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which is better ? a complete rear setup for a 2wd in powerflex is going to cost me in around £180, but the complete thing in flo flex is only £75 on ebay, but has any one got any reports on these , there maybe rubbish !!

broos3

Cant really coment on the powerflex items yet, i will hopefully be getting a set for my e36 soon. The floflex items i have fitted to my cosworth are great. Cant realy fault the parts. Only problem was afew mistakes with my order.

In saying that, the exhaust mounts i bought from flow flex were poor. Looked like they had not set properly on the mould or wrong mix of materials or something. They had large cracks in them etc. The actuall suspention bushes were good though.

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i have bought a full car set for my last cos from superflex,they practically cost nothing,they came in crappy little bags with no identification on them so you had to figure out where they went,i bought powerflex for my car and the only differances i would say is cost,nice packaging and you get little packets of grease with them.and powerflex dont all come in the same colour,i bought a whole car kit and got purple,black and yellow.i was a bit pissed off about that!

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thanks for the info lads. ordered flo-flex there today, now to get them fitted

broos3

No bother. The fitting of the bushes is easy. Just ask if you get stuck. I use a trolley jack to press out the large old bushes from the rear beam (hoop). And the same to put the new poly items back in.

Bruce

mk2rstaff

be doing mine soon so will keep an eye on this

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everything fitted and back together again,not to bad to do at all, didnt get any time to test the car out , as it went straight to the paint shop

Dan@Rapid-Ford

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Hi Lee,

Just thought I'd let you know the reason they are different colour is because they use the colour to indicate the shore rating of the rubber - yellow soft - purple harder - black solid.

I've broken a fair few cars and when the cars have powerflex bushes they can be sold and reused but when they are deflex they are worn and distorted and only fit for the bin

Cheers
Daniel

tabetha

Just to add, I have had failures with POWERFLEX but NOT SUPERFLEX.
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Cant really coment on the powerflex items yet, i will hopefully be getting a set for my e36 soon. The floflex items i have fitted to my cosworth are great. Cant realy fault the parts. Only problem was afew mistakes with my order.

In saying that, the exhaust mounts i bought from flow flex were poor. Looked like they had not set properly on the mould or wrong mix of materials or something. They had large cracks in them etc. The actuall suspention bushes were good though.

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i have bought a full car set for my last cos from superflex,they practically cost nothing,they came in crappy little bags with no identification on them so you had to figure out where they went,i bought powerflex for my car and the only differances i would say is cost,nice packaging and you get little packets of grease with them.and powerflex dont all come in the same colour,i bought a whole car kit and got purple,black and yellow.i was a bit pissed off about that!

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No bother. The fitting of the bushes is easy. Just ask if you get stuck. I use a trolley jack to press out the large old bushes from the rear beam (hoop). And the same to put the new poly items back in.

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everything fitted and back together again,not to bad to do at all, didnt get any time to test the car out , as it went straight to the paint shop
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i know that as i contacted powerflex and thats what they told me,but i dont need to know that a purple bush is harder than a yellow bush,i just wanted them all 1 colour,it doesnt matter what hardness they are as they only fit in 1 place anyway.polyurethane is surely polyurethane and if you are only buying it for a cheap upgradce because the rubber bush is fooked you wont be able to tell if the bush is hard or soft.

tabetha

It matters VERY much what hardness it is, depending oin where it is going as this material is easily capable of transmitting shed loads of vibration.
Poly is NOT Poly as you can add different chemicals to it to get different results, the stuff comes in containers of varying sizes, my mate uses 205 GALLON drums, the shore/hardness rating is already fixed.
The important thing when doing bushes is the CURING, it too much of certain chemicals are added and it cures to quick it will be weak for example.
It is not a hard material to use when you know how, both these companies are good, but I say why pay more when you don't need to ?
tabetha

Dan@Rapid-Ford

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So, if its only to replace a fooked bush and it doesn't matter about if its hard or soft (which affects the performance of the bush due to the compound) how come it matters about the colour

I've got some used bushes PowerFlex and Deflex that I'll picture later so people can see the difference once they wear.

Ridgey

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For Performance, FIT and FINISH, you'd always have to go for Powerflex.

Changed whatever shit (Deflex/flo flex) was on my Saff to powerflex as soon as i bought it. No comparison on the finish quality of the products.

Better fitting and design would suggest better performance if they are all similar properties of polymer.
Which i doubt, as there are hundreds of compound formulas for various performing polyurethane mixtures.

tabetha

If you want the ultimate performance then don't go to either.
SUPERFLEX, has been around in aus for many years, and it is tried and tested in what must be some of the harshest environments on earth the outback, where breakdowns cost lives.
Colour is only the colour that is ADDED by the maker, as the natural colour is a milky white, some use different colours to denote hardness but others don't.
You can even make your own very easily, any colour you want as well, moulds can be made from loads of things, as the material does not readily bond to anything.
Basic poly is basic poly, there is but a few not hundreds, they become hundreds and thousands when mixed differently.
The colour has NO bearing on performance.
You can buy very small quantities for diy use, and not very expensive either.
The point of a BUSH is to allow movement depending on where fitted, and to CUSHION the NVH, the harder the bush, the more the NVH, it is that simple, harder will last longer but so will any NVH.
Each bush manufacturer has thier own idea of how hard they should be.
Whatever make you choose it will be a vast improvement on std bushes, that is for sure.
Anyone who has seen GLADIATOR, BATMAN etc has seen poly props made in Norfolk, currently he is making practice claymores(AP mines) for the aussies, has recently finished hand grenades for war films, stacked out with work and these are all poly.
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Ridgey

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Basic poly is poly !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ohh my GOD.

