What rear beam?

miller3 · 17-08-2008, 07:01 PM

If you was to graft a new rear beam on to a cossie' What would you use ie' to accommodate wider back wheels and in terms of adjustment of suspension etc ? Mustang / 200sx / GTR ?

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cossie604 · 17-08-2008, 07:14 PM

I wonder if sommot like a modern bmw rear set up would work? Mainly made of alloy so its light, and i'd assume to have plenty of adjustments?

miller3 · 17-08-2008, 07:28 PM

Keep thinking about something like this to accommodate a good suspension set up

miller3 · 17-08-2008, 08:03 PM

Just looking at this http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SKYLINE-GTR-R3...ayphotohosting

charlie luciano · 17-08-2008, 09:32 PM

The rear beam to go for is an Ahmed Bayjoo jobbie

gonna throw one in my car next year

Luciano

miller3 · 17-08-2008, 09:32 PM

*EDIT* Thats never happend before lol.

But what if i want to fit some wide tyre's? Not going to get more than 215's with the standerd beam ?

charlie luciano · 17-08-2008, 09:33 PM

See above post

Luciano

miller3 · 17-08-2008, 09:37 PM

dito

mechanic28 · 17-08-2008, 09:52 PM

doug what you thinking of now man!!!you only just got her running

miller3 · 17-08-2008, 09:58 PM

Hey Doug

Well i want to get it painted over winter and just toying with ideas' So why not cut it up to fit a PROPER rear end

cossie604 · 17-08-2008, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mechanic28

doug what you thinking of now man!!!you only just got her running

hey dont put him off...he's willing to try sommot to save me the aggro of trying it first

Would be interesting to see what could be made to fit tho...plenty of cars out there to go round with a tape measure to quickly size up whats possible.

155lee · 17-08-2008, 11:25 PM

1 thing i have never heard about a saph is that they are good handling cars without adjustable rear beams etc.is that true?i have coilovers on my 2wd and proper poly bushes,its been cornerweighted but the damping has never been set.i think its ok,but that rear beam weighs loads and its basically the same as any other sierra,and when it travels up the wheels gain camber,that cant be a good thing!

cossie604 · 18-08-2008, 03:41 PM

^^ Hence why 2wd cossie's put out shite quarter mile times for their given power output.

mechanic28 · 18-08-2008, 05:25 PM

i feel a bajoo beam will be fine doug!!!!was you at ND?

miller3 · 18-08-2008, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cossie604

^^ Hence why 2wd cossie's put out shite quarter mile times for their given power output.

Exactly that mate' Yes it would be a lot of work but i recon it would be worth it' Just imagine some 255 / 265 Rears on a cos

Not at ND this year Doug but defo going next year

miller3 · 18-08-2008, 08:09 PM

Anyone got any thoughts ?

Charlie Chalk · 18-08-2008, 08:24 PM

I'd use a BMW beam.

miller3 · 18-08-2008, 08:37 PM

what one and why Rad ?

thepintoman1 · 18-08-2008, 08:39 PM

2.8 capri atlas
back in the day most of the top thunder saloons ran them

Charlie Chalk · 18-08-2008, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miller3

what one and why Rad ?

I was going to use a 325i beam in my S2 with an M3 diff. Strong, and a small beam, so lightweight.

cossie604 · 18-08-2008, 09:26 PM

Thats why BMW was the first to spring to my mind. Think the best bet would be to go to a local scrappy with a tape measure.
I dont think you'd gain owt in tyre width tho tbh....imo thats limited by the actual body and I dont think you get massive gains over 245 anyhows...go to far and you'll over shod it. Its the actual camber angle change that needs addressing more than tyre width.

miller3 · 18-08-2008, 10:14 PM

Like this ?

What is it that actualy makes cosies squat ?

RSCosworth · 19-08-2008, 01:14 AM

The spring is close to the inner hinge point of the suspension arm, making forces that act on the suspension "strong". Force x Arm = Momentum or something like that. Just a wild guess though.

Dan@Rapid-Ford · 19-08-2008, 09:20 PM

weight transfer makes them squat. Can be helped by increasing the damping on the rear shocks but that is just reducing suspension travel making it skitish.

unequal length arms make causes camber change and bumpsteer. Again limiting travel will stop it but causes the above.

I think every 2wd cossie would benifit from an uprated diff, transforms the handling IME

oohogwash1 · 19-08-2008, 10:55 PM

You might find the 300ZX rear end as an option, the diffs are strong and are used in a number of cross breeds here.... They are reasonably priced too.
My wife has one and they have loads of good stuff on them.

cossie604 · 19-08-2008, 11:00 PM

also on the jap side....what about a GTS Skyline arse end?

miller3 · 19-08-2008, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cossie604

also on the jap side....what about a GTS Skyline arse end?

