6 Degree rear beam-fitted and set up!

105epwr · 13-03-2010, 06:46 PM

Hi,thought i would share this with you guys,i fitted a scs rear beam through winter and had it set up there last sat and had it out today for the first time i cannot beleive its the same car!!!
on slight corners on roads wheres before im on/off power
now it can be held flat out through slight corners and feels very stable at higher speeds,and when the back breaks away it dont violently snap back the other way it just comes back in nicely now.
anyone considering this conversion its well worth it

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grcossie · 13-03-2010, 06:51 PM

I really want one of this

Ridgey · 13-03-2010, 09:19 PM

Just fitted one, got to sort my exhaust hangers then a setup. Looking forward to it.

tabetha · 13-03-2010, 09:22 PM

I would hope it would do something special for the "special" price, glad to see it does.
Got your 22mm arb on yet, or was this all done at same time ?, put the old arb on to see how much stability the 22mm gives even on a std beam, it's truly unreal.
tabetha

KSA-Cossie · 13-03-2010, 09:33 PM

Yup,i love mine too.

105epwr · 13-03-2010, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabetha

I would hope it would do something special for the "special" price, glad to see it does.
Got your 22mm arb on yet, or was this all done at same time ?, put the old arb on to see how much stability the 22mm gives even on a std beam, it's truly unreal.
tabetha

Hi mate,no ive not yet put this on i hope to do this next weekend,hope to see even more improvement!
then watch the diff shit its self!!!!

cheers

tabetha · 14-03-2010, 10:03 AM

I'll have to come over and have a gander, post up or pm me how it alters with the 22mm, thanks.
tabetha

Cragrat · 14-03-2010, 10:31 AM

so how `special` is the price ?

i have an idea though

Paul_RS · 14-03-2010, 01:46 PM

They are roughly £1000

I really need to get mine setup properly, i'll be arsed doing it some year

KSA-Cossie · 14-03-2010, 01:55 PM

One of the best things you can mod on a cossie imo

shaun_focus4x4 · 14-03-2010, 02:36 PM

pics?

tabetha · 14-03-2010, 06:09 PM

£1K, why not mod the arms with joints, same result, if you reposition pick ups at same time.
tabetha

Paul_RS · 14-03-2010, 06:19 PM

There a lot of work in the 6 degree beams, the entire arm is altered.

Cragrat · 14-03-2010, 08:19 PM

thats slightly less than i thought,is there a weight saving too ?

Mike Kerbey · 14-03-2010, 08:40 PM

good to hear it does the job! one of these beams is on my very long shopping list of bits lol maybe get one in the summer

105epwr · 14-03-2010, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabetha

I'll have to come over and have a gander, post up or pm me how it alters with the 22mm, thanks.
tabetha

more than welcome to come over,but will let you no anyway when i fit 22mm bar
cheers

105epwr · 14-03-2010, 09:14 PM

no weight saving,if anything prob slight heavier due to more metal!
theres alot of work involved with the hoop(diff carrier)aswell.
i saw the jigs used to fabricate these up to and theres a few man hrs there...
there doulbled skinned with seam welds to almost factory finish.
when a std beam is sat next to one there is alot of difference,the inner arms are at a complete different angle(more of a straight angle to its mounting point,wheres the std arms curve up to the mounting point,therefore completly changing the pivot point!
all good stuff

tabetha · 14-03-2010, 09:19 PM

It's the pivot point that is the problem, as std it is a semi trailing arm, compression of the suspension creates more camber, but also alters the toe.
Making the mount points parralel , then adjusting arms to suit keeps toe/and or where it is, vastly better than ford did, to be fair though ford had to use the parts bins due to cash constraints.
tabetha

Mike1 · 15-03-2010, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 105epwr

Hi,thought i would share this with you guys,i fitted a scs rear beam through winter and had it set up there last sat and had it out today for the first time i cannot beleive its the same car!!!
on slight corners on roads wheres before im on/off power
now it can be held flat out through slight corners and feels very stable at higher speeds,and when the back breaks away it dont violently snap back the other way it just comes back in nicely now.
anyone considering this conversion its well worth it

Makes quite a difference doesn't it! Especially noticable on bumpy roads

Mike Rainbird · 15-03-2010, 12:35 PM

This explains things

:
http://www.randbmotorsport.co.uk/sho...Suspension.pdf

tabetha · 15-03-2010, 05:38 PM

There's also a good book by FRED PUHN, How to make your car handle, me I just leave it Lotus's chassis engineers for ideas!!
tabetha

-==chunk==- · 16-03-2010, 02:48 PM

who can set the beams up cos my mate has one in his 3dr but its not set up

tabetha · 16-03-2010, 06:01 PM

Troy from Northampton Motorsport is very good, does all the corner weighting also if you have coilovers, and is very very good.
tabetha

Mike Rainbird · 16-03-2010, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -==chunk==-

who can set the beams up cos my mate has one in his 3dr but its not set up

Anywhere that has a good 4 wheel alignment set up. However, the Cossie is very sensitive to toe changes, so get your mate to PM me with how he intends to use the car and I will give you settings to suit, as it is these that are crucial

.

