What rear beam? - Page 2

cossie604 · 22-08-2008, 07:14 PM

Before you know it we'll throw the towel in on the YB and be fitted skyline lumps in our cossie's

Have often briefly contemplated a completely different rear beam as the current one does have many flaws and the diff being about as strong as a soggy biscuit when proper power is being put through it all adds up to a package that needs removing completely. As long as teh track is the same then I cant see it being much of a problem doing th eswap. Chassis rails can easily be added to accomodate new mounting points and there are many companies out there that can make up a propshaft to suit. Hmm...got me thinking again also

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miller3 · 22-08-2008, 07:41 PM

That 200sx one dose look like it would not be that hard to fit at all

Tev · 22-08-2008, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie Chalk

Not sure, But you can pick up S13's for peanuts these days, So i'm guessing fairly cheap!

Not sure what the parts cost, but there made by K-sport, Which have had a good feedback on quality etc.

all those parts powder coated in the pictures r what we fitted to my m8s car, they r K-sport stuff, n they came to a grand total of £170 all in (shows how much traders rip cosworth owners off

)

the only problem is s13s r going back up in price as every1 breakin them, but still think u could get a whole car 4 less than a group A beam,

Tev · 24-08-2008, 10:28 AM

miller3 · 27-08-2008, 07:38 PM

Where would be the best place to get a 200sx rear beam then?

Tev · 27-08-2008, 07:57 PM

http://www.sxoc.co.uk/

miller3 · 04-10-2008, 06:34 PM

I keep thinking about this and i am picking a brand new saph shell up next weekend' Just been looking at Andy G's rear end on his focus too' I wonder what he would charge for that ?

Stakis · 19-01-2009, 09:32 PM

i think if someone can share photos of the modified beams they got, we can know much more about them. Who have adrenaline or ahmed beams and arms? please post photos. meassure arm lengths, etc

RWD_cossie_wil · 21-01-2009, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stakis

i think if someone can share photos of the modified beams they got, we can know much more about them. Who have adrenaline or ahmed beams and arms? please post photos. meassure arm lengths, etc

Have a look through this thread mate, you will need to register for an account, but worth it, it is a great site

RWD_cossie_wil · 21-01-2009, 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tev

That looks useless to me, all the diff oil would spill out under hard acceleration, and would allow dirt ingress as well

robrs2 · 22-01-2009, 07:51 PM

Its one of them new see through covers. So you can watch the gears turn as your driving!

capri-rs · 03-05-2009, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie Chalk

Here you go

did anyone try to offer it up under a sierra??

scotty4130 · 04-05-2009, 05:47 PM

Did dannyb not put a mustang back end into a saph??

purplemonster · 04-05-2009, 06:07 PM

nice picies

i was looking in to putting a kit car chasis (MK indy ) back end in to a project car before buying my puma,would be very light and a good setup but wasnt that cheap

i have no idea how to post pics sorry

Mike1 · 04-05-2009, 07:03 PM

200SX rear end looks nice and adjustable. Not really an option for me though as I don't have the skills and equipment to modify it all to fit.

The 6 degree rear ones are still a good option for people like me and I think should offer all the adjustability I need for a road car with the camber and toe adjustment.

Be interested to see if anyone gets a 200SX one fitted - I presume there's a much better choice of "drifting diffs" available as the SX is so popular with the Drift crowd.

I'm quite interested in trying the re-rated Viscous ones that CTS/Bara offer for the Sierra - anyone tried one out?

capri-rs · 04-05-2009, 08:00 PM

bought one of these today

will see if it fits or not this weekend

robrs2 · 04-05-2009, 11:43 PM

SX or Skyline and how much?

capri-rs · 05-05-2009, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robrs2

SX or Skyline and how much?

skyline r32 gtr
6oo£ complete

Mike1 · 05-05-2009, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by capri-rs

skyline r32 gtr
6oo£ complete

Are you going to try and make use of the rear-wheel steer? Or lock it out with a bar?