Think i will have a look at my bro in laws one in the next few days

but you could get one for cheep too' and im sure they take loads of abuse.

Charlie Chalk · 19-08-2008, 11:20 PM

What do the RWD skyline boys do for uprated diffs? Anyone know, Maybe Steve (Stav) should be pointed in this thread direction...

miller3 · 19-08-2008, 11:35 PM

I have an ATB in mine at the moment and i know there is better diff's out there but its more the geometry i think that needs to be sorted

robrs2 · 20-08-2008, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cossie604

also on the jap side....what about a GTS Skyline arse end?

GTS and GTR Skyline are the same, apart from the hubs. GTR's are wider and made of alloy.

There is a Sierra XR4ti in the USA with a Supra rear end fitted in. Have a search on google

miller3 · 21-08-2008, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robrs2

GTS and GTR Skyline are the same, apart from the hubs. GTR's are wider and made of alloy.

There is a Sierra XR4ti in the USA with a Supra rear end fitted in. Have a search on google

You got a link anywhere? had a quick search but couldn't find anything.

Any more imput ?

Tev · 21-08-2008, 09:10 PM

Me n Mr C was talkin bout this the other day when workin on a friends 200sx, it looks like it could b a easy enough swap, the diffs will take a easy 400 bhp all day long n just for good measure they throw in oil coolers as standard

and the settings and addjustments that can be made is endless

miller3 · 21-08-2008, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tev

Me n Mr C was talkin bout this the other day when workin on a friends 200sx, it looks like it could b a easy enough swap, the diffs will take a easy 400 bhp all day long n just for good measure they throw in oil coolers as standard

and the settings and addjustments that can be made is endless

Didnt take any pics did you

Tev · 21-08-2008, 09:48 PM

No sorry, although i will b popin over next weekend will take the cam,

Charlie Chalk · 21-08-2008, 10:28 PM

I've got some pictures of 200sx's rear beams, Give me a sec will get them!

Charlie Chalk · 21-08-2008, 10:44 PM

Here you go

Tev · 21-08-2008, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie Chalk

Here you go

nice 1 fella,

it wont b a simple job fittin 1 but its gotta b cheaper than a group A rear beam with shed loads more adjustment, and its nissan so the parts wont have fookin cosworth tax added on

miller3 · 22-08-2008, 12:16 AM

Nice one radders

.. Thanks

Dan@Rapid-Ford · 22-08-2008, 02:06 PM

that looks easy.

How much would that 200sx rear end go for? I've got a P100 sat waiting for a rear end

Charlie Chalk · 22-08-2008, 05:19 PM

Not sure, But you can pick up S13's for peanuts these days, So i'm guessing fairly cheap!

Not sure what the parts cost, but there made by K-sport, Which have had a good feedback on quality etc.

17-08-2008, 07:28 PM	#3
miller3 PassionFord Post Whore!! 1990 Ford saphire cosworth Trader Score: (4) Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: rainham/kent Posts: 8,112 Rep Power: 14	Keep thinking about something like this to accommodate a good suspension set up __________________ www.mattlewismotorsportonline.co.uk NEW ONLINE SHOP http://www.passionford.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3849679#post3849679 Ronnie amis, sponsored by MOTORSPORT DEVELOPMENTS. Doug miller, sponsored by PUKKA PIES Last edited by miller3; 17-08-2008 at 07:31 PM.

17-08-2008, 08:03 PM	#4
miller3 PassionFord Post Whore!! 1990 Ford saphire cosworth Trader Score: (4) Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: rainham/kent Posts: 8,112 Rep Power: 14	Just looking at this http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SKYLINE-GTR-R3...ayphotohosting __________________ www.mattlewismotorsportonline.co.uk NEW ONLINE SHOP http://www.passionford.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3849679#post3849679 Ronnie amis, sponsored by MOTORSPORT DEVELOPMENTS. Doug miller, sponsored by PUKKA PIES

17-08-2008, 09:32 PM	#5
charlie luciano PassionFord Post Whore!! 2005 Ford Transit My Garage Trader Score: (3) Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Middlesex Posts: 9,007 Rep Power: 15	The rear beam to go for is an Ahmed Bayjoo jobbie gonna throw one in my car next year Luciano __________________ Middlesex RSOC's Front Man www.sccperformance.com www.madevelopments.com www.middx-rsoc.co.uk

17-08-2008, 09:32 PM	#6
miller3 PassionFord Post Whore!! 1990 Ford saphire cosworth Trader Score: (4) Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: rainham/kent Posts: 8,112 Rep Power: 14	EDIT Thats never happend before lol. But what if i want to fit some wide tyre's? Not going to get more than 215's with the standerd beam ? __________________ www.mattlewismotorsportonline.co.uk NEW ONLINE SHOP http://www.passionford.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3849679#post3849679 Ronnie amis, sponsored by MOTORSPORT DEVELOPMENTS. Doug miller, sponsored by PUKKA PIES Last edited by miller3; 17-08-2008 at 09:36 PM.

