Sideways_Sierra

hi folks, someone will knows this, someone on driftworks.com does, but wont share the secret.

Does anyone know what to do, or use, to gain more steering lock on a saff? prefferably 2wd cos

Going to see what I can do with the old cos, see if its good enough before i bin it and go buy jap

the drifting bug has bitten, so wonna try n get another cossie on the drift scene


any helps chaps?

Damocos

Use a power rack off a Granny cos pipes will bolt into the rack and then just swap the track rod arms over and voila...!!! More lock

foreigneRS

doesn't a cossie rack just have limiters on the end that you can remove?

jaimesdna

iTrader: (3)

isn't the anti roll bar a problem though

Sideways_Sierra

cheers fella, does it matter what year granny cos? the 24 valve mk3 shape, around a H plate ?


nor sure about the roll bar m8

Tev

iTrader: (2)

Pm Mr C on here he has a solutin 2 this problem, im sure hes runnin a Granny rack, hes usin it on his drift car

Damocos

Have used both on my saff, from a H plater and a M too... Only downside is if ya got quite wide wheels they may catch the inner arches on full lock

Sideways_Sierra

Mr C has a drift sierra... please introduce yourself fella

Damo, got some 17x7's on her at the mo, cheaper tyres

jeek

Im also looking into this at them moment for my drifty saph!

Does anyone know how much extra it gives?

Damocos

Jeek mate, when Mark had ya car b4 you it was running a standard 2wd crossmember and sierra pas rack so not sure why he changed it over to the 4x4 crossmember that i assume you still got on it now...? So on yours it will deffo give ya more lock than the 4x4 rack you got at present

jeek

OK cool ! cheers for that!

Got one lying around too!

robrs2

I used xr4x4 hubs with the Dohc power rack and that gave enough lock for the wheels to start hitting the chassis rail.

If you want more lock then your going to have to fit adjustable TCA's and top mounts. Then you will be able to widen the front track size to enable the wheel to turn further before hitting the chassis. You may need to fit compression struts if the wheel starts hitting the ARB.

Stavros

Gotta say, though its not great on a Sierra, you can be fully competitive even in competition, Eurodrift for deffo, with the standard amount of lock.
No point doing the usual trick of spending a fortune on mods for no reason.

Winning in drifting isnt about angle, its about speed and precision, so you gotta be at quite a high level before the average amount of lock is whats killing your chances.
You adapt your driving to your car, and TBH if you always at that much an angle your out of lock and spinning out youd not be going very fast and wouldnt do too well in the knockout section anyhow.

foreigneRS

the sierras were holding their own at the gatebil meet on saturday

pics (and maybe vids) to follow

robrs2

The rear suspension is what lets it down more than the amount of lock.

foreigneRS

there was a 3 door at gatebil with solid rear axle and v8 power that wasn't bad

Sideways_Sierra

What is that black 3 door running in terms of front steering?


yeah could say its down to the driver etc, but then the japs have more steering out of the box, so may well as go for jap if its a case of give up and lump with what ya got

robrs2

Most jap cars need to be altered to gain the extra lock, but on most its an easy job.

jeek

this is true but back in the early days of drifting it wouldnt have been as easy! Its only easy now after years of R+D . as now you can buy of the shelf kits for peanuts! If we percevier with the sierras then this would oneday become true aswell!

At the start of the year there was only my Sierra in Eurodrift now there are three 24v sierras competing, all three of us are trying new things and finding out what the results are and then sharing it with each other. Not sure why there are no turbo's cosworth up for it. I have never understood why more fordies arent into drifting.

robrs2

I try and keep breaking it
Just got the new engine in, fitted a BOB

Sideways_Sierra

Well I would be up for it in me saff cos, but gonna try and get more steering first, then beef up the engine and suspension

any of you guys got abs on your motors? any problem with it affecting your drifting ?

robrs2

ABS makes no differance. And more lock doesn't make you drift any better. Just get some practice in

jeek

Abs can be an issue when you spin and try to brake while going backwards! It doesnt really enjoy that!

dojj

iTrader: (3)

the granada rack is the same as the sierra rack, just with longer arms on it
so you don't actually get any better angle because if you put the longer arms on you have to adjust the tracking to get the wheels to pint in the right dirrections otherwise your straight ahead steering and trackign will be miles out

the problem is the chassis rails and the arb getting in the way, if you put anything wider than 205's on you'll get it fouling all over the place

i ran 205/50/16's on mine and they were too big for teh arches and caught on both the arb AND the inner wing at the front and wore that bit away

Sideways_Sierra

get plenty of that mate, just gotta stick me greens in now, to leg it from old bill

Sideways_Sierra

Had an idea the other night...

.... how about moving the whole hub assembly itself outwards, i.e. so the face of the hub sits further out of the car, so widenening the front track.