Poly stands for polymer, there are hundreds of thousands of polymers used for thousands of different applications.

But just going back to Polyurethane, which is a polymer with the group -NH.CO.O-
This is used for many varying applications, long chain molecules have different mechanical properties to short chain molecules. When a polymer is synthesised (polyimerization) the conditions and reactants dictate the length of chain and structure. You will not even have all the same molecules in your product, there will be a normal distribution of Polyurethane chain lengths in the final product.

The way i see it the manufacture of the 'poly' is critical.

155lee

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i wanted my bushes all the same colour as it looks nice when everything matches.and i hate yellow.i wanted a purple set and was told thats what i would get.if its just a dye the manufacturers put in when making it then surely its not hard to make them all 1 colour.i know it matters how hard a certain bush is but the bushes are all different and only fit on a certain part of the car so they dont have to be different colours to denote hardness,as i personally dont need to know or care as im sure the company im buying from have done their research and testing and have decided how hard or soft a paticular bush needs to be before going to market with them.as for cheaper bushes i have never heard of anybody having a problem with any poly bush,cheap or expensive.

Dan@Rapid-Ford

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I've taken some pics of the bushes I've got off my cars

Deflex bushes off my 3door absolute shit car wandered all over was terrible to drive, not sure how long they've been on there





Powerflex after about 2.5 years on my escort but at least 2 years on my old saff before IIRC

You can see the sleeve has been pulled slightly whilst they have been on the Escort, this is my fault as the caster settings were far from perfect because I've gone wide track on the front and the ARB was being pulled outwards which has started to wear the bush I've now changed to comp struts so will use these on another car.




and then compare the design of them




I know which ones I'd fit to my car.

dojj

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10 years for powerflex in at least 3 different cars and still goign strong
2 years for deflex in my mates car and shagged to absolute shit and replaced with my 10 year old powerflex ones

it's like anything in life really, you have to figure out why somethings are priced higher than others and other than tabetha, no one i have known has had anything other than positive things to say about powerflex

ontheway

i actually laughed at that love it

COCHYN

Yeah, Flo Flex all the way.....

BRAMMER

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Floflex, deflex what ever they are called but based in Rhyl they are pure shite and would put their product on anything - shit service, customer service and product.

Everything they make fails

Rollin Rides

Brought flowflex and they didnt even make it on my car they were so shit.... Back to the one you no Powerflex all the way

SteveB

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I'm presuming then that Deflex have reappeared now as FloFlex???

busa bob

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i used flo flex orange shit car handled worse than when knackered standard bushes were on..Bought POWERFLEX now and difference is INSTANT and 100 times better

POWERFLEX all day without shadow of a doubt, no matter how much more they cost

cozmeister

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Just my 10p, I did have flo-flex on the front of my Saff, and was a vast improvement on the knackered rubber ones. Replaced them with Powerflex all round and that made a 100% improvement on the flo-flex ones.

Only thing Powerflex don't do (which I think they should) is the rear spring cup bushes, which flo-flex do actually make.

opposite lock

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I fancy swapping my deflex,s over now lol but i will say i,ve had no issues but maybe could do with some extra solidness feel . My old xr2 responded awsome to superflex

DAN400

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i ve had no problems or any off my mates cars with flo flex,
although my car has been off the road for the past year

AJC

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did you also change the rear arm bushes or everything but?

cozmeister

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My humble understanding is that the only ones at the rear that need to be changed are for the anti-roll bar, and the beam - the ones in the semi trailing arms should be left alone.

AJC

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yes, thats true, GGR have re produced a replica bush that is far superior to any poly to use in rear arms, i've just fit a full set, poly the ARB and main beam buhes only

sierrsteve1980

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I was warned off fitting the flo-flex stuff, so i sold it all on. Powerflex is the way i am gonna go.

DAN400

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the front end was already done with superflex or powerflex, then i did the rear end, i changed everything

WongRS

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i have flow-flex on mine, cant compare them to any other poly's, as these are the only ones ive had, but they where a great improvement on the knackered standard items, and are still fine 4 years on.

tabetha

"superior" in what way, price ?, for less than 1/10 the cost you could just drift a cassette bearing in each end.
I've had over the years deflex fail, the same way as powerflex failed for me, but deflex have never tried to sell me the wrong product for a car that didn't fit being the wrong size, was a rear arb on another ford, then gave me abuse when I told them.
The only bush I have 100% faith in is Pro Sport, or as it is called over here Superflex, australian made and tested in the outback where a failure can cost a life.
tabetha

Char1ie

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Another vote for Powerflex - they have a good reputation and I have also removed them from a Sapph after a few years use and found them in near perfect condition.

Charlie

Paul_RS

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How did you find the new GGR bushes mate? Good fit? Nice tight drive etc?

Thanasis

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anyone have test these ?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Sierr...item3aa58a29c4

cossynut2

Agree with you Tabetha the Aussie made ones are spot on, my Brother was involved in making the original moulds and the R&D on them in the factory in Brisbane. They are used on most of the Aussie performance cars and the V8 Touring cars with great success.

Adam-M

I've used flo-flex for a few years now and can't fault them, always been a good fit and seem to last long even after I've stripped a car with them that got severe abuse I'd still use the bushes again.

I've got duraflex cheapos on my dohc and powerflex on the cossie and wouldn't say one was better than the other tbh.

Cossy Mike

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Haribo would make a better bush than Flo flex, utter shite, I've seen a full set on the back end of an RST and you could grab the back wheel on the ramps and move the whole thing around.

I've also seen the guy involved in a full on confrontation at Ford Fair a couple of years ago from someone who I guess had bought his stuff