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17-08-2008, 07:14 PM	#2
cossie604 PassionFord Post Whore!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (2) Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Derby Posts: 4,694 Rep Power: 11	I wonder if sommot like a modern bmw rear set up would work? Mainly made of alloy so its light, and i'd assume to have plenty of adjustments?

17-08-2008, 09:37 PM	#8
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17-08-2008, 09:58 PM	#10
miller3 PassionFord Post Whore!! 1990 Ford saphire cosworth Trader Score: (4) Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: rainham/kent Posts: 8,112 Rep Power: 14	Hey Doug Well i want to get it painted over winter and just toying with ideas' So why not cut it up to fit a PROPER rear end __________________ www.mattlewismotorsportonline.co.uk NEW ONLINE SHOP http://www.passionford.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3849679#post3849679 Ronnie amis, sponsored by MOTORSPORT DEVELOPMENTS. Doug miller, sponsored by PUKKA PIES

17-08-2008, 11:25 PM	#12
155lee inverkeilor rs restorers 2010 Ford Focus Trader Score: (9) Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: inverkeilor scotland Posts: 2,847 Rep Power: 8	1 thing i have never heard about a saph is that they are good handling cars without adjustable rear beams etc.is that true?i have coilovers on my 2wd and proper poly bushes,its been cornerweighted but the damping has never been set.i think its ok,but that rear beam weighs loads and its basically the same as any other sierra,and when it travels up the wheels gain camber,that cant be a good thing!

18-08-2008, 03:41 PM	#13
cossie604 PassionFord Post Whore!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (2) Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Derby Posts: 4,694 Rep Power: 11	^^ Hence why 2wd cossie's put out shite quarter mile times for their given power output.

18-08-2008, 05:25 PM	#14
mechanic28 10K+ Poster!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (5) Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: london Posts: 13,363 Rep Power: 18	i feel a bajoo beam will be fine doug!!!!was you at ND? __________________ 416.1bhpSTORMTROOPER I am the real doug!

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miller3 PassionFord Post Whore!! 1990 Ford saphire cosworth Trader Score: (4) Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: rainham/kent Posts: 8,112 Rep Power: 14	Anyone got any thoughts ? __________________ www.mattlewismotorsportonline.co.uk NEW ONLINE SHOP http://www.passionford.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3849679#post3849679 Ronnie amis, sponsored by MOTORSPORT DEVELOPMENTS. Doug miller, sponsored by PUKKA PIES

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Charlie Chalk Unknown. Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ... Posts: 50,962 Rep Power: 59	I'd use a BMW beam. __________________ GE - 1D - T

18-08-2008, 08:37 PM	#18
miller3 PassionFord Post Whore!! 1990 Ford saphire cosworth Trader Score: (4) Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: rainham/kent Posts: 8,112 Rep Power: 14	what one and why Rad ? __________________ www.mattlewismotorsportonline.co.uk NEW ONLINE SHOP http://www.passionford.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3849679#post3849679 Ronnie amis, sponsored by MOTORSPORT DEVELOPMENTS. Doug miller, sponsored by PUKKA PIES

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thepintoman1 Regular Contributor Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 326 Rep Power: 5	2.8 capri atlas back in the day most of the top thunder saloons ran them

18-08-2008, 09:26 PM	#21
cossie604 PassionFord Post Whore!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (2) Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Derby Posts: 4,694 Rep Power: 11	Thats why BMW was the first to spring to my mind. Think the best bet would be to go to a local scrappy with a tape measure. I dont think you'd gain owt in tyre width tho tbh....imo thats limited by the actual body and I dont think you get massive gains over 245 anyhows...go to far and you'll over shod it. Its the actual camber angle change that needs addressing more than tyre width.

