Char1ie

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Anybody know if there's a non-power steering rack for the Cosworth? Or can I remove the power steering components safely from the standard rack?

And is there a competition quick rack available? Or kit to convert standard to quick?

Thanks,


Charlie

westus1

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2wd or 4wd?

tabetha

You can transplant the rack/gear into a non pas housing quite easy.
tabetha

Mike1

You did used to be able to get a quick rack ( non-PAS ) for the Sierra - not sure if the Cossie one is different - It was about 2.6 turns the one I had - I think that's maybe slightly slower than the Cossie PAS one ( unless it has lock limiters like some of the BMW racks )

SillyFezzaMk1

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you got any more info on this tab? I was hopingt o go non pas but couldnt find a manual quick rack....converting the internals sounds likea good idea...

Cheers
Dan

Char1ie

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Mine is 2WD by the way.

tabetha

That is what they did on the first btcc and then put a limiter on it to limit travel, just buy a rack from scrappies.
tabetha

Mad Matt

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RHD quick steering racks are just unpossible to find. All proper group A cosworth were LHD, some were converted, but fur sure you won't find a RHD quick steering rack. As said, just "do it yourself".

kennyA

I've had a new quick rack made by Titan Motorsport from scratch.

After taking a lot of measurements from my Escos, I discussed with Titan what I wanted. The new rack is fast, approx 1.8 turns. It will be used in conjunction with an electric motor, probably from Opel.

Unfortunately my testing this year in germany is delayed due to family illness.

I'll try to post up results when finished.

contact Titan Motorsports if you want more info. I have all the drawings there.


kenny.

ian sibbert

for a simple solution, why not fit a steering quickner?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1-5-1...mZ170260486284

goes inline on the column....

SillyFezzaMk1

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1:5 ratio dude...if you flinched you'd be in a hedge

Dan

Char1ie

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Actually it's not quicker steering I'm looking for. It's more that I want to get rid of the power steering. So Tabetha, you reckon I should use a non-power housing from a Sierra and transplant the gear and rack from my car into it.

Any idea what Sierra I should source from or are they all the same?



Thanks all,


Charlie

Mad Matt

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I think you would struggle with a quick steering rack and no power steering. Unless you have big arms heh

Mike1

I had a quick rack on my XR4i and 205 tyres - wasn't really bad at all once moving and I'm not particularly strong!

Quaife do a 2.8 kit -> http://www.quaife.co.uk/Ford-Sierra-...pinion-kit-1-8

Or Rallye Design http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/index.p...2qepf13sd4r4e6

I guess they might not suit yours though

Mad Matt

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As Tim and I pointed, the 2.8 ratio is just WORSE than the std ratio, what he needs is a 1.8 or lower ratio.

Mike1

I agree Matt - it's a 'slower' rack ratio but I Was just thinking of what he said here


Standard PAS is about 2.5 I believe; just thought a 2.7/2.8 is not too far removed and is a mannual rack

Mad Matt

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I think you should see with KennyA mate, because you won't come across a RHD quick steering rack, and if you do, it will cost you an eye lol. But if you decide to go LHD, then it would be easier

Char1ie

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Matt, take a moment to look at the info and links people have posted.

As already said in this thread, Quaife and Rally Design both offer a quick rack. Whether changing gear or fitting a whole new rack these are both RHD. So quit with the European nonsense.

Anyway, I think I'm going to remove the power steering from my original rack, and seal it up. I'll need to use a belt from a non-power steering Sierra.

Cheers all,


Charlie

markc777

Hi,
I have a rhd quick rack for a 3 door group a, not all Group a sierras were LHD as previously quoted. The likes of Jimmy Mcrae and Russel Brookes had full works RHD cars with the proper racks. There were only 20 or so of these racks made and they were not even listed as a 909 motorsport part. If you can find one expect to pay Ł1000 + .

Mark

Mad Matt

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Basically what I said :

SillyFezzaMk1

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Hi Kenny, what did that rack cost you?

I was building up my power steering bracket, pump etc.. yesterday and It weighs a ton all put together! Got to go...no questions...the electric pas option sounds good so need to look into it further.