capri-rs · 05-05-2009, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike1

Are you going to try and make use of the rear-wheel steer? Or lock it out with a bar?

will see if it fits first but think i can say no to rear wheel steering

miller3 · 05-05-2009, 07:16 PM

whack some pics up here when you offer it up

capri-rs · 05-05-2009, 08:36 PM

will do that

robrs2 · 11-05-2009, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by capri-rs

skyline r32 gtr
6oo£ complete

Did some checking as i though it was not a gtr rear. You have an R33 GTST rear axle.

capri-rs · 12-05-2009, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robrs2

Did some checking as i though it was not a gtr rear. You have an R33 GTST rear axle.

yes the pic is a r33gtst only for illustrasion purpose

havent collected the beam and stuff yet,will have a go at itthis weekend

Doughnutter · 21-06-2009, 01:27 PM

Any news on how your getting on mate?

capri-rs · 21-06-2009, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doughnutter

Any news on how your getting on mate?

have been alone with the kids this week+ i had to restore a dynastarter for a 1926 morris cowley.
so i haven`t had any sparetime.

leaving for sunndalsøra tomorrow.will be gone for 14 days

but will try to get everything sorted before i leave for qatar

Mike1 · 21-06-2009, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan@Rapid-Ford

weight transfer makes them squat. Can be helped by increasing the damping on the rear shocks but that is just reducing suspension travel making it skitish.

unequal length arms make causes camber change and bumpsteer. Again limiting travel will stop it but causes the above.

I think every 2wd cossie would benifit from an uprated diff, transforms the handling IME

Which diff do you favour Dan?

Besides all the alternative rear ends mentioned, I've got to say that the established 6 degree types like Harvey and Danny B do make an amazing difference if you like really driving your car....especially on winding, bumpy roads. So much more confidence inspiring in my opinion...............

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tev

Me n Mr C was talkin bout this the other day when workin on a friends 200sx, it looks like it could b a easy enough swap, the diffs will take a easy 400 bhp all day long n just for good measure they throw in oil coolers as standard

and the settings and addjustments that can be made is endless

Nissan installed factory fit diff coolers on the S13 and S14 200SX road cars - they had viscous limited slip diffs. The cooling was enabled by a speed and temp switch.
I think on the S13 you had to be going over 6mph and have the diff oil over 130 deg C for it to open the stat to the cooler.
On the S14 type the speed factor was increased to 75mph.
Many people seem to bin them as they weren't used in ordinary driving. A few people wired up their cooler switches to a dash light to see if they ever utilised the cooler. A few of the drifters said they only came on after prolonged 'drift' sessions of 20 minutes and 60mph plus slides.
The s14 200SX viscous diff has a higher Nm rating as standard than the 7.5" Ford one. Approx 30Nm versus 24Nm.

bigbill · 22-06-2009, 01:18 PM

I think a s14 200sx rear axle would be the job. You can get all bolt on adjustable arms (I suggest driftworks), they have a very good design, are cheap to buy, you can bolt in skyline GTR diff and driveshafts to make them take lots of power and decent diffs are readily avaliable.

I personally would love to try one of them in a Sierra, I'd say it could transform the car.

Doughnutter · 27-09-2009, 02:59 AM

Any progress on the Skyline beam?

capri-rs · 27-09-2009, 05:42 AM

not really.have moved to the middle east.

the beam is in place and the chassis rails are finished tackwelded but missing the final welding and finish.the turrets for the rear struts are not finished either

KSA-Cossie · 27-09-2009, 02:57 PM

Fitted an adrenaline stage 2 beam to my saph and love it.

-beefy- · 03-12-2009, 01:34 AM

any updates on this ??

beef

Neil_M · 03-12-2009, 09:48 AM

Interesting, the Zoo Motorsport / Ahmed Rear Beams no good!??