-==chunk==- · 16-03-2010, 08:43 PM

harvey fitted the beam a couple of years ago and he took it to a place at newcastle and they made a right arse of it!!! i heard there was a place in harrogate that does all the corner weighting but i forgot what they were called he just uses the car on the road

Cragrat · 17-03-2010, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -==chunk==-

harvey fitted the beam a couple of years ago and he took it to a place at newcastle and they made a right arse of it!!! i heard there was a place in harrogate that does all the corner weighting but i forgot what they were called he just uses the car on the road

HARROGATE...!! bloody hell man think,i am 5 mins away from there

Mike1 · 17-03-2010, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cragrat

HARROGATE...!! bloody hell man think,i am 5 mins away from there

Powerstation in Cheltenham can also do it but they are probably too far away from you.

Martin ( Budweis ) had his done at Chemix in Stourbridge I believe

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tabetha BANNED BANNED Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: uk Posts: 24,646 Rep Power: 0	I would hope it would do something special for the "special" price, glad to see it does. Got your 22mm arb on yet, or was this all done at same time ?, put the old arb on to see how much stability the 22mm gives even on a std beam, it's truly unreal. tabetha Last edited by tabetha; 13-03-2010 at 09:24 PM.

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tabetha BANNED BANNED Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: uk Posts: 24,646 Rep Power: 0	I'll have to come over and have a gander, post up or pm me how it alters with the 22mm, thanks. tabetha

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tabetha BANNED BANNED Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: uk Posts: 24,646 Rep Power: 0	£1K, why not mod the arms with joints, same result, if you reposition pick ups at same time. tabetha

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Paul_RS PassionFord Post Whore!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (4) Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangor, Northern Ireland Posts: 6,060 Rep Power: 14	There a lot of work in the 6 degree beams, the entire arm is altered. __________________

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Cragrat sit boo boo sit Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (4) Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: beats so big i`m stepping on leprachauns Posts: 5,986 Rep Power: 9	thats slightly less than i thought,is there a weight saving too ? __________________ D. world cruzerweight swingball champion

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Mike Kerbey Too many posts.. I need a life!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Banstead, Surrey Posts: 936 Rep Power: 5	good to hear it does the job! one of these beams is on my very long shopping list of bits lol maybe get one in the summer __________________ Got OCD? 450BHP YB Build thread...Voluntary donations welcome

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105epwr Too many posts.. I need a life!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: peterborough Posts: 546 Rep Power: 5	no weight saving,if anything prob slight heavier due to more metal! theres alot of work involved with the hoop(diff carrier)aswell. i saw the jigs used to fabricate these up to and theres a few man hrs there... there doulbled skinned with seam welds to almost factory finish. when a std beam is sat next to one there is alot of difference,the inner arms are at a complete different angle(more of a straight angle to its mounting point,wheres the std arms curve up to the mounting point,therefore completly changing the pivot point! all good stuff

14-03-2010, 09:19 PM	#18
tabetha BANNED BANNED Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: uk Posts: 24,646 Rep Power: 0	It's the pivot point that is the problem, as std it is a semi trailing arm, compression of the suspension creates more camber, but also alters the toe. Making the mount points parralel , then adjusting arms to suit keeps toe/and or where it is, vastly better than ford did, to be fair though ford had to use the parts bins due to cash constraints. tabetha

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Mike Rainbird Moderator Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (3) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Norwich Posts: 26,161 Rep Power: 35	This explains things : http://www.randbmotorsport.co.uk/sho...Suspension.pdf __________________ Mike Rainbird Sarcasm is just a free service I provide. http://www.rsnorfolk.co.uk/ Nordschleife, there's only two barriers to worry about - the ones on the left and the ones on the right .

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tabetha BANNED BANNED Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: uk Posts: 24,646 Rep Power: 0	There's also a good book by FRED PUHN, How to make your car handle, me I just leave it Lotus's chassis engineers for ideas!! tabetha

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-==chunk==- I'm Finding My Feet Here Now Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: cramlington northumberland Posts: 127 Rep Power: 7	who can set the beams up cos my mate has one in his 3dr but its not set up __________________

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tabetha BANNED BANNED Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: uk Posts: 24,646 Rep Power: 0	Troy from Northampton Motorsport is very good, does all the corner weighting also if you have coilovers, and is very very good. tabetha

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-==chunk==- I'm Finding My Feet Here Now Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: cramlington northumberland Posts: 127 Rep Power: 7	harvey fitted the beam a couple of years ago and he took it to a place at newcastle and they made a right arse of it!!! i heard there was a place in harrogate that does all the corner weighting but i forgot what they were called he just uses the car on the road __________________

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