BANNED
 
tabetha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: uk
Posts: 24,596
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

It don't matter who you are, "feeling" will only ever give an indication, rolling roads operated and calibrated correctly don't lie.
Personally I think the figure is too high for the boost quoted, and never been a fan of spikes of boost, or road mapping, but some like NMA are way better than certain others, personally I much prefer rolling road so will only ever use that method.
tabetha
Old 25-06-2011, 06:50 PM
  #22  
cosmarks
Virgin
Thread Starter
 
cosmarks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: sheffield
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

lol i must be lying then.Top and bottom of it it went in ok and came out brilliant so not really that arsed,cheers to others for other comments.And karl really is the dogs
Old 25-06-2011, 07:52 PM
  #23  
bigluke200
Too many posts.. I need a life!!
iTrader: (3)
 
bigluke200's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 629
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Glad you are happy mate
Old 26-06-2011, 03:24 PM
  #24  
cosmarks
Virgin
Thread Starter
 
cosmarks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: sheffield
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

cheers mate
Old 29-06-2011, 10:56 PM
  #25  
cra1g
cosworth
 
cra1g's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: sheffield
Posts: 42
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Nms been recomended to me. It sounds like its worth payin them a visit.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
bobsworth
Restorations, Rebuilds & Projects.
77
24-03-2016 09:30 PM
cossie362
Ford Sierra/Sapphire/RS500 Cosworth
4
11-10-2015 03:53 PM
stevecfrst1
Cars for Sale
1
30-09-2015 05:18 AM
marky_g
General Car Related Discussion.
4
12-09-2015 04:26 PM
dojj
General Car Related Discussion.
5
08-09-2015 08:31 AM



Quick Reply: norris motor sport



All times are GMT. The time now is 01:29 PM.