Nash · 03-12-2009, 10:51 AM

The Ahmed beams and the Adrenaline beams are both very good. A few people havn't been happy with the ZOO beams due to build quality.

espacef1fan · 06-08-2011, 05:54 PM

So has anyone actually fitted the S13 rear suspension to a Sierra yet?

mark r · 07-08-2011, 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan@Rapid-Ford

weight transfer makes them squat. Can be helped by increasing the damping on the rear shocks but that is just reducing suspension travel making it skitish.

unequal length arms make causes camber change and bumpsteer. Again limiting travel will stop it but causes the above.

I think every 2wd cossie would benifit from an uprated diff, transforms the handling IME

best 1400 euros spent on my quaife atb completly transforms the handling along with new diff mount and solid alloy beam mounts

Marc sierra · 26-09-2011, 09:35 PM

Has anyone ever thought about fitting Mondeo mk1/mk2 (4x4?) rear suspension to the Sierra? The setup is basically the same as the Escort WRC, as that is what they copied when building the Escort WRC. I think if you'd make a sort of cradle, just like the WRC has, the arms and uprights from the Mondeo can be used. Of course the turrets will still need changing to fit the mcpherson struts.

Bikerjohn · 04-11-2011, 11:10 PM

If your drag racing why not fit and atlas and a 5 link back end??

Easy for spares, Plate

LSD's , diff ratio's and can be narrowed to keep wide tyres inside standard arches.

You also have No camber change that reduces traction on launching...
Only an Idea.....

John

22-08-2008, 07:41 PM	#42
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04-10-2008, 06:34 PM	#47
miller3 PassionFord Post Whore!! 1990 Ford saphire cosworth Trader Score: (4) Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: rainham/kent Posts: 8,112 Rep Power: 14	I keep thinking about this and i am picking a brand new saph shell up next weekend' Just been looking at Andy G's rear end on his focus too' I wonder what he would charge for that ? __________________ www.mattlewismotorsportonline.co.uk NEW ONLINE SHOP http://www.passionford.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3849679#post3849679 Ronnie amis, sponsored by MOTORSPORT DEVELOPMENTS. Doug miller, sponsored by PUKKA PIES

19-01-2009, 09:32 PM	#48
Stakis Regular Contributor Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (1) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lithuania Posts: 218 Rep Power: 0	i think if someone can share photos of the modified beams they got, we can know much more about them. Who have adrenaline or ahmed beams and arms? please post photos. meassure arm lengths, etc

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robrs2 I've found that life I needed.. It's HERE!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: May 2004 Location: Teesside Posts: 1,262 Rep Power: 9	Its one of them new see through covers. So you can watch the gears turn as your driving! __________________

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purplemonster RWD PUMA :) Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: UK Posts: 269 Rep Power: 7	nice picies i was looking in to putting a kit car chasis (MK indy ) back end in to a project car before buying my puma,would be very light and a good setup but wasnt that cheap i have no idea how to post pics sorry __________________ "AWESOME CAR IN THE MAKING" http://www.passionford.com/forum/vie...er=asc&start=0

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Mike1 PassionFord Post Troll Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Shrops Posts: 2,912 Rep Power: 11	200SX rear end looks nice and adjustable. Not really an option for me though as I don't have the skills and equipment to modify it all to fit. The 6 degree rear ones are still a good option for people like me and I think should offer all the adjustability I need for a road car with the camber and toe adjustment. Be interested to see if anyone gets a 200SX one fitted - I presume there's a much better choice of "drifting diffs" available as the SX is so popular with the Drift crowd. I'm quite interested in trying the re-rated Viscous ones that CTS/Bara offer for the Sierra - anyone tried one out?