Then make up custom Arb mounts, TCA and track rod arms.


Would this make for better steering angle? in theory would provide more steering travel, then re turret/tub the strut and fix the strut top in the desired location with the modded hub location , so the wheel wouldnt hit the inner arch


anyone have any progressions or bullets to shoot this down? or something ive forgotten?

robrs2

Just fit adjustable top mounts, adjustable TCA's and compression struts. Then you will be able to increase the front track with.
I use xr4x4 front hubs as there about 3/4" wider track than the others.

Remko GT

I think not many Fords are into drifting (yet) because basically the Japs started the real drifing scene long before we in the west even realized you can take any corner sideways and make an art out of it. Also, let's face it, the Sierra (or any other '80's/'90's RWD Ford for that matter) doesn't have the best suspension set-up. Don't get me wrong, I love my Sierras but I know the weak points of the car.
I also suspect the high revs the jap cars make. I bet it helps sustaining drifts not having to shift a 6k rpm. (or 7k?? for Cossies)

Sideways_Sierra

how do you fill up the drive shaft hole ?!

yeah sierra's are a bit dated and the so called, underdog, compared to the japs, but thats more reason to do it!

foreigneRS

these fellas were doing pretty well at gatebil last weekend

dojj

iTrader: (3)

drill another hole in the crossmember further out for the inner tca to sit in

job done

Damocos

When i use the granny racks i use sierra steering arms cos they are shorter 2wd cossies aint got as much lock as standard sierras and grannys so thats the difference.

dojj

iTrader: (3)

but you can bolt a normal sierra/granada rack onto either and it still works the same way and you still need to get the tracking sorted so nothing special in that respect

robrs2

Which hole?

As for the rack. I'm sure the 2wd cossie rack has almost the same travel as the standard racks. But it check i'll measure some up this week.

I've just got the front suspension back on, so i will get some pics up of the amount of lock i'm getting soon.

Sideways_Sierra

The hole with the 4x4 front hubs ? Shaft goes through the hub yes? hub nut etc? as per FWD cars?


Photos would be cool

robrs2

The 4x4 hubs just have the driveshafts removed from the cv joint.

Just checked the amount of lock since fitting a 2wd cossie rack, and its poo. The old Dohc one would get the wheels touching the chassis rails.

I'm going to have a look at what is fitted to limit the rack movment. I know the 4x4 rack has a steel block in one end. Not sure if the 2wd one is the same.

Also there is only 1/4" of thread left screwed into the track rod end, not good. I hope the Scorpio tie rods are longer and fit.

Sideways_Sierra

Be good if you post it up,


Im not on here to let someone else do all the donkey work, then go out and work off the results, but if someone has good ideas, then be good to hear them, make them work etc

dojj

iTrader: (3)

what do you want to do though?
the simplest way is like someoe has already done here and drill the tca holes in the crossmember further out
then use adjustable top mounts
if you don't want to drill the crossmember then just buy granada tca's which are 12mm longer and fit them to give you a bit more out at the bottom

robrs2
with only 1/2" worth of thread, the smallest knock could see you loosing it totaly

go and find a granada rack and see what you can do with it, just fit the whole rack and be done with it rather than swapping the ends around

unles you've got a 4wd crossmember, then you'll need to keep the 4wd rack

robrs2

Done some checking today.

I have a 2wd Cossie rack fitted since converting the car to RHD. This has a lot less lock that with the LHD Dohc rack.

I added 1/4" spacers to each end of the rack at the knuckle joint. This added some extra lock but still not enough.
With one knuckle joint completly unscrewed and full lock on. The tyre would almost touch the chassis.
Just a note here, my TCA's are extended by over 1/2" so standard TCA's would have the wheel touching the chassis.

So the rack needs to extend about 14cm out the end of the rack to get the full possible lock. As standard the 2wd Cossie rack olny extends 11.5cm. A 2.5cm adapter would need to be made to allow for this extra movment.

More checking and i found this.
Measuring the rack it is 72cm long from joint to joint on the Cossie rack which is also the same as the Dohc and the 4x4 XR type racks.
But the amount the rack extends is different.
The Dohc extends 14cm. Just the amount that is needed.



The 4x4 rack extends 13.5cm.




One other thing is that if 4x4 track rod arms are used on the Dohc rack then you can gain an extra .5cm each side due to the knuckle joints being machined differently
Dohc is machined flush to the end of the thread.



The 4x4 ends and the 2wd cossie ones have a step machined on.



Hope this is of some help. I now need to get a Dohc power rack

Sideways_Sierra

thanks very much for that

i have a complete 1993 dohc car sitting outside my workshop, so gonna nick the rack off it now

see how that goes, then as dojj says, lengthen the TCA and go with adj top mounts