Cheers
Dan

Touring Car Spares

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Charlie ,
Im going to guess that its because of the multiple pipe fractures youre experiencing ! If thats the case , DO NOT junk the PAS , all you need to do is to modify the rack where the 2 pipes go in to accept an Aeroquip fitting Dash 6 , this allows you to use durable and flexible pipe from the rack to the Pump , this avoids all the problems of the cracked pipe ( ive broken loads myself ) . Apologies if thats not the case tho , the OE PAS on the sierra is a great thing , allows very predictable drift and return in corner exits where the back end snaps on you ( clearways for expample ) you will hate it without !
Tony

Char1ie

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Thanks Tony.

Yesterday I raced at Brands for the first time without the power steering. The car felt good - heavy on the arms a little bit but the steering felt very direct. I prefer the car without power although the difference isn't massive. It's very heavy at standstill (obviously) but as soon as it's moving it feels fine.

Never had a cracked pipe but I split the pump to rack hose in a small shunt earlier in the year and since then have been leaning towards simplicity - less to go wrong, less weight, less to worry about. So now I've removed the pump, bottle, bracket and all pipes.


Charlie

joffy

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they used to have a quick rack for cossies in the Burton Power catalogue but there aint anything on their site about it if your still interested??

Char1ie

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Thanks Joffy. Any quicker on the rack and I think the steering would be too heavy. I'm pretty happy with it as is.

I managed to do a 180 coming out of Druids yesterday onto the grass and slid backwards down the hill with all four wheels locked and came to a halt at the bottom of the hill! Then rejoined after escaping from the mud. Lost a lap and a half and came last!

I blame oil on the track - and hope it wasn't lack of responsive steering!


Charlie

kennyA

Hello Dan

sorry I didn't see your post earlier.

From start to finish the rack took about 6 weeks to design and build. The cost was around Ł400 including the drawings. I'm now looking at getting a second rack made, this time in a Magnesium housing to save weight.

Other posts are correct regards going to a scrappies and finding a used part, you should probably save money, depends on how much profit the dealer wants to make. Not forgetting that it might need to be fixed before use.

cheers

Kenny.

markk

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i tried to use my old 3dr rally car with a non pas rack, was awful, the stress required runied the drive of the car, that was with wide 17" slicks, dont do it, you will regret it.

SillyFezzaMk1

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yeah I have driven a few sierras without power steering and its hard work....especially if you need to be a bit quick with the wheel... I'm not a big fella too so probs not for me :S

Dan

kennyA

I certainly wouldn't go non pas with 24/61 17 slicks, if I wasn't going electric or elec/hydraulic, then it would stay hydraulic.

It's a bit of work to convert, but my main objective is to save 12-15kg and get rid of one belt from the engine.

Mad Matt

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I will always remember Carlos Sainz face when he had to drive 1 and a half tarmac stage when he was with the Corolla WRC (or Escort, I don't remember), because he lost the PAS. God it did look he ran 3 times the distance between new york and las vegas without having a break

lotus1

On a slightly different note I have a PAS LHD Group A RS500 that was originally RHD. ( Martin's old 87 Rouse ANZ Sierra ) I would be grateful for any advice on what to do to convert it back to a PAS RHD rack for competition .

Also it is possible to get the steering column support panel ( under the dash) as a separate item

lotus1

just rolling this back up to see if I can get any help on this question

Char1ie

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I met an experienced mechanic last night who gave me the sensible answer that nobody else has been able to give me about why I shouldn't convert a PAS rack to manual: I'll probably break it.

Apparently the PAS rack is not designed to take much force from the wheel. Can you imagine if I broke a rack at high speed on the track? Hmmm. Dangerous.

Or maybe I should just go back to PAS.


Charlie

mushep

i like the sound of the this ?? can u expain more ? have u any pics ?? im getin fed up with PAS pipes now im on my 4th pipe and i still cant seem to get them to seal at the pump side

plzzzzzzzzzzzz help

FlashRS

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Hi, I run "corsa" electric power steering with a Quaife rack kit in a std non-powered rack, its fantastic. Its got a dash pod switch so you can make it easyier if you want. I do Tarmac Rallying in my 3 door and it made the car much better to drive!
Cheers

xr2man10

can you use the standard hubs to fit a quick rack?

nixon_2wd

Reviving this. FlashRS, could you explain more about your setup?

jonfoc

Take a standard non power rack and fit quaife internals. Adapt the electric corsa steering unit to fit. Speak to Mark at MK Motorsport he can guide you.