18-08-2008, 10:14 PM	#22
miller3 PassionFord Post Whore!! 1990 Ford saphire cosworth Trader Score: (4) Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: rainham/kent Posts: 8,112 Rep Power: 14	Like this ? What is it that actualy makes cosies squat ? __________________ www.mattlewismotorsportonline.co.uk NEW ONLINE SHOP http://www.passionford.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3849679#post3849679 Ronnie amis, sponsored by MOTORSPORT DEVELOPMENTS. Doug miller, sponsored by PUKKA PIES

19-08-2008, 01:14 AM	#23
RSCosworth Wahay!! I've lost my Virginity!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 62 Rep Power: 8	The spring is close to the inner hinge point of the suspension arm, making forces that act on the suspension "strong". Force x Arm = Momentum or something like that. Just a wild guess though. __________________ Picking up a new Fast Ford next weekend mint '88 with 411 RWHP, GT30, ext WG, launch control etc etc.

19-08-2008, 09:20 PM	#24
Dan@Rapid-Ford PassionFord Post Troll Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (5) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dunstable (Junction 9 or 11 of the M1) Posts: 3,007 Rep Power: 0	weight transfer makes them squat. Can be helped by increasing the damping on the rear shocks but that is just reducing suspension travel making it skitish. unequal length arms make causes camber change and bumpsteer. Again limiting travel will stop it but causes the above. I think every 2wd cossie would benifit from an uprated diff, transforms the handling IME

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oohogwash1 Regular Contributor Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 303 Rep Power: 5	You might find the 300ZX rear end as an option, the diffs are strong and are used in a number of cross breeds here.... They are reasonably priced too. My wife has one and they have loads of good stuff on them.

19-08-2008, 11:00 PM	#26
cossie604 PassionFord Post Whore!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (2) Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Derby Posts: 4,694 Rep Power: 11	also on the jap side....what about a GTS Skyline arse end?

19-08-2008, 11:20 PM	#28
Charlie Chalk Unknown. Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ... Posts: 50,962 Rep Power: 59	What do the RWD skyline boys do for uprated diffs? Anyone know, Maybe Steve (Stav) should be pointed in this thread direction... __________________ GE - 1D - T

19-08-2008, 11:35 PM	#29
miller3 PassionFord Post Whore!! 1990 Ford saphire cosworth Trader Score: (4) Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: rainham/kent Posts: 8,112 Rep Power: 14	I have an ATB in mine at the moment and i know there is better diff's out there but its more the geometry i think that needs to be sorted __________________ www.mattlewismotorsportonline.co.uk NEW ONLINE SHOP http://www.passionford.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3849679#post3849679 Ronnie amis, sponsored by MOTORSPORT DEVELOPMENTS. Doug miller, sponsored by PUKKA PIES

21-08-2008, 09:10 PM	#32
Tev PassionFord Post Troll Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (2) Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Coventry Posts: 2,909 Rep Power: 8	Me n Mr C was talkin bout this the other day when workin on a friends 200sx, it looks like it could b a easy enough swap, the diffs will take a easy 400 bhp all day long n just for good measure they throw in oil coolers as standard and the settings and addjustments that can be made is endless __________________

21-08-2008, 09:48 PM	#34
Tev PassionFord Post Troll Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (2) Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Coventry Posts: 2,909 Rep Power: 8	No sorry, although i will b popin over next weekend will take the cam, __________________

21-08-2008, 10:28 PM	#35
Charlie Chalk Unknown. Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ... Posts: 50,962 Rep Power: 59	I've got some pictures of 200sx's rear beams, Give me a sec will get them! __________________ GE - 1D - T

21-08-2008, 10:44 PM	#36
Charlie Chalk Unknown. Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ... Posts: 50,962 Rep Power: 59	Here you go __________________ GE - 1D - T

22-08-2008, 12:16 AM	#38
miller3 PassionFord Post Whore!! 1990 Ford saphire cosworth Trader Score: (4) Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: rainham/kent Posts: 8,112 Rep Power: 14	Nice one radders .. Thanks __________________ www.mattlewismotorsportonline.co.uk NEW ONLINE SHOP http://www.passionford.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3849679#post3849679 Ronnie amis, sponsored by MOTORSPORT DEVELOPMENTS. Doug miller, sponsored by PUKKA PIES

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Dan@Rapid-Ford PassionFord Post Troll Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (5) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dunstable (Junction 9 or 11 of the M1) Posts: 3,007 Rep Power: 0	that looks easy. How much would that 200sx rear end go for? I've got a P100 sat waiting for a rear end

22-08-2008, 05:19 PM	#40
Charlie Chalk Unknown. Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ... Posts: 50,962 Rep Power: 59	Not sure, But you can pick up S13's for peanuts these days, So i'm guessing fairly cheap! Not sure what the parts cost, but there made by K-sport, Which have had a good feedback on quality etc. __________________ GE - 1D - T

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