04-05-2009, 08:00 PM	#56
capri-rs Too many posts.. I need a life!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: norway Posts: 800 Rep Power: 8	bought one of these today will see if it fits or not this weekend __________________ This is what a racing-car should be about, more power than grip! Tim Harvey. sapph rebuild

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robrs2 I've found that life I needed.. It's HERE!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: May 2004 Location: Teesside Posts: 1,262 Rep Power: 9	SX or Skyline and how much? __________________

05-05-2009, 07:16 PM	#61
miller3 PassionFord Post Whore!! 1990 Ford saphire cosworth Trader Score: (4) Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: rainham/kent Posts: 8,112 Rep Power: 14	whack some pics up here when you offer it up __________________ www.mattlewismotorsportonline.co.uk NEW ONLINE SHOP http://www.passionford.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3849679#post3849679 Ronnie amis, sponsored by MOTORSPORT DEVELOPMENTS. Doug miller, sponsored by PUKKA PIES

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capri-rs Too many posts.. I need a life!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: norway Posts: 800 Rep Power: 8	will do that __________________ This is what a racing-car should be about, more power than grip! Tim Harvey. sapph rebuild

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Doughnutter 15000 Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 31 Rep Power: 0	Any news on how your getting on mate? __________________

22-06-2009, 01:18 PM	#68
bigbill Regular Contributor Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 322 Rep Power: 9	I think a s14 200sx rear axle would be the job. You can get all bolt on adjustable arms (I suggest driftworks), they have a very good design, are cheap to buy, you can bolt in skyline GTR diff and driveshafts to make them take lots of power and decent diffs are readily avaliable. I personally would love to try one of them in a Sierra, I'd say it could transform the car.

27-09-2009, 02:59 AM	#69
Doughnutter 15000 Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 31 Rep Power: 0	Any progress on the Skyline beam? __________________

27-09-2009, 05:42 AM	#70
capri-rs Too many posts.. I need a life!! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: norway Posts: 800 Rep Power: 8	not really.have moved to the middle east. the beam is in place and the chassis rails are finished tackwelded but missing the final welding and finish.the turrets for the rear struts are not finished either __________________ This is what a racing-car should be about, more power than grip! Tim Harvey. sapph rebuild

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KSA-Cossie 20K+ Super Poster. Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (2) Join Date: May 2004 Location: Shutting down jap crap Posts: 23,544 Rep Power: 31	Fitted an adrenaline stage 2 beam to my saph and love it. __________________ cheeRS kev R/B T38,siemens blacks,500 intercooler,MSD closed loop,wasted spark,18" MO's,362mm discs,AP 6 pots,ALS & LC. Motorsport Developments 01253 508400

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Neil_M 15000 Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: UK Posts: 31 Rep Power: 0	Interesting, the Zoo Motorsport / Ahmed Rear Beams no good!??

03-12-2009, 10:51 AM	#74
Nash Cake lover! Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (3) Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Crewe Posts: 3,975 Rep Power: 10	The Ahmed beams and the Adrenaline beams are both very good. A few people havn't been happy with the ZOO beams due to build quality. __________________ 88 Saph - 455bhp & 438lb/ft 02 CTR - 248bhp & 184lb/ft

06-08-2011, 05:54 PM	#75
espacef1fan Virgin Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Korea, soon to be Fort Campbell... Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	So has anyone actually fitted the S13 rear suspension to a Sierra yet?

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Marc sierra I'm Finding My Feet Here Now Garage is empty, add now Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Netherlands Posts: 106 Rep Power: 6	Has anyone ever thought about fitting Mondeo mk1/mk2 (4x4?) rear suspension to the Sierra? The setup is basically the same as the Escort WRC, as that is what they copied when building the Escort WRC. I think if you'd make a sort of cradle, just like the WRC has, the arms and uprights from the Mondeo can be used. Of course the turrets will still need changing to fit the mcpherson struts. __________________ '90 Cosworth 4x4 '91 2.9 24v Ghia '92 2.9 12v GT (sold)

04-11-2011, 11:10 PM	#78
Bikerjohn Virgin 1994 Ford Fiesta My Garage Trader Score: (0) Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Isle Of Man Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	Another idea........ If your drag racing why not fit and atlas and a 5 link back end?? Easy for spares, Plate LSD's , diff ratio's and can be narrowed to keep wide tyres inside standard arches. You also have No camber change that reduces traction on launching... Only an Idea..... John

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